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Old 06-11-2015, 07:48 PM   #1
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Default Michelin Pilot Super Sport Alternatives 2012 WRX

I recently purchased a set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports for my '12 hatch and have had them on for 3K miles. At first I enjoyed them a ton since I just came off my winter tires but after a while started not to like them. I find them too soft for my spirited driving style especially when taking corners. They are very good tires overall; they are quiet and grip very well but I still find them too soft. I actually enjoyed the Dunlop SP Sport 01s that came with the car more. Just looking to see what suggestions people have for alternatives since I may decide to sell them soon.

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What tire pressures are you using?
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:56 PM   #3
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I am running 33 in the fronts and 32 in the rears.
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Old 06-11-2015, 09:42 PM   #4
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I think you need to add 3-7lbs in each tire. I run 38-40 in the front and 36-38 in the rear. Love these tires! If they are good enough for the men in Maranello, they are more than good enough for me.
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Old 06-12-2015, 12:36 AM   #5
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I have not run michelin PSS's but I am really enjoying my continental extremecontact DW's
I have them in 265/35/18 - very quiet and comfy tire for daily use and they held up pretty well at 1 track day I've put them through so far.
If you're not gonna go for an extreme summer tire, I recommend the extremecontact DW's as an alternative!
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Old 06-12-2015, 08:30 AM   #6
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That is first time I see DW being recommended as PSS replacement when soft sidewall is the complaint.
Per my knowledge DW has even softer sidewall than PSS.

I would up the pressure 10-20% and see if you start liking PSS more. Any firmer sidewall will come with harsher ride IMHO.

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Old 06-12-2015, 08:39 AM   #7
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I put the tires at 38 front and 39 rear yesterday evening and drove 45 minutes on them this morning to work. So far I am liking it. I took a few sharp turns and sweeping corners at pretty significant speeds and did not feel the tires roll. I am sure this setup is not ideal for most but I enjoy pushing the car to its limits at times and if the tires are rolling on me it instantly kills the enjoyment knowing that I am limited by my tires. On straights the tires were just as quiet. I did feel a few more bumps in the road but it was very minimal and only because I was really trying to hear and feel the differences. Not sure if this will pre-maturely ware my tires out but at this point I don't really care, I just want to have fun. Thanks for everyone's input!
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Old 06-12-2015, 09:08 PM   #8
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You can push these tires really hard, don't worry about a little roll. Some companies design the tires this way as they have more of a gradual limit rather than breaking loose all at once, not sure if that is Michelin's intentions though. This tire comes stock on many of the best sports cars in the world, I don't think you can beat it for its intended application. If you want more grip and a stiffer sidewall, you may need to step up to the Pilot Sport Cup.
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Old 06-13-2015, 12:30 AM   #9
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I use them at around 38 psi. Loved them on my other car. I used the extensively on the Nurburgring when I live in Europe. It's probably the most popular tire out there from econo cars to Porche's since it also has good wet grip also. They will howl but they will break loose gradually. To me, they are were great around 6/32 of tread wear.
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Love my DW tires. 38psi is a good compromise. You lose a little bit of turn in compared to some other tires. For a DD it adds a little comfort to might tighter suspension.
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Bridgestone Potenza RE-11's everyday. No issues.
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:32 AM   #12
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I have a 2015 WRX and I have been loosing my mind with tire noise lol, and with driving through Baltimore city on broken pavement. I am looking for a tire that still provides great grip but with MUCH less tire noise and hum and more comfortable over cracks... I think the PSS may fit the bill... Here are all the tires I currently own/have run on my '15 WRX...

Stock Dunlop Sport Maxx RT - fairly loud, very sticky, sidewall too soft for autocross, tread life meh.

Winter Performance - Pirelli Sottozero 3 - silent until 40mph then fairly loud, somewhat uncomfortable over cracks, sidewall fairly stiff, EXCELLENT snow traction/dry & wet traction in cold weather, it's awesome to floor it when there is 4 inches on the ground and get 80%+ of your normal dry acceleration!

New Autocross Tires - Bridgestone RE-71R - Super quiet when I first mounted them new, 1 autocross lap and they're loud as *****, EXCELLENT dry and wet traction, stiff sidewall for driving, hate to give it up but I'll take a little less traction for greatly improved tire noise/more comfortable over broken pavement.
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I have not run michelin PSS's but I am really enjoying my continental extremecontact DW's
I have them in 265/35/18 - very quiet and comfy tire for daily use and they held up pretty well at 1 track day I've put them through so far.
If you're not gonna go for an extreme summer tire, I recommend the extremecontact DW's as an alternative!
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the dw is in a class below the pss
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agree that the DWs are a lesser tire than the PSS.

but they are also WAY cheaper than the PSS and for a summer/wet DD tire, the best bang/buck.
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I have a 2015 WRX and I have been loosing my mind with tire noise lol, and with driving through Baltimore city on broken pavement. I am looking for a tire that still provides great grip but with MUCH less tire noise and hum and more comfortable over cracks... I think the PSS may fit the bill... Here are all the tires I currently own/have run on my '15 WRX...

Stock Dunlop Sport Maxx RT - fairly loud, very sticky, sidewall too soft for autocross, tread life meh.

Winter Performance - Pirelli Sottozero 3 - silent until 40mph then fairly loud, somewhat uncomfortable over cracks, sidewall fairly stiff, EXCELLENT snow traction/dry & wet traction in cold weather, it's awesome to floor it when there is 4 inches on the ground and get 80%+ of your normal dry acceleration!

New Autocross Tires - Bridgestone RE-71R - Super quiet when I first mounted them new, 1 autocross lap and they're loud as *****, EXCELLENT dry and wet traction, stiff sidewall for driving, hate to give it up but I'll take a little less traction for greatly improved tire noise/more comfortable over broken pavement.
Try the BFG Rival, non 'S' version. Quiet and grippy!
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agree that the DWs are a lesser tire than the PSS.

but they are also WAY cheaper than the PSS and for a summer/wet DD tire, the best bang/buck.
You have four points of contact with the road-don't be cheap with your tires.
In my tire size you would save $180 dollars on all four tires.
I believe the OP asked for a stiffer sidewall too.
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If I was being cheap with tires I would buy used tires at 25/ea. buying dedicated dry/wet tires is in no way being "cheap".

I've weighed all the options very carefully in my tire choice. The only thing you get with a PSS over the DW is a stiffer sidewall. If you aren't racing, the stiffer sidewall doesn't much value. It doesn't make the tires last longer. It doesn't make the ride smoother (the opposite). It's personal preference. So I'll take a slightly softer ride on my 45mi highway commute. I've compared many tires. And the PSS is really the only tire that's the same or better in all categories. Other tires make compromises in some category (less dry grip, less wet grip, less wear rating, much more expensive, etc).

I understand the OP asked for a stiffer sidewall, and the OP's issue can be remedied with more tire pressure as he's running them underinflated. I was mearly commenting on the DW->PSS comparison and even admitted that it was a lesser tire over all. BUT it's still a better bang for buck.
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"better bang for buck" is debatable as PSS may have longer treadwear and may provide cheaper per mile ownership.
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I agree that DW is not bad choice for DD but ther are better performing tires, with similar price.

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if you're willing to put cheap tires on your car that you have been dumping countless hours and money into, is that really what you want to rely on traction and safety?

Dont be a cheapass when it comes to tires.
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Again...

DW's are not "cheap" tires. They are simply cheaper than PSS.
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PSS are way better. The DW will become noisy with time
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agree that the DWs are a lesser tire than the PSS.

but they are also WAY cheaper than the PSS and for a summer/wet DD tire, the best bang/buck.
the best bang for the buck is the 595 rs-r
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if you're willing to put cheap tires on your car that you have been dumping countless hours and money into, is that really what you want to rely on traction and safety?

Dont be a cheapass when it comes to tires.
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if you're willing to put cheap tires on your car that you have been dumping countless hours and money into, is that really what you want to rely on traction and safety?

Dont be a cheapass when it comes to tires.

Money does not mean its better. Tires are very specific and it depends on the situation.

For example in winter tire - Conti winter contacts or Altimax artics are great snow performers and cheaper than blizzaks or nokians. Sure I believe that the blizzaks and nokians are better tires and under certain situations will likely performa little better, just not enough to justify the cost. Especially when I only get about 10-15 snow days a season.

Summer tires are the same. My best turn-in and handling was with a Goodyear F1 A/S symetrical, the old one that would get so loud after 5K miles you wanted to shoot someone. If not for the noise and expansion joints on bridges. I might still have them.

Tires are a personal feel and people feel different things.
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the best bang for the buck is the 595 rs-r
if you dont drive in heavy rain, sure.
but wet performance is important to me, and the DW beats the 595rsr in that regard.
DW will also last longer.

595rsr also has issues with availability at times.
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