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View Poll Results: What should a Noob w/an '11 STI run in?
Go B-Stock! 4 36.36%
Go STU! 7 63.64%
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Old 07-14-2011, 06:59 PM   #1
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Default AutoX Newbie - first season w/a '11 STI - BS or STU?

Hello AutoX'rs!

I've been browsing this forum more and more while preparing for this season, my first of hopefully many...

I've got a '11 STI, completely stock performance-wise and wanted to take your suggestions on competing in either B-Stock vs STU as essentially a novice...

A little background on me: ive been licensed and driving for 10 years, cars on tarmac/snow (NorCal), dirt/sport/cruisers as well but never done a track day as of yet... I've probably done 200k collectively on all the street vehicles ive driven and i consider myself an 'advanced' street driver - but again, no track experience.

I'm competing in Oahu, HI, we have a small-ish track, it's around a 1 minute long course for the average driver on the track.


Anyway, before this sunday's season opener, I wanted to know whether B-Stock or STU will be better for me to learn in, compete for points etc - I'd like to have a fighting chance to win something if I'm lucky/good.

I intend to leave my car stock during the season other than changing tires when the OE's run out


thanks for reading and your help as well! hope everyone has a great season! I can't wait to start posting up some gopro clips...

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Old 07-14-2011, 07:21 PM   #2
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I suppose I should add - after reading the 2011 handbook, those were the two classes that I found the '11 STI to be in; unlike BSP as shown in the 'AutoX Rules Read Me' thread... please correct me if I'm wrong..

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Old 07-14-2011, 07:23 PM   #3
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IT doesn't matter. You won't be fast anyway. In B-stock you'd need slicks and in STU you'd need coilovers and super sticky 245 street tires. Either way, if a class prepped car shows, you're toast.
Just go and run against yourself. Try and get faster each run.
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:31 PM   #4
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IT doesn't matter. You won't be fast anyway. In B-stock you'd need slicks and in STU you'd need coilovers and super sticky 245 street tires. Either way, if a class prepped car shows, you're toast.
Just go and run against yourself. Try and get faster each run.

Thats good insight Dan - most of the cars really are class prepped; i know in STU i'd be toast compared to the prepped miatas being piloted by veteran scca'ers
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:42 PM   #5
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Thats good insight Dan - most of the cars really are class prepped; i know in STU i'd be toast compared to the prepped miatas being piloted by veteran scca'ers
Miatas don't run in STU...

Just go to the event as is. Don't worry about classing. Heck, run a time only group. Then watch BS, STU, BSP, and SM and see how much money you want to spend. But regardless of how much you can afford, it's still seat time that makes you fast.

I came from road racing. So to me, Autox is cheaper. But if your actually wanting to be competitive, it isn't cheap. I figure I spend $100/weekend if it's a really close event. The one thats 2 hours away, I spend close to $250/weekend. And that doesn't count money spent on the car chasing 10ths of a second, tires, suspension, etc.
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Does you region a have a street tire class if so do that with th BS index, if not just run BS IMHO
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Miatas don't run in STU...

Just go to the event as is. Don't worry about classing. Heck, run a time only group. Then watch BS, STU, BSP, and SM and see how much money you want to spend. But regardless of how much you can afford, it's still seat time that makes you fast.

I came from road racing. So to me, Autox is cheaper. But if your actually wanting to be competitive, it isn't cheap. I figure I spend $100/weekend if it's a really close event. The one thats 2 hours away, I spend close to $250/weekend. And that doesn't count money spent on the car chasing 10ths of a second, tires, suspension, etc.
for me it's just around the corner, so seat time is definitely what i'm after - i'll see what classes we have since it's a small region (oahu, hawaii, only one 'track' setup in the corner of a parking lot)


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Does you region a have a street tire class if so do that with th BS index, if not just run BS IMHO
I'll have to find out, but i believe so
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If you're a n00b, see if your local region has a novice class if you want to try to be competitive. If not, try the street tire class in BS. Either way it's going to be an indexed time that will have you competing against all manner of other cars.

It's my first year too, and I've had fun trying to compete against other people, especially in Biggly's car that's quite prepped for STX. But my ultimate goal, and especially for this weekend driving my Mini for the first time in DS class, is to just improve every run. Go out, drive your balls off, get back to grid, try to figure out where you can improve. Then go and do it again... and again... and again. And if they have fun runs at the end of the day, keep doing it.

The most important thing.... HAVE FUN! It's the classing BS and people being overly competitive and serious about stuff that kept me away from AutoX for so long. Once I did the rookie school and met some people, did my first AutoX and had some fun, and got some ridealongs with some guys who are genuinely fast... it's incredible!
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This is my first year too. I have '11 hatch completely stock. What tire pressure should I run?(Dunlop SP Sport 01) I see guys checking tire pressure after every run. How important is tire pressure, and how will low or high tire pressure effect the handling characteristics?
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:43 PM   #10
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This is my first year too. I have '11 hatch completely stock. What tire pressure should I run?(Dunlop SP Sport 01) I see guys checking tire pressure after every run. How important is tire pressure, and how will low or high tire pressure effect the handling characteristics?
At the pro last weekend we ran 55f 50r (100% oem) and it felt about right, they needed at least that to not rollover. YMMV

Everyone has different thoughts on pressure and it really depends on what you like. Make big changes (+\- 5psi) and see how it feels.
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Thanks for the input guys. At least now I have an Idea where to start.
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If you're not going to run R-comps then it would be better to stay in STU - it has a better PAX multiplier if you're competing overall.
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thanks for all the input everyone!

I ran STU and looking at at the rest of the grid, that's probably the best spot for me now... I've got 5 seconds to make up this season, I'm really looking to get somewhere in the top three... as for my own performance, I bested my time but just over 2 seconds by the 4th run... not a bad day...

i'll have video up soon enough! (4 different angles of run time taken)
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If you're not going to run R-comps then it would be better to stay in STU - it has a better PAX multiplier if you're competing overall.
The PAX for STU vs BS is .838 vs .839.... so you're not really giving up TOO much. You can always consider running in a tire class if your region has them.
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