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Old 09-14-2016, 01:38 AM   #1
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Default best all season UHP tire 2016? pilot sport as/3+ /g force comp 2 a/s / dsw 06?

BFGoodrich g-Force COMP-2 A/S

or

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ (W- or Y-Speed Rated)

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Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06

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I live in Cincinnati OH. We get enough cold/snow/ice to merit a decent handling tire, but not nearly enough to merit a second set of winter tires I don't have the room or money for. One of the reasons I got a subaru was for it's versatility, so lets set aside for a minute those who are against a/s tires.

I had one set of bridgestone potenza re 970 as on my 02 wrx. they were great as far as i was concerned for an a/s with one exception. they sucked in the snow. bad. I then thought about getting dsw's. heard too many complaints about the soft sidewalls, the body roll or whatever you would describe the feel as. I have heard that has improved with the dsw 06s. However it is still a complaint and they are know to be not as sharp or performance as the other two tires I mention above which are #1 and #2 on tirerack surveys right now.

I would like to stick to one of these 3 tires so lets focus on them. For the record, I am somewhat heavily leaning away from the dsw 06 to the michelin or bf goodrich. I have not had either. I have had a contipro contact and it was the worst tire I ever had.

They are all pretty close in most categories so it might come down to a tiebreaker

important factors (not necessarily in order)

1. overall performance
2. responsiveness/handling characteristics (turn in etc)
3. ride quality (comfort)
4. road noise
5. winter weather traction

performing significantly more poorly in 1 category could be an eliminator. Also 1 tire performing significantly better in 1 category could be a tie breaker.

ex 1: tire a is equal to the others in the other categories but it better in the snow

ex 2: tire b is equal to the other tires in every category but is the best DD

Keep in mind this will be my only tires I run and I only have one car. It is a 2005 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti, riding stock BBS Wheels. 225-45-17. I might move at some point but lets just say I want a tire I can take anywhere enjoyably and its as least 'capable' in the snow, if not really good.
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Old 09-14-2016, 01:49 AM   #2
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I would have to go with the BFGoodrichs though I have had neither of these tires yet. On the Tire Rack survey it has 9.3 for the Steering Response (whereas the DWS 06 gets an 8.8, to your concern). Light and Deep snow traction come in at 2nd place which to me would seem good enough.

Now I've read also that once the tread wears a bit even the Continentals stop being good in snow.
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:46 AM   #3
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For winter I have the BF Goodrich Comp 2-A/S (On original 17" stock wheels) they were good last winter in the snow. They make more road noise than the OEM summer tires, but I have no complaints about grip. We had a lot of snow, so I feel like they were well tested, AND they're cheap! Oh, and they have an aggressive almost "rally tire" look (see below).

I have owned 2 sets of ExtremeContact DWS in the past, a nice riding tire, but I had issues with quality. After 15K miles one front tire started making a funny "creaking" sound like the inner steal belts were separating. Got 2 new tires, 20K later same thing.

I hear good things about Michelin Pilot Sports but they are $$$ expensive.

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Old 09-14-2016, 08:48 AM   #4
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I've had all 3 tires on different vehicles. Currently running the BFGs on my WRX.

The Michelins are very sticky and corner great. But they are probably on the bottom of this list for rain and snow performance.

The Continentals are fantastic in bad weather including snow, they're plenty sticky but they're on the bottom of this list for cornering grip.

The BFGs are your happy medium here. Think Continental weather performance with the Michelin cornering ability. But just slightly less on both accounts.

If I had to pick again, I'd go with the BFGs.
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That is what i was heavily leaning towards. Bfg or michelin, with a greater emphasis on bfg. Michelin makes bfg anyways.

The seperator for me seems in agreement: dsw 6 is too dull response sharpness and feel, michelins a little worse than bfg in the snow. And finally they ate the best bargain. Off the top of my head tirerack had the michelins for 145, bfgs for 110.

So this is the consensus?
Anymore thoughts?

I'm thinking bfg.
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Old 09-14-2016, 10:58 AM   #6
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Ps:

What price did you get mounted and balanced? (+ road hazard).

Was it from tirerack? If so, not sure how that works at the shop. Like if you can prepay install price when you pick an installer.

Or did you use tirerack pricing to negotiate an out the door deal with say michel tires plus or tire disounters?

Pss: agreed, i like the look of the bfg tire the best i think.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:04 AM   #7
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If you choose the local installer option at checkout, it shows you their pricing so you don't get shocked when you show up for the appointment. For example here is one from a Tires Plus:

Mounting & Balancing (per tire)
By Sidewall Aspect Ratio series
60 and Higher $11.40
50-55 $11.40
40-45 $14.20
35 and Lower $17.95
Road Force BalanceN/A
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:10 AM   #8
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Also is there only one size i should go for: 225 45 17. Idk some tires have 45r. 45z, 45zr or whatever and not sure what that actually means.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:16 AM   #9
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Yeah, the R is usually implied, for Radial tire (pretty much everything nowadays). The Z is the speed rating. Anything rated W or Z should be fine for the STi unless you have a need to go over 149 mph.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=35
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Also is there only one size i should go for: 225 45 17. Idk some tires have 45r. 45z, 45zr or whatever and not sure what that actually means.
ZR means the tire's maximum speed rating exceeds 149mph.

Not something you should be too concerned with.

I'm a little biased towards BFG because it's my favorite of the 3 at the moment. But any of those tires will treat you well with daily driving. Just be careful and sensible in snow always, regardless of which you choose.
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Old 09-14-2016, 11:55 AM   #11
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Thank you so mich guys. Youve been bery helpful. :-)

I recently traded my bbs gold for bbs silvers. They came with pirelli cinturato c7's. 225 50R 17.

http://m.tirerack.com/tires/TireDeta...um=25VR7CP7ASP

They are the current number 1 in the surveys of grand touring all season tires.

http://m.tirerack.com/tires/ratings-review.jsp

I wanted the wheels, not the tires. They have the smoothest ride ive been on in a tire with the least noise. Handling is sufficient but not as sharp as a uhp tire. Snow rating is supposed to be great.

They have 2000 miles on them, they are basicallly new. I'm only selling because I'm dead set on getting the best all around uhp all season since it will be my only set of tires on my only car (05 sti), that i drive everyday. I just want the bfg g force comp 2 a/s.

They wouldbe great for a quiet, comfortable, high tread rating, competent all around tire that you can drive all year and have great snow grip ratings. You could use them as a backup, a winter tire, all around, or an extra road course set to abuse, lol. Whatever your preference.

Located in cincinnati. I'll make a proper for sale post and put them on Craigslist. Thanks again everyone.

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Old 09-22-2016, 12:42 AM   #12
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1.
Any more input here? I noticed michelins did a decent amount better in some categories, would buy again for example. Bfg mess in that department. The numbers are really close. But like stated that might be the best buy and best all around.

2.
Should i buy from tire rack or use them as a price negotiation. Lol. I'm only weary of the shipping. Any way i can get a discount or free shipping? I couldn't find anything.

Ps i did read tire rack includes free road hazard.

I just have to wait for someone to buy mine.
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Old 09-22-2016, 02:21 AM   #13
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1. Have you already gone through the detailed comparo tests that Tire Rack has? Not the survey result charts (which are great). Here are a couple, one of them includes the Pilot Sports. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=119 and http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=200

2. Yeah places like TireBuyer do have free shipping on any of their tires. I have done some price comparisons and they are generally cheaper, though they have less brands I think. For example you can't get Sumitomos most anywhere except at Tire Rack.

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Old 09-22-2016, 04:18 AM   #14
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I have extremecontact and they have been doing very well in Colorado on all sorts of surfaces. Don't expect to rally with them.

I have not been through the winter with them yet however
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I use the A/S-3's as my "summer" tire, and hakkas for my "winter" setup.

I will be buying the A/S-3 again whenever they wear out. (2 summers on them now)

When originaly got the A/S-3, I put them on a month too early. I had to drive 80 miles from my house, down to denver, through 3 full on mountain winter storms.

They got me through it. I totally had to adjust my driving style (I drive like a madman with the hakkas), just gotta slow reactions down, increase breaking distances, and generally dial it back.

If you're not out doing a lot of actual winter driving, more of commuting to work, etc, when its snowed, they will be fine as long as you realize the ARENT snow tires.
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Old 09-22-2016, 01:17 PM   #16
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Thats good about tire buyer. The don't include road hazard for free though.

Has anyones else had the bf as 2 and the michelin as 3+?
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Old 09-22-2016, 01:46 PM   #17
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And first i have to find a buyer for the like news tires that's came on the rims i bought.

Which is tough to find someone in the market who this tire will fit. I've had trouble finding out subarus this might fit besides mine.

Also if the numbers are slightly different idk if they can fit.

But in my case, the only difference from oem is 50 rather than 45.

They're now 225 50 17.
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