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Old 03-02-2001, 11:42 AM   #1
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Post how to become a rally driver

This is just a general interest question, I'm not planning on pursuing a career in racing any time soon, I'm just curious if anyone knows how one becomes a rally driver? (for a big name manufacturer for instance)

Does one just enter their own cars into 'amateur' rallies, and then sort of get 'noticed'? Or is there a more structured method out there?


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Old 03-02-2001, 11:52 AM   #2
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oh is this a loaded question or what?

get a rally car...
start driving in club events...
get sponsored...
move up to pro events...
get more sponsors..

and if you are very good and very lucky, you may get a full ride...

that's for us here in the states... things are different in the UK where everyone.. and i mean just about everyone is either racing or involved in it in one way or another...

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Old 03-02-2001, 12:06 PM   #3
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People just don`t become Rally Drivers.
You have to be born one, and then do whatever Jamie said one message up. Some people do others don`t.....
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Old 03-02-2001, 12:33 PM   #4
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the first step doesn't have to be buying a rally car. There are plenty of rally schools out there where you can use their cars.
This will give you a taste for it, and at the same time show you wheather you are or are not capable of doing it. THose courses are a good place to start. Many instructors have raced or are racing in rally so they can also tell you what to do or the different options that you could have available.
One school in New England is this one:
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Old 03-02-2001, 02:03 PM   #5
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We don`t have Rally schools or rallycrosses here in chicagoland area. SCCA Midwest region SUCKS. I`ve asked them million times to organize a rallycross but they always reply
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"no plans at the moment"
So the only 3 rallycrosses I ever done were 2 at Ojibwe Forests Rally MN, and one 400 miles away in Minnesota, that I had to drive to for 8 hrs.

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Old 03-02-2001, 02:27 PM   #6
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Greg, what you should do is organize your own rallycross.
You don't need to have SCCA approval to organize your own event.
Just think:
<u>ANNOUNCING THE 3RD ANNUAL GREG555 RALLYCROSS OF CHAMPIONS!!</u>

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Old 03-02-2001, 02:38 PM   #7
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Here in IL it`s really hard to find any areas even just to *** around, not to mention thinking about renting it. And on top of that it`s all flat and all the gravel roads are in corn fields with only square turns.
Time to move to west coast...
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Old 03-03-2001, 01:53 AM   #8
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we dont have rally schools here...

we have rallycross!! and open loggin roads...hehehehe
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Old 03-03-2001, 08:30 AM   #9
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Most rally drivers start out doing navigational events (TSD). Then to more nav events more towards the driver skills (drivex). These events usually have high average speeds (which are run very late at nite) Drivers that I know who started off in navigationals are Tom Mcgeer, Sprongl, Sheible, Pat Richard. Its cheap( unless you crash !!), you don't need a cage in your car and its fun.
From there, rally-x , auto-x to gain more driving skills. When you do decide to fully compete, thats when you would have to have a proper car (rally prepped) to enter regional events. From there, you do as many events to work towards your national licence.
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Old 03-03-2001, 09:42 AM   #10
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One common missconception is that people are "born" great drivers. Simply not true. Driving fast is a learned attribute. Understanding what an apex is, braking points, etc etc. There is no replacement for experience, that's why some of the greats like Senna started on karts when they were 5 years old.

If you want to be a rally driver, or any other type of racer for that matter, go for it! Keep in mind you're going to need lots of ca$$h.
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Old 03-03-2001, 10:50 AM   #11
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meebs: I will agree in part with your above statement. But some people are born with certain attributes they enable them to be better racecar drivers from the start. Balance & depth perception are very important in driving a racecar; balance comes into play because those with a good sense of balance can sense the degree of a slide better than those with poor balance. Depth perception is of course important as it allows the driver to make the required adjustments for what is coming up in front of them. Then there is the basic sense of awareness; some people are just born with a better sense of awareness for what is going on around them. These are the reasons some driver's seem to use much less physical & mental efforts to win races. Now I am not saying that with practice and strong mental discipline you will not beat these type of drivers, just that they are born with certain attributes and which allow them to succeed at the sport.

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Old 03-03-2001, 04:57 PM   #12
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You also must be born w/o a sense of self preservation to be areally good driver. If the corners scare you you will go slow.....
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Old 03-04-2001, 10:19 PM   #13
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simple, go race Burns on his favorite rally course. He shall use the WRC car, you shall use a saturn. if you school him, i'm sure some company out there will sponsor you professionally =)
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Old 03-05-2001, 02:08 AM   #14
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what the hell is an apex.

\0. You had better be dedicated.

1. Steal your parents car at least 5 times before you are 14. Then, when you are 14, steal it, and get 'caught', and in the ensuing chase be sure to engage the cops. When you get caught say you were dared by your friends and you wanted to make sure that the family name saved face. If you don't have parents steal a car from someone who you know will not press charges. At least steal it once during the winter to get ice time.

2. Turn 16. Get a license. Be sure to take the extra licensing school with the movies so you get cheap insurance. Next, find a car, any car. Replace ALL TIRES with studded winter tires, ESPECIALLY if it is summer. Proceed to TAKE EVERY CORNER YOU EVER SEE in a big slide on the studded tires. Start in a rear wheel drive, pig of a car like a Volvo. They swing real good and take the beats. Move up to 2nd, 3rd, 4th, then "OD" slides.

3. Enter 'scavenger hunts' when you are still in high school. ALWAYS use studs. When the studs wear out, replace studded tires with new studded tires (NOTE: the tires can and should be old and ****ty, just put new studs in). Win them all by several hours. Tip:by driving over 160km/h the wrong way down one way streets DOWNTOWN in the city you can make up huge amounts of time.

4. Switch to an out-of-province license, and get your 'first car'. The license is to keep the man off your ass. Then get a cheap, ****box front driver car. Make sure it costs less than $500, but make sure it is LIGHTWEIGHT and that it is a model where there are 'upgrades' for it (like a Ford Fiesta, which can use the Formula Ford motor parts etc.) Always get the ****box with the roll up windows. Move to a ski resort and proceed to race up and down the access roads. Be sure to go beyond 'control'. You only spent $500 so why not push the living crap out of it. This way you can get gravel time in the summer and ice/snow in the winter to complement your tarmac (hehe with the studs) experience. Roll it.

5. Get ****box 2.0. This time, still spend $500 but make it ultra-lightweight. If you might get lucky, you miht get like an old Subaru GL-10, you can lock the center diff and learn how to do 'hockey stops'. IMPORTANT: Once you get the hang of how it handles, AT LEAST ONE MONTH LATER move up to trying NEW tires. Get a set of 4 new tires. Nice m+s ones, for the dirt. Proceed (on the same day that you get the tires) to lay a CONTINUOUS, perfectly apexed black strip at least 4 corners deep on your favorite tarmac road. THIS STEP TAKES BALLS. It isn't the 4 corners or the tarmac or the sliding, it is the CONTINUOUS BLACK STRIP part in your ****box with the new tires on the tarmac. Roll the car into oblivion on the 5th corner.

6. When you get out of the hospital you will now begin the 'zen' phase of training. Try to secure a loan and get a 'proper' car. Get a car like a Subaru or a Honda or something like that. This step is to 'tone down' your psycho driving. DO NOT MODIFY THE CAR. ESPECIALLY, DO NOT GET BIG WINGS or TINTED WINDOWS or LIGHTS UNDERNEATH IT. Enter your first TSD, **but** make sure that it is an ice/snow **and** a "drivex" event, none of that "navigator" crap. Or, go to an autocross with winter studded tires, even if it is summer.

7. During the 'zen' phase, when the urge hits really really bad, save up $2-300 and instead of spending it on CLEAR CORNERS or a UNDERDRIVE PULLEY, treat yourself and buy another 80's Subaru GL-10. Go bash it in the woods and take the plates off of it when all 4 tires are flat and the windows get smashed out.

8. Once you have successfully completed the 'zen' phase, your license should be in good enough standing for you to legally get back on the road and get a proper 'rally' license. You should concact SCCA (in USA) or CARS (Canada). Take the 'zen' car, and put a ROLLCAGE and SAFETY gear in it. DO NOT MODIFY ANYTHING ELSE. Run it in a produciton class. DO NOT 'upgrade' this and that. You don't need to, yet. Make it pass tech. Enter your first rally.

9. Run as many rallies as possible. Do not attempt to win. Do not attempt to impress chicks at the hairpins. You are now applying techniques learned in steps 1-8. DO NOT SPEND ON THE CAR. Even if you suck and you are getting pummelled (which you wont because of steps 1-8), spend ONLY on things in this order: making the events on a minimum budget, Press and marketing, service crew, car.

10. You will guaranteed get at least a few sponsors if you spend in that order. Guaranteed. With the new sponsorship, NOW try to spend on the car, BUT KEEP SPENDING ON THE ABOBVE STUFF FIRST. On the car stuff, spend in this order: graphics, suspension, differentials. You will not have enough at this point to spend anywhere else.

11. You will now start doing well. At this point, you will need to select your events, your finishes (YES, you can actually decide to beat someone, or get beat) to further your "career". DO AS MANY RACES AS POSSIBLE. Focus on and run a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

12. If you did it right, you will get invited to test for a factory team.

13. Post about it on the internet.
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Old 03-05-2001, 02:12 AM   #15
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My phone just rang. That was a joke by the way.
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Old 03-05-2001, 05:19 AM   #16
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Pat,

You need to get out more!!

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Old 03-05-2001, 05:29 AM   #17
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Old 03-05-2001, 05:58 PM   #18
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You can tell Pat-R purely made up THAT story...

I have done it the "old fashioned" way of getting a rally car (started in Opels...) and working my way through the ranks. (Clubrally, rallycross, ProRally, rally raids (Alcan etc)).

After 17 years and countless hours. I have got a little attention from big teams, and like Pat-R, the phone has rung.

The key to getting a factory ride is being dedicated to the sport and performing well.
Period.
www.writerguy.com/primitive/alcan.htm

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Old 02-21-2005, 07:23 PM   #19
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Default I hope that's true..

I'm 24 and have ambitions of driving in the WRC. So far, in broad strokes, my plan is to go to a rally school (I picked the Tim O'Neil one in NH and I'm in WA) go to UIT or a community college and learn as much as I can. On the side I'll just be racing as much as I can. From what I gather that's just about all I can do until I move to Europe. I just hope that I'm not starting too late in life.. It's kind of disconcerning that you could be to old for something at 24. But I hope not.
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Old 02-21-2005, 08:03 PM   #20
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My Plan is to autox religiously and rallyx at the new local series in my STi, save up to buy an old rally car and go to grad school part time so i can get a job that will allow me to fund a group n car myself and hope to be sponsored eventually. Sadly I think its really hard to make it without spending a lot of cash yourself to get recognized by big time teams/sponsors. Maybe i will get a go kart this spring too if its going to help since its cheap to race them there are local events.

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Old 02-21-2005, 08:48 PM   #21
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Search the net...google it, perhaps there's a weekend rally course around your area. I took a rally school here at ridgecrest back in 2000...http://californiarallyseries.com/rallyschools.htm. Although I hear the co-driver courses are pretty boring.

Then do rally-x's as Subie Gal said. I heard that's how Petter Solberg started...doing rally-x's. Perhaps you can ask www.swrt.com to point you in the right direction. Leon Styles was one of my instructors at the time. If you are a girl, it helps to show some leg to be sponsored.










j/k about showing some leg...
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I'm 24 and have ambitions of driving in the WRC.
If you really really want to be a WRC driver, you have got some catching up to do and college isn't part of the plan.

2005: Take the money you were going to spend on college, and move to the UK today. Sell a kidney or otherwise find funding and run a proper one-make series. Set FTDs on basically every stage. Nice if you win the championship, too. End of the year, figure out how (rob a bank?) to run a WRC event in Gr.N. Set at least 3-4 FTDs in Gr.N.

2006: Now comes the hard part. Amass $2m to run a 2-year PWRC program. First year, go out and make notes on all the events. Finish all stages, at some middling speed, but really really work on the notes. At your home event (that you ran in the end of 2005), set FTDs in Gr.N on 70% of stages.

2007: Second year, using your good notes, go out and set FTDs on 70% of all the stages in the PWRC championship. Absolutely embarrass the old farts who drive PWRC cars. Bonus points if you win the championship, but overall, you just need to be mega mega fast. (The factory managers know almost exactly how fast you can be in a Gr.N car on most of these stages -- that's why this is better than JWRC.)

2008: Pray to some sky pixie that there are still enough factory cars in WRC, and that someone needs a driver. Failing that, break Thomas Radstrom's leg. At this point, you're 27-28. Now you have one, maybe two years to get a factory seat.

Seriously, I don't mean to sound harsh, but if you really really really, willing-to -eat-bologna-on-hand sandwiches-poor, really want to drive in the WRC, this is your best bet. College won't get you ****. You can go to college when you're 29, if this doesn't pan out for you. I'll be 29 in March, and I bet college would be a lot of fun.

Don't delay.

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Motorsports funding is all about who you know ..... Work on marketing yourself and finding funding.... The guys who are running in the wrc have had big financial support and known the right people to get the tests
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What makes you (or anyone else for that matter) think that you are even remotely qualified for a WRC drive? Pat R drove like mad last year, destroied the competition in a less competitive car than others had, yet it is still not very likely that you'll see Pat running a factory WRC car for points. Don't get me wrong, Pat is fast as hell, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

All of us aspiring rally guys were born in the wrong country to ever really get anywhere in rally. To have any hope you needed to be born in Europe/Australia and your parents had to have a fruitful Group N. STI tree in the back yard.

Why not set reasonable expectations? My goal is to evenutally save up enough on the side (while saving for all the real priorities in life) to get a '99 to '01 2.5RS PGT car and run a season or two of rallies in the north east. I already have a 'sponsor' in NC Rally that will reduce my costs significantly, but it's still not affordable.

Come back and ask again once you've won the Rally America national series by a comfortable margin in Group N., then the question is relevant...

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hey names manny,
i love cars, i love racing on the streets, since i was 14 i was working on cars, im 20 now and end up loving it since. i want to become a rally racer i was wondering if any one can point me to the right direction and how to get started i would really appreciate any info. email me at finalgearz21@aol.com thank you
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