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Old 07-25-2002, 11:44 PM   #1
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Default Installed My GB White Gauges (Pics)

Okay, I threw caution to the wind and thought "What the hell, you only go around once". So I installed the white faces. Installation was pretty straightforward, without too much trouble. Anyway, here's a couple of shots, so you can get an idea of what they look like installed. No, they weren't exactly what I was hoping for (I liked the Impreza gauges that were shown as an example), but yes, they are white faced gauges, and I think they came out pretty nice. Until something better comes along, I'll live with them.

First pic is in the garage after dark, holding the drop light, and using the flash.

Second shot is outside, with the shutter speed adjusted to allow more light into the shot, so you get a better representation of what they really look like. It's pretty close. Keep in mind, the red light is the brake light, so obviously the tint/color is slightly off, but you get the idea. (Hope this works...)



I put the pictures in webshots, but I'm not sure I can insert them here. Can anybody see them, or at least put them somewhere so everybody can? Thanks.

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Old 07-26-2002, 02:07 AM   #2
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nope, nothing's showin' . i wanna see if b4 i decide to either put it on or leave the gauges alone
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Old 07-26-2002, 02:20 AM   #3
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Default Everything looks fine

Well, I can see the shots just fine on my end...hmm.

Looks pretty good, however it's just too bad that it's missing the 5mph incrementals and km/h on the speedo. <sigh>

Any tips on the install? How did you find the gauges fit over the needles?

Say, is there anyway to make this setup glow red...by switching the bulbs? (or is the colour a function of the reflective paint used for the markings?). Not a big deal, I just like the red look better.

Thanks for posting the shots!

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Old 07-26-2002, 05:12 AM   #4
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Old 07-26-2002, 06:05 AM   #5
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Here's the links, until I or someone smarter than me does it properly. http://community.webshots.com/photo/...44830738XcnCLu
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...44830868ZZzBeM
I've got to get to work right now, I'll post some comments/tips later today when I get home. I pulled the needles to do the install. And I wasn't paying much attention, but I think the green coloring just comes from the little rubber booties over the bulbs. I suppose you could replace them with red ones.

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Old 07-26-2002, 06:16 AM   #6
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Originally posted by richeich
Here's the links, until I or someone smarter than me does it properly. http://community.webshots.com/photo/...44830738XcnCLu
http://community.webshots.com/photo/...44830868ZZzBeM
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That's what those links give me...

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Old 07-26-2002, 06:23 AM   #7
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Copy the shortcuts, paste into a new browser window, and you should be good to go.
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Old 07-26-2002, 06:24 AM   #8
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Initially I linked to a location in webshots that was my editing area, and I was logged in. I edited my post to show links to what I thought was a public viewing area. I'm not logged into webshots right now, and did a search for my username, and found them. I really thought they'd show up. God, it's too early for this... and I'm a dumba$$.
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Old 07-26-2002, 11:23 AM   #9
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Question White faced gauges

I ordered a set for my 02 Forester and was wondering about them. I really want the white faces in the daytime but I like the look of my stock gauges at night. It looks as though the night view of your new gauge faces is more of a tannish or dark beige color or is this just the lighting you used? Also I don't want to pull off the needles. Can a person just undo the surrounds and glass of the original gauges and leave the gauges in place and work on installing the white-faced gauges?
I think you did a very good install. I really like the white faced picture.
let us know all the particulars of your install!
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Old 07-26-2002, 07:40 PM   #10
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It looks as though the night view of your new gauge faces is more of a tannish or dark beige color or is this just the lighting you used?
The tint in the picture may not be quite right, but it's not very wrong. They do indeed have a bit of an odd color to them. Sort of a beige color. I'm not sure why that is, and I may look to see what the bulb colors are that illuminate the front of the instrument cluster. If they've got a green bootie, or some kind of diffuser, I may remove it to see if they get more of a natural white color to them.

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Can a person just undo the surrounds and glass of the original gauges and leave the gauges in place and work on installing the white-faced gauges?
The instructions say you can leave the pointers on, but you'd have to cut a large enough circle in the overlays to slip over the needles. I'm afraid it might look pretty bad.

The fuel and temp gauges are both fine. They are accurate and seem to be working just fine. Interesting enough, when I pulled those pointers, they stayed attached to the shaft, and the whole thing came out together.

The speedometer pointer came off properly, right off the shaft. It works fine, but I somehow managed to miss the setting when I re-installed it. It seemed quite a bit off, so I measured today using mile-markers. At 60 mph, it shows 66mph. Obviously too big of an error to live with. I'll have to get back in there and correct it. That's no biggie.

Now the tachometer... The shaft came out with the pointer, and this may be a problem. When I went to re-install it, it was somewhat stubborn and it felt 'different' than the others had. I got it back in there, and it's accurate. (My borla headers developed a crack last week, and buzzed at exactly 2500 rpm on coastdown. After the gauge install, it was showing 2600 rpm. Good enough for me. I had the cracks welded today, so no more reference buzz.) Anyway, here's the bitch. The meter movement has a slight bit of jerkiness to it. I must've tried that thing about 50 different times, and couldn't get it to smooth out. I don't know if that's just a natural result of the shaft coming out, instead of just the pointer, or maybe I damaged the jewels (or whatever movement mechanism they have in there) by not getting it right the first time. I'm hoping with time it will smooth back out. Maybe some vibration will work out any binding it has. After just one day, I don't really notice it, since I don't stare at the tach while I'm driving. I haven't looked down yet and noticed any huge error, so it's not that bad. I suppose if I wanted to I could get a gauge cluster out of a wreck and steal the tach mechanism out of it. I'll watch it and see how it goes.

Removal and installation of the gauge cluster is pretty straighforward. I'd never done anything with the cluster in this car, and I had it out within 8-10 minutes. Putting it back in requires holding your mouth right while you reconnect the harnesses, but it's still not too bad.

I hope this helps some. Sorry I didn't take any pictures during the procedure. The speedometer issue is a nuisance, but should be easily fixed. The tach situation is somewhat irritating, and I may pursue it further, but I was surprised today how I really didn't notice it while driving.

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Old 07-28-2002, 02:45 PM   #11
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Exclamation White -faced gauges

Here is my plan...
(I don't have the gauge overlay yet but it's only been a week).
I plan on getting the black surround and the glass off the cluster, cutting a needle hole in the overlay big enough to slip over the needles wihout actually removing the cluster or needles, buttoning it up and calling it quits. That's if I deem the overlay good enough to install. But I've been lusting after white gauges for awhile and the indiglo gauges since I saw them in my wife's Sebring Convertible.
Do you think this is doable?
Thanks for your information. It gets me mentallly prepared.
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Old 07-29-2002, 08:54 AM   #12
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Okay so I decide that I'm going to do this last night... Well I get everything apart and I decide to go with the way of taking off the needles. That part went just fine, but now with everything back one I have no speed reading, and my tack just sits around 4500, my fuel is of by 1/4 and my temp is off the scale ....


I have pics of everything that I did, I will have them up by tonight. If anyone knows how to fix this other than buying new ones and not having the white I would be grateful.


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Old 07-29-2002, 11:27 AM   #13
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white knight - you'll have to do what richeich is doing to recalibrate. Did you mark the position of the needles (normally) before you started the install? If you marked normal operating temp, then the temp needle is an easy fix, as for the tach, you'll probably have to "turn" it back down 4500rpms so that it'll "zero"
Again, fuel go and fill up then set it back @ full so that you know that's a good reference.
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Old 07-29-2002, 04:02 PM   #14
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White Knight,
Once you got the gauge cluster overlay how did you decide to pull the needles?
I guess after reading a number of posts where people pulled the needles and then had to recalibrate,I am looking not to go that route unless I have to. I really don't want to pull the gauge cluster out either so I was thinking (hopeing!! or maybe even praying!) That all I would have to do is cut a slit to slip the overlay over the needles and then fit the overlay onto the cluster face that is already there.
Now that you've done yours would you change the way you did it and would you think my way might work?
Thanks for any insight you can provide.
PS I still have feelers out for the indiglo gauges for my forester.
I've seen them made for everything from a subaru front emblem to a lawnmower I think. I can't figure out why the forester is left out?
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Old 07-29-2002, 04:25 PM   #15
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gened1, Yeah now that I have done it I to was like why didn't I just make a slit to slip it over the needle

If I were to do it again that is what I would do.

Last night the tach was working right but just a little slower than norm. For the gas I was on empty last night so that is were the needle should have gone but its now just a 1/4 off when I filled it this morning. I did one more thing that I did not tell you guys before that is I painted my needles red because they were white. So I don't know if that has affected anything... I also had to cut more for the red line in the tach due to the fact that my car is a 2.2L.

One more thing, the temp gauge detail is way off. I will have pics up in about 3 hours.

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Old 07-29-2002, 04:35 PM   #16
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Gene- sorry for the lack of response. I had an autocross event yesterday and I'm basically just now getting back on the computer.

I'm not so sure your plan would work, at least while the cluster was still in the car. The whole cluster is not hard to take out, and only a little harder to put back in. I don't think you could get all the air and water bubbles out while the unit was installed in the car. Cutting a slit may work, but then you'd have to be careful about getting glue-type residue on the pointer while you install the overlay, or bending the shaft. It's worth considering, at least. That would be for you to decide when you get ahold of what you want and get to take a look at it.

Also, in regards to how the clusters look at night. I was looking at them on the way to work this morning, and they are not as beige as they look in my picture. I think if they had black numbers on them, instead of the lit up green numbers, they would look more white. It's almost like the bright green numbers mess up the contrast or something, like an optical illusion. I wouldn't want them bright white anyway. It could detract from my night vision looking outside the car.

Mark- did you doublecheck to make sure you got all the connecters back on. There was four total on mine. I had one on the back- in the center, one on the top left-hand side, and two on the top right-hand side. Maybe you missed one or it's just loose. That seems odd that neither your speedo or tach are doing anything. As for the fuel and temp gauges, I just set those back on where they were and they work fine. I was pretty low on fuel when I did mine, and then filled it up right afterwards to check the full level. My temp gauge starts off cold and then sits right where it used to at operating temperature. I must've messed up my tach a little on my own, and somehow I missed the zero setting on the speedometer. I'll get back in there within a day or two and try to correct it (while my wife is at work ).

I know a lot of people were a little disappointed, but I like the way they look. Nice and clean. I suppose I should take a picture standing outside the drivers door looking in towards them to give a longer-range picture, to give the general effect.

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Old 07-29-2002, 04:42 PM   #17
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Old 07-29-2002, 04:50 PM   #19
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I took every thing apart twice to try to get it right and yeah I pluged all 4 back in, thanks.

I do see that the temp gauge is differant in the 2.5 then the 2.2, because in that last pic every thing lines up but not on my car. Oh well....

For the speedo I think that on the last atempt I pushed it to close. I hope that I will be able to get to it tonight.

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Old 07-29-2002, 04:52 PM   #20
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Thank you kastle, I appreciate that. I know sometimes I'm too lazy to follow a link. Pathetic, isn't it?

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kastle, did you pull the needles?
i'm thinking about doing the slit idea....
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Old 07-29-2002, 06:22 PM   #22
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sybir, those are my pics. kastle was just nice enough to post them here so everyone could see, since I was too retarded to figure it out myself.
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my monitor at work is crappier, so the lighting looked different
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