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Old 03-20-2001, 01:55 PM   #1
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Question SCCA Club Rally - Class vs. Mods Questions

Hello, I'm awaiting delivery of the rulebook, and until it arrives I was hoping some kind soul would be able to answer a few questions for me.

I assume the new WRX would be classed in PGT as it stands when driven off of the dealer lot. Would one be able to add any of the "standard" options (such as wing, performance suspension, short-shift kit etc.) and still remain in PGT?

Assuming the car is classed PGT as delivered, what mods if any are allowed without bumping into open? Pondered upgrades might include: racing seats (I think that's required), DMS suspension, cat-back exhaust, raceline wheels, drilled rotors (stock size)

If I interpret my research correctly, no body kits of any sort are allowed other than what's available from Subaru (the wing is about it I believe). Too bad, because that C-West kit looks killer!

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-Doug
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Old 03-20-2001, 02:10 PM   #2
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I believe everything you mention would be OK, except the drilled brakes and short shift kit, unless they're official factory options.

No wings, except the original one. No body kits, which is just as well since you'd lose it on the first bump.
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Old 03-20-2001, 02:21 PM   #3
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Well on the Subaru web site, they list the short shift kit as an option. Does that make it legit for PGT?

Do they care what sort of guages and instrumentation you add (something like the performance guage pack and maybe 1 or two others)?

Would they care if you yanked the stereo system out completely or does it have to stay as part of the stock interior?

It sounds to me like the new WRX would make an awesome PGT rally car!

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-Doug

Edit: P.S. - Awesome video, Jon!

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Old 03-21-2001, 01:37 AM   #4
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Yes, coilovers are allowed in PGT. Pat Richard won PGT in the USA and Canada last year on DMS, after all.

Dealer installed options are not allowed, only optional equipment that could have been ordered with the car and installed on the factory production line. So the short shift kit would be a no-go.

Drilled brake rotors are definitely illegal and will get you protested faster than anything since it's so easy to check. There's no reason for drilled rotors anyway. Just get good fluid, carbon brake pads and cryo rotors. The power brake booster can be removed and brake lines can be rerouted. Flexible brake hoses can be replaced with aeroquip type. ABS can be disabled but the ABS controller cannot be removed (too bad, it's heavy!)

Exhaust is free from the turbo back as long as you have a functioning catalytic converter. (hint, hint: only one cat is required...)

Racing seats are not required but are a good idea. You can save a lot of weight there.

You can remove the cruise control, anti theft devices, airbags, A/C system, but curiously enough nowhere does it allow you to remove the stereo system! (Pat Richard always drove the stages with Black Sabbath, The Beastie Boys, or Bob Marley cranked.)

Additional guages are allowed.

The only part of the interior you can chuck is the carpets. You can trim interior panels, etc to fit the rollcage.

Motor mounts are free but not the suspension bushings (no Group N bushing kits, not that anyone could tell the difference by looking...)

Clutch material is free.

An engine oil cooler may be added.

Turbo boost is free and you can squirt more fuel into the engine. However, the original airbox and ducting must be retained as well as the OEM filter (ie: no K&N filters.)

That's a quick overview of the allowed modifications. The rulebook covers more details.

Notice that there is no turbo restrictor required in PGT and boost and fuel is free. A PGT car could be made to have more power than a Group N car. In fact the PGT car is allowed a larger turbo inlet than Open class since the stock WRX turbo inlet is 41.6mm (Open class requires 40mm.) Mind you the transmission is questionable at increased (or even stock) power levels and cannot be upgraded.

Everything above refers to SCCA rules. Canadian rules are quite different in several areas.

-DC

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Old 03-21-2001, 08:06 AM   #5
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Thanks Dave! Yes we'll have your 50's on there - Are you going to throw in a sticker for me?

As it stands the car's going to go faster than I am, so I'm more interested in handling mods than making more horsepower.

There's a "Performance Suspension" option and a "ProDrive Wing" option- does anybody know if those are factory or dealer options? The only thing out of the performance suspension I'd want would be the aluminum control arms and bushings, and the wing is just plain cool.

Then there's the problem of finding a co-driver and a few good men (or women) to help hold everything together...

Thanks again for the information.

-Doug
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Old 03-21-2001, 09:13 AM   #6
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Are ANY of the WRX options from the factory? I thought that, like the RS, all cars come off the ship equipped the same, and the options are installed either at port or at the dealer.
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