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Old 03-22-2001, 12:34 AM   #1
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Question 1/2" Track Difference That Big a Deal?

(Try to follow my thoughts, maybe hard but bear with me for a sec...)

Ok so I have finally submitted to MAYBE wanting to get a Wagon for the sleeper qualities in it. Does that 1/2" per side on the Sedan really make much of a difference for auto-x/Solo/etc???

Sorry I am not one very skilled in setup, I do realize that Pontiac has a point with the "Wider is Better" ads, but at what point does it make any significant difference?

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Old 03-22-2001, 01:25 AM   #2
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No, i dont think the .5 in. differnce in track will be that noticable.
From what ive heard from some Japanese magazines, tey say that the wagon actually handles BETTER then teh sedan becuase it has a better balanced front rear weight distrobution, and is alot smoother in transition, and drifts much smoother. Although keep in mind that is from the JDM WRX, and not the USDM WRX. But i thinkt eh same will hold true here as well.

The "Wide Track" Pontiac's are a marketing ploy. The "Wide Track" is nothing more then a trim level option. The suspension on a plane jane Grand Prix is exactly the same as the Wide Tracks. Gotta love marketing.
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Old 03-22-2001, 01:36 AM   #3
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The "Wide Track" Pontiac's are a marketing ploy.
I am aware of this, the fact that wider is betetr is more what I was referring to.

Now as far as the weight deal goes I have been told by more than one Audi driver that the a4 avants are supposed to be almost perfect 50/50 whilest the plain sedans are more like 57/43 or something off.. I have seen the wagons run and they all brag because they are "soooo balanced." When you look at the weights then figure even 55/45 that's still a 300# bias to the rear...

Hopefully more people will answer up during the day, and sorry in advance that my replies and thanks won't be up until later tomorrow night ...

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Old 03-22-2001, 06:38 AM   #4
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I'll attest to the weight balance of the wagons.

My 93 touring wagon is very manageable out on the autocross course and with simple and reasonable suspension modifications as well as good tires, it's within a second of all RSes on a 35-second course even when it had a power and weight disadvantage.
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Old 03-23-2001, 03:46 AM   #5
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TTT Just once before the weekend, and Hopefully I can get somemore feedback..

What are the honest opinions... Same driver, just car vs car of the RS vs. WRX (Wagon or Sedan)???

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Old 03-23-2001, 06:20 AM   #6
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I think this came up a while back, but I still think it's important for those considering the wagon.
I think it would take a very good/sensitive driver to be able to tell the difference in track width. Now I'm sure you could tell the difference in weight, or balance, but and inch on the width.... not likely. If I did the math right, that a difference of only 1.3%!
I'm getting the wagon for the same reasons as a lot of the other people. It's a sleeper, and it's got way more utility. If the sedans rear seats folded down, then it might be a little more difficult to decide, but even then I think I'd get the wagon.
In auto-x it all about the driver, get the wagon.
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Old 03-23-2001, 06:23 AM   #7
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Balance is a good thing, but less weight is better. To a certain extent-- my point here is that the WRX wagon does not have a significantly better F/R weight balance than the sedan... It does however weigh more.

Plus the sedan has those ridiculously huge blistered fenders, which will come into use anywhere after stock class. In stock class a 225/50-16 is all that will fit the stock 16x6.5 rim and it should work fine on both cars.
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Colin,

Hopefully you return here to read and respond... But I have heard yet another rumor from one of the local reps (not salesmen) that the Wagon should have the wider fenders before the year's run is done... He claimed it was a production thing... They didn't have the time to start with both all nce and fat...

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Old 03-23-2001, 07:11 AM   #9
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That salesman is full of crap.
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Old 03-23-2001, 07:55 AM   #10
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I agree he was (like I said not salesman though) but I still don't understand why they didn't make them the same...

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I disagree that the track width wouldn't make a difference. If it wasn't noticeable, why would they have gone to the trouble to make the 22B track width wider?

If I remember correctly, the WRX sedan has the same track as the 22B. Hmmmm... could be wrong on that, but it's definitely closer to the 22B than the old style was.
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Old 03-24-2001, 08:34 AM   #12
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Porter, et al

Ok since I am at home on my crappy dial-up I'm not going searching all over. I went straight to 22b.com and it reads that the front and rear track were 40mm/80mm wider respectively. 40 = about 1.5" so 80 would be nearly 3" difference.

What I had asked about is not the difference between the old RS and the new wagon, but the difference between the new sedan and wagon. Whereas the front is just under and inch overall and the rear is exactly an inch. Though this does help to point a comparison out.

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