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Old 01-10-2013, 11:43 PM   #1676
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do you feel like you are losing performance running that offset and that size wheel?

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My cars low but its not tucking.


The wheels on this car are 18x9 but im unsure of the offset, possibly a +27? This is what im after.

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Old 01-10-2013, 11:46 PM   #1677
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My cars low but its not tucking.


The wheels on this car are 18x9 but im unsure of the offset, possibly a +27? This is what im after.

those are +35, with stretched tires that you said you wanted to avoid.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:00 AM   #1678
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those are +35, with stretched tires that you said you wanted to avoid.
Im avoiding stretched tires. So if thats +35 and its already hanging out that far +27 is going to be overkill i presume and or harder to fit.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:06 AM   #1679
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are you ****ing kidding?

going from Volk...one of the most respected wheel manufacturers, to the VERY VERY VERY bottom of the barrel **** ass XXR's?

Give me your volks. I'll pay for shipping. You dont deserve them.
I'm guessing you don't like xxr's lmao. This is like the 3rd spot I've read you calling them **** ass wheels. What's the problem with them that feeds your deep rooted hatred?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:12 AM   #1680
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XXR's are knock offs.. and are super heavy compared to rota's.. Also have these weird width' (8.75)
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:38 AM   #1681
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Doesn't really justify anything other than personal preference. 18x8.75 compared to 18x9...what's weirded about it. It's only .25 smaller. Still can run all the same size tires that an 18x9 can. As far as weight goes. "Most" people aren't tracking their cars. They just want something that looks better than stock and don't have to drop 2g's to get. Any wheel is prone to breaking or cracking and anyone who says otherwise is seriously mistaken.

To each their own. Of course there are other wheels out there that I'd like to own but I just can't justify dropping that much money on a set of wheels when I have other aspects of the car that I'd rather focus that money into. 2g on some wheels or 2g towards my STI trans swap, paint job, turbo upgrade or whatever. As far as weight, well they may be heavier but so are wider tires. So you can have a heavier wheel with a lighter tire or you can have a lighter wheels with a heavier tire...its give and take. You can get just as much handling out of a 235 as you can out of a 265 if the setup is right. It is what it is I guess.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:02 AM   #1682
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XXR's are knock offs.. and are super heavy compared to rota's.. Also have these weird width' (8.75)
It's my understanding they have those weird widths to help with people who are stretching tires.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:27 AM   #1683
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It's my understanding they have those weird widths to help with people who are stretching tires.

oh ok.. wasn't too sure..

My budy just got some for his kia optima.. They look nice.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:32 AM   #1684
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I think the weird width is a "gimmick" to
Make you believe they are so concave, deep dish, fit stretched tires, etc... And having "unique" sizes makes them stand out more than other cheap wheel companies. But, it's all in the offset I've seen 15x8 +20 to 19x11.5 -27 wheels and the stretched tires all look the same.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:08 PM   #1685
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Doesn't really justify anything other than personal preference. 18x8.75 compared to 18x9...what's weirded about it. It's only .25 smaller. Still can run all the same size tires that an 18x9 can. As far as weight goes. "Most" people aren't tracking their cars. They just want something that looks better than stock and don't have to drop 2g's to get. Any wheel is prone to breaking or cracking and anyone who says otherwise is seriously mistaken.

To each their own. Of course there are other wheels out there that I'd like to own but I just can't justify dropping that much money on a set of wheels when I have other aspects of the car that I'd rather focus that money into. 2g on some wheels or 2g towards my STI trans swap, paint job, turbo upgrade or whatever. As far as weight, well they may be heavier but so are wider tires. So you can have a heavier wheel with a lighter tire or you can have a lighter wheels with a heavier tire...its give and take. You can get just as much handling out of a 235 as you can out of a 265 if the setup is right. It is what it is I guess.

they break before the bend. they are cheaply made. my buddy had some on his MR2, he no longer has the MR2. he had a wheel explode during an autoX event. it didn't explode by actual terms but if you were there you would has said it exploded. he wasn't the only person I know that had issues with them breaking, not being completely round (i think that's important) or shearing out the lug holes while launching.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:34 PM   #1686
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Doesn't really justify anything other than personal preference. 18x8.75 compared to 18x9...what's weirded about it. It's only .25 smaller. Still can run all the same size tires that an 18x9 can. As far as weight goes. "Most" people aren't tracking their cars. They just want something that looks better than stock and don't have to drop 2g's to get. Any wheel is prone to breaking or cracking and anyone who says otherwise is seriously mistaken.
because they are ****ty wheels. it really has nothing to do with weight (although they are heavy as **** too). they use a very soft compound for their wheels....the are junk....through and through....i dont need to tell you why, you can google, search nasioc, etc. its not an opinion, its a FACT.

I didn't say anything about them being CHEAP, but if you can only afford the cheapest, most ****ty wheels on the market, then this probably isnt the hobby for you.

and digital is right....the wierd sizing is nothing but a GIMMICK. an extra 1/8" on either side of the wheel doesn't help a tire stretch at all. and you can run all the same tires as an 8.5" wheel, not a 9" wheel.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:05 PM   #1687
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because they are ****ty wheels. it really has nothing to do with weight (although they are heavy as **** too). they use a very soft compound for their wheels....the are junk....through and through....i dont need to tell you why, you can google, search nasioc, etc. its not an opinion, its a FACT.

I didn't say anything about them being CHEAP, but if you can only afford the cheapest, most ****ty wheels on the market, then this probably isnt the hobby for you.

and digital is right....the wierd sizing is nothing but a GIMMICK. an extra 1/8" on either side of the wheel doesn't help a tire stretch at all. and you can run all the same tires as an 8.5" wheel, not a 9" wheel.
Dude first of all I didn't say I couldn't afford different wheels....I said not everyone can afford expensive wheels so they get what they can get. I said I personally would rather put that money towards other things so sitting there telling me that this isn't a hobby for me isn't something you should be proclaiming considering you don't know a damn thing about me.

Secondly I didn't say anything about stretching tires....all I said was you can fit all the same size tires on both wheels. And the sizing was fine for my 245's so I didn't see that as weird. Whatever the GIMMIK is wasn't even a factor in my response.

Personally I really don't care if you think they are ****. Thats cool....I don't track my car...I basically drive to and from work and the store. I don't launch my car like an Ahole at lights and stop signs....I don't street race honda's to prove how built my car is. So for what they are....its fine for what I need.

Thanks for being so concerned with everybody's safety thought....now everyone knows not to buy XXRs. Keep up the protest brotha.

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I thought this thread was supposed to be drama free and about fitment not brand
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:24 PM   #1688
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Dude first of all I didn't say I couldn't afford different wheels....I said not everyone can afford expensive wheels so they get what they can get. I said I personally would rather put that money towards other things so sitting there telling me that this isn't a hobby for me isn't something you should be proclaiming considering you don't know a damn thing about me.

Thanks for being so concerned with everybody's safety thought....now everyone knows not to buy XXRs. Keep up the protest brotha.

ANY wheel breaks if you abuse it.
Good for you dude.

The wheels are ****, and this isn't an opinon. Its FACT.

Yes. Any wheel will fail under certain circumstances. But there is a huge difference between a wheel failing from flying off track at speed, and a failure from hitting a pot hole driving home from work. I guess you don't grasp that concept.

If you can afford a 25k+ car (i.e. the original post i was responding to), you can afford more than the cheapest of the cheap.

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Old 01-11-2013, 02:54 PM   #1689
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Good for you dude.

The wheels are ****, and this isn't an opinon. Its FACT.

Yes. Any wheel will fail under certain circumstances. But there is a huge difference between a wheel failing from flying off track at speed, and a failure from hitting a pot hole driving home from work. I guess you don't grasp that concept.

If you can afford a 25k+ car (i.e. the original post i was responding to), you can afford more than the cheapest of the cheap.
Yeah I do under stand the difference between tracking and daily driving. I don't track this car. My other car and previous cars I have tracked. This is just my daily driver.

And I mod my car because I enjoy doing it and I enjoy driving it.

I figure since you edited your last post I'd edit mine to end this debate.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:36 PM   #1690
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No one ever wins a debate about real versus knock offs. Of course any wheel can fail, but the JDM "real" brands that you posted all broke under harsh track conditions or accidents. I can't honestly say I've heard of any story where a Volk or Advan failed from daily driving.

On the other hand there are various reports out there about a "knock-off" failing under low stress situations.

The price difference has to come from somewhere. Brand premium only accounts for a portion of the price difference (ie, Advan only charges a little bit more because it's an Advan wheel and design). The rest typically comes from either materials, processes (including R&D), quality control, or some combination of the three.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:01 PM   #1691
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talking about crap wheels.. how much worse are XXR Wheels to ROTA Wheels?.. since they are both knock offs
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:17 PM   #1692
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XXR's are knock offs.. and are super heavy compared to rota's.. Also have these weird width' (8.75)
Wouldn't you say rotas are knock offs too?
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talking about crap wheels.. how much worse are XXR Wheels to ROTA Wheels?.. since they are both knock offs
Rota's are knock offs but are higher quality (I still wouldn't use them personally). the thing about a good wheel and a cheap is what happens AFTER they fail. a cheap wheel will almost always completely grenade itself and a higher quality wheel will maintain most of it's integrity preventing a catastrophic failure. try finding a picture of a Volk, Works, or BBS wheel that was completely destroyed without significant impact, you won't find it. with XXR and Rota you will find cases of it, more with XXR than anything though. that is the case of street driving....track use is a whole different issue. XXRs can fail from high speed alone without hitting anything.

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talking about crap wheels.. how much worse are XXR Wheels to ROTA Wheels?.. since they are both knock offs
Rotas are actually a very high quality wheel.

Try searching about that. In addition to being an OE wheel manufacturer for several companies (including Mercedes, Ford, VW, and several others)...the fastest subarus in the country run Rotas....by choice.

Yes...they copy other designs, but that is not the discussion we are having. We're talking about Quality vs. ****.
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Rotas are actually a very high quality wheel.

Try searching about that. In addition to being an OE wheel manufacturer for several companies (including Mercedes, Ford, VW, and several others)...the fastest subarus in the country run Rotas....by choice.

Yes...they copy other designs, but that is not the discussion we are having. We're talking about Quality vs. ****.
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I just bought me a pair of xxr527
The size is 18x8.75
We put new winter tyres on it
3rims only needed 20gr of ballance weight (none to nothing)
The 4rd rim needed 120+60gr of ballance weight on it
Rim was 2-3mm off round
Quality of paintwork was FAR BETTER than my Rota Gforces which were only really painted at the front.
For the rest they're both crappy cheap ass ****, exactly what you can expect in regard what you pay for.....
I will order a forged set for the summer, Advan, Wedgesport, Volk, ...
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:19 PM   #1697
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Rotas are actually a very high quality wheel.

Try searching about that. In addition to being an OE wheel manufacturer for several companies (including Mercedes, Ford, VW, and several others)...the fastest subarus in the country run Rotas....by choice.

Yes...they copy other designs, but that is not the discussion we are having. We're talking about Quality vs. ****.
GOOD!! IM HAPPY TO KNOW I DIDNT BUY A CRAP WHEEL

MY NEW ROTA GRIDS ARE ARRIVING TOMORROW!! SO EXCITED...

BUT I HAVE A R134 LEAK AND I LIVE IN FLORIDA ((

ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER... GRRRR
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I hope rotas are good for autoX
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:57 AM   #1699
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What are the XXR 530s a replica of? Bc I love the way these look and the concavity of them. If they are a knock off of a quality wheel that looks the same I'd most definitely prefer that. Thanks for the help.
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BBS Rk ?
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