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Old 02-20-2014, 01:24 PM   #1
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Loving my 14 Ice Silver WRX hatch (base head unit and speakers). Not this is a new revelation, but the one glaring thing about the car is the horrible stock sound system. I have owned a lot of cars in the past 20 years, but this one may take the cake for worst stock sounding system. Since I spend quite a bit of time commuting in my car, I want to address the audio system and I have been scouring this board and others on how to tackle this.

Firstly, I did try the stock radio "fix" which levels out the EQ and it did help a little. But not enough.

Next I know the stock receiver just does not have enough power to drive the speakers. So I thought about just adding a 2 channel amp, but the more time I spend with the stock head unit the less impressed I am with it.

I then found the Forester radio thread and thought about ordering a Chinese model off Ebay or from China which gives you a larger screen and gives you the fit and finish of a stock Subaru radio. But for the price, I have determined I would rather spend a little more money and get a better head unit.

Here is what I have purchased to date:

- Speakers. I already owned a set of JL Audio component C5-650 speakers that I got for a screaming deal and have been waiting to use for the past 6 months I love the sound of these speakers. But 15-20 watts max RMS is not going to be enough to get the most out of them. I will keep the stock rear speakers for now. I also have the OEM underseat subwoofer (came with the car, I would not have bought it myself) and am skipping a sub for now. The JL Audio speakers have pretty good bass compared to the stock speakers. I paid $289 for the component C5 650 set which is a great deal on these speakers (they are brand new, not used).

- Stuff. I purchased the 20 pin harness, USB adapter, and Axxess steering wheel controller from SVXdc. What an awesome resource and great around guy. I really want my stock steering wheel controls to work, this was important to me and it looks like the only feature I may lose is voice recognition which I never use. Payment sent and these items should arrive early next week. $91 shipped.

- Head Unit. Regarding the head unit I have done some research. I want something that supports my iPhone, has a built-in HD radio tuner (all of the stations I listen to near me support HD radio and it sounds better to me), RDS, bluetooth, has a good size screen (5-6"), is responsive, and has some hard buttons (tuning, track skip, etc). I narrowed it down to 2-3 units in my price range ($300-400) and I am liking the Pioneer AVH-X3500BHS. Will most likely pull the trigger next week.

- Amp. The JL Audio speakers will require more power than the head unit can provide so I am also looking at buying a 2 channel amp that can output 75-100watts RMS per channel. There are a couple contenders but I am liking the JL Audio JX360/2 right now. The stock head unit can drive the rear speakers.
I still may buy a 4 channel amp for future proofing in case I want to add a better sub. But I am not a bass head at all so will most likely stick with the JL C5's and the stock underseat sub. Will order this in the next week or so.

- Trim. I found a good deal on the US equivalent of the JDM bezel on Ebay for $61 shipped and ordered that already. I want the system to look as OEM as possible and really liked the pictures I have seen with aftermarket double din head units with the JDM or equivalent bezel.

- Sound deadening. My installer is going to add sound deadening material to the front doors. I always do this with my upgrades and it really helps.

I am using a pro installer I have worked with in the past. He has done numerous WRX's and integrated the Axxess control module and he does really good clean work. His price is very reasonable to install everything and he has great support in terms of helping to tune and get the best sound.

Cost for everything so far (assuming I go with the above head unit and amp, and including all install costs, speaker cost, etc) is right at $1300.

A little more than I originally wanted to spend ($1K) but I don't want to short change those speakers by not powering them with an amp.

Will post pics and my thoughts on before and after when the job is done (probably mid March). Would appreciate any constructive feedback or opinions as well. I have not purchased the head unit or the amp yet
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Old 02-21-2014, 11:49 AM   #2
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Oh, and special thanks for SVXdc for pointing this out the USDM part number for the JDM style bezel:
66065SC130

I was going to pay a lot more through Japanparts for the JDM one and found it on Ebay for the USDM one for $61 shipped brand new from a Subaru parts dealer.

I will include a picture once it arrives.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:46 PM   #3
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Okay, looking for some opinions. I was about to pull the trigger on the Pioneer AVH-X3500BHS HU.

Then I found the JVC KW-HDR81BT. The JVC is almost half the price, is double din, has bluetooth, iPhone support, USB, HD radio, etc. It is not a touchscreen so has more buttons and it does not have RDS (the Pioneer does). The Pioneer has a larger screen and is touchscreen and also has more app support, but it seems app support is sketchy at best anyway.

The Pioneer is a little nicer looking IMHO (cleaner with far fewer buttons) but I have also had mixed results with touch screen HU's. In some ways I almost prefer buttons.

I am torn.

Any opinions? If it was a $50-80 difference I would not think twice about getting the Pioneer, but this is a $120 difference in price... That is the price of the amps I am looking at...
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:48 PM   #4
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Got some stuff

Cables and Axxess controller from SVXdc
My JL C5-650's
The JDM style bezel

Ordering a head unit and amp soon. Been researching and am torn on a few models.

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Old 02-26-2014, 01:25 PM   #5
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I want to do the same for my car... are you wiring the BT microphone to the same place the current mic is?
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Old 02-26-2014, 02:41 PM   #6
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I want to do the same for my car... are you wiring the BT microphone to the same place the current mic is?
Probably not. First, I suspect it will be way more work and cost for them to do this (run to current mic location). Second, I am not sure if it is the OEM mic, the stock radio, or mic placement but my wife complains about being able to hear me with this car on my phone. I will see what my installer thinks but I know some people like the mic near the steering column. I definitely want it stealth, but am open to options.
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Old 02-26-2014, 03:08 PM   #7
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Probably not. First, I suspect it will be way more work and cost for them to do this (run to current mic location). Second, I am not sure if it is the OEM mic, the stock radio, or mic placement but my wife complains about being able to hear me with this car on my phone. I will see what my installer thinks but I know some people like the mic near the steering column. I definitely want it stealth, but am open to options.
I heard the same feedback on the OEM mic, not very loud/clear. It certainly wouldnt be too difficult to put an aftermarket mic in the OEM position granted you wanted to get a "little" creative. Mine is just clipped up on the mirror, hardly noticeable, but Im sure the steering column would be nice too.

Build specs look good so far!
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Old 02-26-2014, 03:16 PM   #8
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I heard the same feedback on the OEM mic, not very loud/clear. It certainly wouldnt be too difficult to put an aftermarket mic in the OEM position granted you wanted to get a "little" creative. Mine is just clipped up on the mirror, hardly noticeable, but Im sure the steering column would be nice too.

Build specs look good so far!
Thanks I am a big home theater audio guy and try not to get too crazy with my cars. But I had to do something about the stock sound.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:41 PM   #9
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I was all set to pull the trigger on the Pioneer AVH-X3500BHS since it has a $100 pricepoint drop on Crutchfield due to the newer model (the X3600BHS) being released. I am glad I called Crutchfield to discuss the difference between the two models. They changed the cabling for the new model to connect and use the App Radio features and the new model is significantly cheaper (cable cost) making the $100 price drop a moot difference. And the new model support Siri Eyes Free which I want to try out for sure.

Really like Crutchfield. They know their stuff and assisted in making sure I knew which cables to get for Appradio (the Pioneer website was not updated yet for the 2014 model).

So the receiver and the cables are ordered and should be here early next week. Now I am shopping for an amp....
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Update. I picked up a Rockford Fosgate Punch 300/2 amp. 2 channel 100 watts RMS per channel at 4 ohms should drive the JL Audio speakers nicely. It is also a pretty small amp so mounting under the passenger seat is most likely my first option.

I spoke to the installer for about 20 minutes this week and we walked through everything. I decided to pull the trigger on a backup camera that will integrate with the Pioneer head unit. $200 for the camera and install and 3 year warranty. I debated on this but we have three young kids and a neighborhood full of young families and my house is in a cul-de-sac where all the kids congregate. Last year I backed over a riding toy in my BRZ and it scared me to think it could have been a kid and I am usually careful backing out.

So it is $200 for peace of mind more than anything, and we have a backup camera on our Odyssey and it works great.

I will update the thread on my thoughts on the install as it is slated for tomorrow AM.

I can't wait. The stock sound is killing me
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Are you installing the tweeters in the stock location? I am interested in putting the C5 650's in my car but haven't found out if the tweeters fit. On paper it seems like they will, but who knows once you get everything apart.
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You shouldn't have a problem fitting that amp under your passenger seat. I fit a JL XD700/5 under there with plenty of room and it's wider (the most restrictive dimension during my install). I suggest buying heavy-duty (HD) velcro from a hardware store and just sticking the hook side to the bottom of the amp - it grabs the carpet so tightly I have a hard time getting the amp off, it's not going anywhere!

The backup camera is a fun toy too, lets you really back up close to other cars in parking lots to minimize the amount of time navigating tight areas. I've never needed it to avoid backing over something but I still like having it.

As for "JDM-style bezel", we really ought to start calling it a "double-DIN opening bezel" vs "weird Subaru stereo size opening bezel", as it's available in lots of markets.

DarkProphet: My Focal P165 V15 has very slightly larger tweeters and they fit with a tiny bit of cutting, so you should be good to go with the C5 650 tweeters in the stock spot.
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Are you installing the tweeters in the stock location? I am interested in putting the C5 650's in my car but haven't found out if the tweeters fit. On paper it seems like they will, but who knows once you get everything apart.
Yes the C5's were installed in the stock location. I paid an installer to do it, and he told me they had to do some work to get the C5 650's in there cleanly, but I don't believe the tweeters were an issue.

The stock location is not ideal, but the C5's are a major upgrade over the stock tweeters, they make up the difference
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You shouldn't have a problem fitting that amp under your passenger seat. I fit a JL XD700/5 under there with plenty of room and it's wider (the most restrictive dimension during my install). I suggest buying heavy-duty (HD) velcro from a hardware store and just sticking the hook side to the bottom of the amp - it grabs the carpet so tightly I have a hard time getting the amp off, it's not going anywhere!
Yes, the installer had no issue fitting the amp under the passenger seat

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The backup camera is a fun toy too, lets you really back up close to other cars in parking lots to minimize the amount of time navigating tight areas. I've never needed it to avoid backing over something but I still like having it.
Camera works great. I really like it. I have three very young kids and our neighbodhood is full of young familes and for one reason or another (cul-de-sac) all these kids seem to congregate in my driveway Camera is mostly insurance that I don't back over something, and especially a child.

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As for "JDM-style bezel", we really ought to start calling it a "double-DIN opening bezel" vs "weird Subaru stereo size opening bezel", as it's available in lots of markets.
Good point
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Everything was installed late yesterday, and I will post some pictures as soon as I can take some good shots (it was too dark last night). Initial thoughts with about 2 hours with the radio:

Cliff note version:
- Radio is 200% better. HD radio is nice to have and iTunes tagging is a cool feature I had not used before.
- Bluetooth streaming is better, but not as noticeable as the radio. Have not tries USB yet.
- Pionner 3600BHS head unit is very responsive and intuitive to use, but has a ton of features I have not had time to experiment with yet.
- Have not tried Appradio yet, my priority was radio and iPhone sound quality checks first.
- Axxess steering wheel controller works great. Everything works, and is responsive on the steering wheel (well, voice commands don't work from the steering wheel). Steering wheel works well for radio and iPhone integration. No delays. Everything works well.
- Double din style bezel was worth the money IMHO. The radio looks clean.
- I am on the fence about replacing the OEM undseat sub. The JL speakers really have filled in the midbass nicely, but I do feel like I am lacking for lower bass and the OEM undeseat sub is pretty much a paperweight.
- Sounds deadening helped for sure. I can crank up the speakers as loud as I want with no rattling from the doors.

I will add more as I spend time with the other features of the radio and a more in-depth write-up.
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Old 03-11-2014, 09:47 PM   #17
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Okay, now that I have had everything installed for several days and have had time to familiarize myself with the setup I will share my thoughts and some pics:

- The stock speakers are rated 20watts RMS and 40 watts peak. They are definitely more substantial than some other stock speakers I have seen, but distort and get muddy pretty easily. The JL's C5 650's are rated 75 watts RMS and 225 watts peak. The JL audio woofers feel much more substantial and weigh at least 2 times more. The JL audio tweeters are also more substantial looking, and really the JL speaker should. They cost a good amount. My thoughts over the past week are that the JL's powered by the Rockford Fosgate amp really are a big upgrade all around. HD radio on the Pioneer HU sounds night and day better over the stock HU and stock speakers. Bluetooth sounds considerably better. The JL's can be pushed very hard and I don't detect any distortion. Mid bass is improved considerably, and the tweeters sound crystal clear. The JL's are more neutral sounding that the Hybrid Audio Imagine component speakers I had in my last car. The Hybid's had better bass, but the tweeters were noticeable brighter than the JL's. I would classify the JL C5 650 speakers as a more neutral speaker. Overall I am very happy with the speaker upgrade. I paid $289 for the JL speakers which was a steal considering they were brand new and still under warranty.

- The Pioneer head AVH-X3600BHS head unit is a really nice unit. I find the touchscreen easy to use and intuitive. It is responsive and much faster than the Fujitsu 10 touchscreen unit in my last Subaru. Bluetooth works really well, and the car syncs to my iPhone 5s consistently and typically quickly. The one thing I have noticed, which is true of all touchscreens, is that it is easy to have the screen get washed out with lots of sun/glare. Luckily with the steering wheel controls I can maneuver around without a problem. I have noticed no delay with the Axxess steering when module and this head unit. Everything is working quite well. The 7" screen in the 5600BHS might be nice to have vs the 6.1" but I am not sure I could justify the price difference. HD radio sounds great with this unit and the EQ and other settings make the unit very flexible to find the best sound to your personal preference.

- I have not been able to test the Appradio features because I discovered my installer did not hook up the parking brake wire correctly. That means no DVD's or no Apps. I just get a warning screen and no way to accept the warning. My installer has been great to work with and I have a microbypass cable on order and he will install it for me once it is in.

- My wife says that phone reception over Bluetooth is much better and she can hear me crystal clear. So it does appear that the Pioneer microphone is a better microphone or perhaps the head unit has improved the sound quality. I have had no drops or sync issues. RDS works great and streaming via Bluetooth gives you artist/title info. I have not tried iTunes tagging with the radio yet but will make a note.

- Backup camera works great minus all the dirt and snow and water I have had to clean the lens a few times here as everything is thawing and making a big mess. But the camera works as advertised and is nice to have when I am backing out. Especially for the summer when all the kids are out in full force.

I have a few pics and will update once Appradio is working (should be sometime next week). So far I would say I am quite happy with my purchase. Sound quality is noticeably improved. The radio stations are drastically improved. I might add a dedicated sub (the underseat OEM one is useless) at some point but the next updates to the car will be suspension.

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iTunes streaming via Bluetooth:


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Old 03-12-2014, 03:00 PM   #19
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Yeah.. The installer fixed that. They put the old one (see pics above) and I will take some new pics once the Appradio is working. I am going to use a real camera for pics too vs my phone.
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how is searching for artists in the ipod?
It is easy and responsive. There is an hourglass on the touchscreen. You touch it and from there you can search by artist, album, song, genre, playlist, etc.

I am using Bluetooth streaming and it is very responsive. I would imagine USB would be just as fast/faster.

The other thing I like is that while streaming you can still fully utilize your iPhone touchscreen as well.
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I was all set to pull the trigger on the Pioneer AVH-X3500BHS since it has a $100 pricepoint drop on Crutchfield due to the newer model (the X3600BHS) being released. I am glad I called Crutchfield to discuss the difference between the two models. They changed the cabling for the new model to connect and use the App Radio features and the new model is significantly cheaper (cable cost) making the $100 price drop a moot difference. And the new model support Siri Eyes Free which I want to try out for sure.

Really like Crutchfield. They know their stuff and assisted in making sure I knew which cables to get for Appradio (the Pioneer website was not updated yet for the 2014 model).

So the receiver and the cables are ordered and should be here early next week. Now I am shopping for an amp....
Yep I bought all of my speaker equipment except for the enclosure on Crutchfield. Their customer service is very good and to me worth the extra $$.
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Microbypass installed and Appradio works great. I am a fan of the Waze GPS/Nav app. It is pretty slick. I have not really had any issues with the radio or phone to date and have been happy with the purchase.

Here is a shot with the JDM bezel installed:



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Very nice, I need to finish my audio upgrades soon. I ran with a X5500BHS. Do you have issues with the radio as far as it switching from a HD Digital pick to a Analog(I think that is what it is) and it sounds like the radio gets much weaker?
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Very nice, I need to finish my audio upgrades soon. I ran with a X5500BHS. Do you have issues with the radio as far as it switching from a HD Digital pick to a Analog(I think that is what it is) and it sounds like the radio gets much weaker?
None that I have noticed. For comparison, the Fujitsu 10 head unit I had in my BRZ (which is the same touchscreen/nav unit that is in most of the Subaru models) used to switch from analog to digital and it would be noticeable. I am not sure if the Pioneer has better reception, if the antenna in the WRX is better or what. I also love the album art over the radio station via RDS.

The X5500BHS looks like a great unit. The only thing I don't like about the head unit are the small preset radio buttons on the touchscreen. You can make them larger, but the setting reverts back to the default once you power off the radio and power is back on.

One thing I do like is having the ability when streaming music on my iPhone to still use iTunes on the phone to navigate songs as well as the head unit. Every other head unit I have owned only allows you to use the head unit and the iPhone screen is locked.
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