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Old 07-26-2002, 08:56 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Sumitomo HTR+ 225/50/ZR16

Sumitomo makes a great tire, the HTR+ 225/50ZR16 works very well on stock rims. There is a slight bulge over the rim, but it dosen't affect the perfomance. They are very quiet and stick like ugly on an ape. They are huge improvment over the stock RE92's.
The 225 size really looks great on my RS with no rubbing issues at all. I drove over speed humps at 30MPH and no problems. The ride is great. I haven't had them in the wet yet, but living in Oregon they will see lot's of wet roads, I'm sure with the large sipping groves they will do very well. And at $380.00 out the door, they are a great buy.

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Old 08-16-2002, 01:30 AM   #2
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Thumbs up I second that

I got these in the same size and I love these tires they look mean on my Rex, they are cheep, and handle great. I got them from Tirerack they are cheep look cool as hell and handle great in the wet and dry. I can not believe tires this cool are all season tires, I will have to wait till the snow comes to see how they handle that. I would rate them right with the Kumho ECSTA Supra 712 but they are all seasons so you donít have to keep winter tires.
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Old 08-22-2002, 09:44 PM   #3
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I'm running these tires on 17 Prodrive rims and they perform pretty well. Today was the first real test - day long trip to the mountains in the rain. Going 80 mph in the rain as the highway twists around the mountains presents no problems. They are quiet and stick pretty good. Hopefully they will be ok in the snow as well. Seems like a good rubber.
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Old 08-28-2002, 12:34 AM   #4
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Has anyone put these tires on a wider rim (7-7.5) as opposed to the stock rim? I am looking into better tires, but want to keep the 16" size.
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Old 09-02-2002, 05:18 PM   #5
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I got a set of these (HTRZII) in 225/45/17. What a crappy tire. Kuhmo 712's provide better traction. I learned my lesson buying cheap so called performance tires. All you really get is a hard compound tire with a performance tread pattern. They started to blister and delaminate after only 2 140+mph runs.

STAY AWAY from these!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-03-2002, 01:56 AM   #6
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I have the HTRZ II's 215/45/17 but I got the hr rated ones not the zr. I really like these tires. I don't track the car but for rain and dry everyday/spirited driving I think they are great and would recommend them to anyone. Don't let tdman77 review scare you, unless your gonna take your car over 140 MPH and expect your $100.00 tires to be flawless.
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Old 09-03-2002, 07:21 PM   #7
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I have the HTRZ II's 215/45/17 but I got the hr rated ones not the zr. I really like these tires. I don't track the car but for rain and dry everyday/spirited driving I think they are great and would recommend them to anyone. Don't let tdman77 review scare you, unless your gonna take your car over 140 MPH and expect your $100.00 tires to be flawless.
I bought these tires becaues they were WR rated. Last time I checked a WR rating was good for 149+mph. If I wanted to by good $100 tires then I would have bought some Kuhmos or Falkens, but I was looking for performance. These tires are not worth $25 let alone the $98 I paid. The Kuhmo 712s are a much better tire for the same price.
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Old 09-08-2002, 09:54 AM   #8
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If these tires are so bad why does the Tire Rack rate them so well.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/sumi_htr_plus.jsp
For $85.00 a tire these tires are very close the the much more expensive Pilots and P7000 tires. Don't let one bad comment keep anyone from buying these tires and who drives 140 mph anyhow. Check your PSI, F33/R32 works for me.
Check the test results, the hard numbers say that these tires are a good tire for the money.
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Old 09-09-2002, 05:30 PM   #9
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I agree with Jim,,ive got the HTRZ IIs in 17s,,good bang fr your buck.Tdman has probably never done 140mph,only in his dreams maybe.My other tires,18 inch BFG G force KDWs are rated to about 200 mph.But i dont think im gonna test em
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BTW,,Ive driven Kuhmo's,,not much in IMHO
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Old 09-16-2002, 02:42 AM   #10
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I too just purchased a set of 225-45-17 HRTZ II's and man what a difference. It was a complete upgrade from the stock rims so I have no other tire's to compare them too, but so far so good! Car feels extremly more planted and stable, but this was compared to the RE92's.
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Old 09-25-2002, 12:34 PM   #11
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I've gotten my HTR+ 225/45/17 over 140mph, and no problems. They ride at 140 as if you were going 55. I'm very pleased with the performance of these tires. Going 70mph around 30mph curves is also fun . These were a great tire to put on my SSR Competitions. And I could have gotten any tire, but I chose these because of the traction rating and treadwear rating. I took me a while to finally decide on the tire, I'm very happy with my choice.
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Old 10-22-2002, 04:32 AM   #12
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Default tire pressure on these

Just wondering what pressure you guys are running on the HTR+ or even the HTZ II...
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Old 10-22-2002, 09:47 AM   #13
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I'm currently running 39 front and 37 rear on the HTRZ II's
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Old 11-03-2002, 01:23 AM   #14
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39 to 40 psi on both the front and rear
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Old 11-03-2002, 02:41 PM   #15
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Does anyone here have 225's on along with lowering springs (I have Eibach Prokits + KYB AGX = 1 inch drop). Anyone experience any rubbing issues? Have to roll the fenders? etc...??

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Old 11-05-2002, 09:32 AM   #16
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Old 11-05-2002, 08:23 PM   #17
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Did you fit those tires on your stock wheels? How much fender clearance do you have? I have the technomag 16x7 48mm offset, do you think if I had those tires, I would have a rubbing problem on my wrx wagon?
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I have the 225/50-16 tires on the stock wheels with no rubbing problems. You could prob. even lower the car with these tires. I donít see why you canít when I look at the wheel well space with the tires on. So a conservative lowering could work fine. Now what might be a problem is putting them on aftermarket wheels. Stock wheels have 53mm offset and I think they are only 6.5in wide. The closest thing to the tires is the strut. Lessening the offset and widening the rim could mean that the tire will hit the strut. I have about Ĺ in now clearance and that is a lot closer that the stock size tire was. TireRack says with of the stock tire is 8.4in and width of 225s is 9.2in so mount a stock and Technomag on the front of the car and measure from rim to strut and do some math.
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Old 11-08-2002, 05:58 PM   #18
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I guess I have a similar question. I have the Prodrive P7's with a 52mm offset and am considering 225/45/17's. The tire I'm considering has a .1" wider section width and patch (probably one of the widest 225's on the market). You mentioned that there was more of a clearance problem on the inside (shock) than with the fender?

Most of what I've found has that people have been having rubbing problems with the fender with the 225's but most have had offsets of less than 50mm.
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Some how this thread turned into about tire sizing and not about the Sumitomo tires. For everyone that has questions about a width of tire and clearance, go to Tirerack.com. If you are getting tires you should get them from them and they have all the exact tire sizes and dimensions so you can compare them to the stock RE-92 in the 205/55-16" size. If you have any questions give them a call they will know if this rim that tire and this spring setup will work. If it's the stuff they sell or if they have something the same dimension of what you have. I know best about this tire in this size on the stock rim, well and Kumho Victoracers on the stock rim in this size also, on stock wagon suspension cuz thatís what I have. I recommend both very much and other sizes, rims, and ride height I am just taking in the info off of Tirerack.com. But if you need an all-season tire the Sumitomo HTR+ in my opinion is the best that I have seen, and I have gone through a good amount of tires.
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I also recentlly autoX with these tires cuz my Kumhos were not with me at the time. You have to put alot of air in them I had 42psi and wish I could have put some more in. The sidewall would roll over but that is due to the tire sidewall hieght more than anything. More sidewall gives you a nicer ride but also rolls on you. I have autoXed in cars with Kumho 712, brdgestone S03, Falkins, Sumitomo HTZ. The HTR+ was very close to the Kumho and HTZ, the s03 and Falkins are the best street tires so they are clearly better. But the HTR+ are all-seasons so when those guys have to put the crappy stock B-stones on at the first sign of snow.
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Some how this thread turned into about tire sizing and not about the Sumitomo tires. For everyone that has questions about a width of tire and clearance, go to Tirerack.com.
The reason I asked about fitment is that I haven't found that many wagon owners who have tried putting 225's on a wagon with wheels that have a 50+mm offset. Most seem to have 48mm (i.e. Rotas) and have had problems with rubbing with the 225's.

If I was planning on purchasing tires from Tire Rack, I would give them a call but since I'm considering a tire they don't sell, I didn't want to give them a call and waste their time when I wasn't planning on purchasing this set of tires from them (I have purchased several sets of tires from them in the past).

I was just hoping that somebody in the i-club tried 225's on the wagon with a wheel that has a 52+mm offset. I posted on the wheel forum but didn't get a response other than from individuals who have Rotas. So, when I saw your post and you mentioned your concern about the tires clearing the struts, I decided to post. Reason being that a 225/50/16 is the same width and diameter as a 225/45/17. So, it appeared to me that the tire I'm considering would probably fit with the correct offset. Also, I've read conflicting offset numbers from the stock wheels. Once source says 55mm and you mention 53mm.
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The reason I asked about fitment is that I haven't found that many wagon owners who have tried putting 225's on a wagon with wheels that have a 50+mm offset. Most seem to have 48mm (i.e. Rotas) and have had problems with rubbing with the 225's.
I've got Sumitomo HTR+ WR rated 225/45/17 on my wagon but I've got Rota's and no rubbing that I've seen, of course I don't autocross but I will be going to the track very soon. These tires don't stick as well as dry pavement tires, but they are very reasonable for all around wet/dry applications.

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We just had the first big snow in Detroit and the tires did OK. They are not any worst than the stocks but the fact they are wider I think hert them. In the slush stuff they do good, on packed snow and ice the width really hurts them. I still love them with about 15,000 miles on mine. For all-seasons I still think they are the best and recomend them.
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I've got about 6K miles on mine now and I don't love them.

They do very well in the water (much better than stock), I live in CA so we don't get snow here.

I went to the last track day at infineon raceway (sears point) and my tires were only a tiny bit better than stock, and that may have been due to the 225 size.

IMHO Bridgestone S03's do nearly as well in the wet stuff but are at least twice as good in the dry. Cost of S03's is $150 vs $100 for Sumitomo (tire rack).

I think it is worth the extra $200 for S03's.

I don't hate my Sumitomo's, but I won't buy them again for this car.
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just for the record, im currently using 225/45/17 HTR+ on 17x7 dressup wheels with 52mm offset. no rubbing in or out.

im expecting my s03's to come in tomorrow, so will do a
back to back comparison in dry cold weather.
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