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Old 07-31-2011, 04:13 PM   #1
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Question Black car (shows everything)

I have a black Subaru and it shows everything, there are marks on it but a insane amount but enough that its noticeable, is there anything I can do to cover it up? I have tried touch up and im awful at it because the lines are scratches are soo thin! Anyone have any help on how to touch up a black car and not have it be super noticeable? Thanks a lot in advance
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Old 07-31-2011, 04:31 PM   #2
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Are the scratches through the black paint or just the clear coat? Pics would help, as your description of the condition of the paint is confusing and vague. If the marks can't be compounded and/or sanded away then I would purchase a kit from Dr. Colorchip and do some research on the techniques for applying it to long, thin scratches. I would go more in depth but I would need a better idea of the condition of your paint and the defects/scratches. Where are you located? I would maybe try locating a reputable, quality auto detailer if you need some compounding/polishing done. Pics please
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Old 07-31-2011, 08:32 PM   #3
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black is a hard color to work with, keeping the car perfect is hard. polish two times a year min, use a quality sealant, and most of all prep time is key before a wax. im not too sure what you're looking to do..
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Old 08-01-2011, 12:39 PM   #4
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Use dawn liquid soap to get all the wax and crap off. Then use turtle wax BLACK BOX..... It has black tint to it in everystep u have to do.. The wax is black so is the cleaner wax. Make sure u use all new towels and throw them away after u are done. Works great. Used it on my 09.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:09 PM   #5
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I hear Subarus have notoriously thin paint. I got a couple paint chips here and there. As for the swirlies, they have to be removed by a polisher. It's not a hard thing to do.

I removed my swirlies once I got the car home. Check out this blog post of mine. It will give you an idea of how much work you need to do.
http://machinezealots.blogspot.com/2...r-details.html

Sometimes you have to accept the fact that black cars are hard to take care of. But they look SOoooooooooooooo good on cloudy days and night time
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:55 PM   #6
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Poorboy's World Dark Paint Perfection Kit! It contains everything you need to wash your car, polish away mild defects, fill in defects to make them less noticeable(if at all visible), and seal in the glaze and protect the finish. Poorboy's World Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Paint is included in the kit and is a true glaze that fills in fine scratches, swirls, etc. People use this product on paint they don't want to polish anymore or don't have the time to, to get vehicles ready for car shows. And it last well past the show. So that should tell you something.
I don't recommend(and neither do most detailer and paint manufacturers) using dish detergent on your cars paint. Over time it will strip the essential oils from the paint causing it to dry out and haze prematurely. If in a pinch you can use Dawn, but don't make a practice of it. Anytime you would use a detergent (product designed to strip away grease/wax) on your paint you have to reapply a wax/sealant to nourish the paint and replace the protection you stripped away. Just keep these things in mind when not using products that are not strictly car shampoos/conditioners. There are car shampoos designed to remove wax/LSPs to give you a clean base to start with, i.e. Finish Kare #1119 Soil & Coating Remover/ Wax & Detail Pre-Cleaner; this product especially requires waxing afterwards. You can also use a pre-wax cleansing lotion/polish for this step which will clean the paint, polish away fine defects, and fill in fine scratches/swirls all at the same time. There are a number of products out there that will help you do what you want much better than the TW black box. Not knocking TW but all the products offered on AutoGeek are tested and designed for professional use and achieving a true show car finish. I would recommend using the Poorboy's World kit as there products are designed to be used in the sun or shade and are very user friendly, and get great reviews, always. Stay away from regular touch up paint kit as they will not blend as well as the Dr. Colorchip kit.
If you are working by hand you are going to have a hard time removing swirls and defects from the clear coat. That being said, the Poorboy's World Black Hole Glaze would be one of the best options for you.
BTW, where are you located? Thinking I could locate a detailer for you in your area from one of the forums. Trying to help
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Old 08-01-2011, 11:00 PM   #7
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Thanks everyone. Im going to be buying the turtle wax BLACK BOX. :P Trying that out, then im also bringing it to a auto detailer, to see what he can do
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Old 08-01-2011, 11:27 PM   #8
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just make sure to have a lot of towels and applicators for the black box..all the contents are black and they dont come out of the towel fabric..i tried washing but no luck
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Old 08-03-2011, 09:31 AM   #9
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It's funny. Everyone I seem to know thinks that a black car stays cleaner looking than any other paint color. I disagree. If you take an equally dirty black car and white car and put them next to each other the white one will look MUCH cleaner.

I have both, a black WRX and a white STi. The white STi, even when dirty, looks perfectly clean if you stand ten feet away. The black WRX shows everything.
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:01 PM   #10
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I have a black Subaru and it shows everything, there are marks on it but a insane amount but enough that its noticeable, is there anything I can do to cover it up? I have tried touch up and im awful at it because the lines are scratches are soo thin! Anyone have any help on how to touch up a black car and not have it be super noticeable? Thanks a lot in advance
1. black cars are hardest to maintain. but in my opinion, the most rewarding
2. when you say "thin scratch lines" maybe you are referring to swirl marks? as pictured below. regardless, anything not deep can be corrected. google or search "paint correction" or how to use compound or polish.

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Old 08-03-2011, 04:13 PM   #11
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The OBP (obsidian black pearl) paint sucks. I've corrected mine twice, and both times after meticulous washes with clean mf towels, it ends up looking like it did before.

At this point I've given up. The next time I correct the paint will probably be when I go to sell it.
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Old 08-03-2011, 06:39 PM   #12
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This guy does an amazing write up on paint correction. http://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-P...c-auto-detail/

I am going to buy everything that guy uses and follow those steps because his work is so professional! But yes this is definitely a place to start! Good luck!
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:28 PM   #13
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It's funny. Everyone I seem to know thinks that a black car stays cleaner looking than any other paint color. I disagree. If you take an equally dirty black car and white car and put them next to each other the white one will look MUCH cleaner.

I have both, a black WRX and a white STi. The white STi, even when dirty, looks perfectly clean if you stand ten feet away. The black WRX shows everything.
Yes until you clean one spot on that white car then you realize it is supposed to be white not gray. White will however hide actual defects much better than black because white light reflecting off white paint is obviously not as noticeable as white light reflecting/refracting off black(dark colored) paint.
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Old 08-04-2011, 05:15 PM   #14
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This guy does an amazing write up on paint correction. http://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-P...c-auto-detail/

I am going to buy everything that guy uses and follow those steps because his work is so professional! But yes this is definitely a place to start! Good luck!
Not saying the you can't achieve those results by using what Todd does, but he didn't pick up all the tools and products he uses one day and start putting out Pebble Beach finishes. He probably did though on the second day though.
As he said, he tested a few combos out before settling on what polish and pad to use to achieve the results he was looking for on that particular car's finish. While the softness of that Ferrari's paint and your Subaru's may be similar, you may not need to start with an orange cutting pad to get started. Maybe you do though, but you always want to start with a less aggressive pad and work your way up. Like Todd said, the idea is to remove the defects while keeping as much of the paint/clear coat intact as possible. Once paint is gone you can't just put it back on.
The point is don't start off using a rotary polisher because a professional made it look so easy. As you notice, Todd used the Porter-Cable DA for a lot of the car, as it is safer and easier to handle. And you can always go back and use the rotary to remove defects the DA couldn't as easily, but, you can never go back and put paint back on with a DA that the rotary took off. Practice practice practice! That is the name of the game to get to the level of a professional. And take in as much info on techniques as you can and practice those techniques on paint you don't care about before going after your, or someone else's pride-n-joy.
Happy detailing!
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:30 AM   #15
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The OBP (obsidian black pearl) paint sucks. I've corrected mine twice, and both times after meticulous washes with clean mf towels, it ends up looking like it did before.

At this point I've given up. The next time I correct the paint will probably be when I go to sell it.
I concur..I've only had my OBP since Feb and it seems like the more I try to take care of it, 3x more problems occur, not to mention the warm sunny days with dark cars....
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Old 08-09-2011, 03:58 AM   #16
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Thumbs up Maybe this will help

for small clear coat scratches a good hand wax will do the trick the touch up paint now has a pen on the end for thin scratches. some people say the pen doesnt work but if you heat it up with a lighter and then keep scribbling in a napkin or something the paint will eventually come out. a good soft clay bar can get tree sap and stuff like that off but other than that thats all i can thing of. hope that helped and sorry if it didnt.

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Old 08-09-2011, 05:27 AM   #17
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get your paint corrected by a pro detailer then have it Opti-Coated.
Sorry fastwrxlvr, wax will not remove even fine clear coat scratches unless said wax contains some sort of abrasive to polish fine scratches away. If a wax does cover up any defects, they will just show up again after the next wash or sooner.
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Old 08-14-2011, 01:19 PM   #18
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Thanks everyone. Im going to be buying the turtle wax BLACK BOX. :P Trying that out, then im also bringing it to a auto detailer, to see what he can do
How did the black box work out for you? My girlfriend has a 10 year old black Camry that I don't ever got a wax job. I am thinking about picking up the black box and spending the weekend detailing her car.
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Old 08-18-2011, 01:48 PM   #19
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I used the turtle black box on my OBP and works perfect....
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Old 08-21-2011, 05:11 PM   #20
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I fully detail mine 3 times a year. Get great results from the products I've used.

Wash with Meg Gold Class
Clay Bar
Re-Wash
Poorboy's Polish n Sealant
Poorboy's World Black Hole Glaze.
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Old 09-23-2011, 04:21 PM   #21
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Pinnacle Souveran wax is amazing and is specially formulated for dark color cars ...
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:57 PM   #22
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ok im not getting technical enough nor do i feel like it, essentially if the scratches are bad or not before you spend a bunch of money try hand waxing be carefull with buffers and see if that does the trick, it doesnt hurt to try that
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Old 08-28-2012, 10:21 PM   #23
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Hate to be gruff about it, but I'm gonna have to jump on the "maybe you shouldn't have bought a black car" bandwagon...

I, likewise, Have a black Impreza. I loved my decision on day 1 of ownership, and have regretted it every day since.

Being 30, I'm no longer at a point in my life where the quality of the finish on my car is a determinant of my ego, but a part of me dies a little every time I see another scratch or ding.

Indeed, my car is chock full of scratches and dents, and only looks good from a distance of ten feet or greater. Oh well, lesson learned. Silver next time perhaps.
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Old 08-29-2012, 02:29 AM   #24
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is it even possible to stop chips and strips?

black looks awesome, it sure looks nice at some time and point. still a car but hey things like that happen to cars.

i'm getting mine soon. what should i do for snow conditions. i have to deal with salt!
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:57 PM   #25
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I agree 100% with Jason06iwagon. Although I didn't have much of a choice, the dealer only had one white and one black wrx left. I choose black and love it for about 2 days until it got dirty. I finally had to face reality that my car would only look its best an hour after a wash.

Now I have some weird ghosting that looks like some drips on my drivers side. I tried to hand polish it out and no go. On to heavier equipment
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