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Old 03-23-2001, 07:52 AM   #1
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Post Catalunya - Not looking good

God what's going on with Burnsie he is not on today.
1. 15 PURAS-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 1h02'44"900 96.6 km/h 1 1
2. 14 BUGALSKI-CHIARO Citroen Xsa A8 1h02'53"600 + 00'08"70 2 2
3. 2 AURIOL-GIRAUDET Peugeot 206 A8 1h02'56"100 + 00'11"20 3 3
4. 16 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 1h03'03"400 + 00'18"50 4 4
5. 7 MAKINEN-MANNISE Mitsubishi A8 1h03'09"000 + 00'24"10 5 5
6. 8 LOIX-SMEETS Mitsubishi A8 1h03'36"400 + 00'51"50 6 6
7. 17 DELECOUR-GRATAL Ford Focus A8 1h03'52"800 + 01'07"90 7 7
8. 3 SAINZ-MOYA Ford Focus A8 1h03'56"400 + 01'11"50 8 8
9. 18 MARTIN-PARK Subaru Impr A8 1h04'05"100 + 01'20"20 9 9
10. 12 THIRY-PREVOT Skoda Octa A8 1h04'09"900 + 01'25"00 10 10
11. 11 SCHWARZ-HIEMER Skoda Octav A8 1h04'21"300 + 01'36"40 11 11
12. 5 BURNS-REID Subaru Impr A8 1h04'36"200 + 01'51"30 12 12
13. 10 McRAE-SENIOR Hyundai Acc A8 1h04'36"300 + 01'51"40 13 13
14. 9 LIATTI-CASSINA HyundaiI Ac A8 1h04'51"700 + 02'06"80 14 14

It's still early in the race though. Come on Burnsie!


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Old 03-23-2001, 07:55 AM   #2
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Solberg was looking good until he crashed out on SS3.
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Old 03-23-2001, 07:58 AM   #3
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i told you guys the citroens would be up there in the leader board but you wont belleive me.
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Old 03-23-2001, 08:00 AM   #4
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sadly the Roo is not an awesome tarmac car...

let's just watch and wait....

and hope...

and pray...

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Old 03-23-2001, 09:16 AM   #5
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Result after SS6 and the 1st Leg.
1. 15 PURAS-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 1h02'44"900 96.6 km/h 1 1
2. 14 BUGALSKI-CHIARO Citroen Xsa A8 1h02'53"600 + 00'08"70 2 2
3. 2 AURIOL-GIRAUDET Peugeot 206 A8 1h02'56"100 + 00'11"20 3 3
4. 16 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Peugeot 206 A8 1h03'03"400 + 00'18"50 4 4
5. 7 MAKINEN-MANNISE Mitsubishi A8 1h03'09"000 + 00'24"10 5 5
6. 8 LOIX-SMEETS Mitsubishi A8 1h03'36"400 + 00'51"50 6 6
7. 21 CANELLAS-SANCHI Seat Cordob A8 1h03'48"800 + 01'03"90 7 7
8. 17 DELECOUR-GRATAL Ford Focus A8 1h03'52"800 + 01'07"90 8 8
9. 3 SAINZ-MOYA Ford Focus A8 1h03'56"400 + 01'11"50 9 9
10. 18 MARTIN-PARK Subaru Impr A81h04'05"100 + 01'20"20 10 10
11. 12 THIRY-PREVOT Skoda Octa A8 1h04'09"900 + 01'25"00 11 11
12. 11 SCHWARZ-HIEMER Skoda Octav A8 1h04'21"300 + 01'36"40 12 12
13. 19 JEAN JOSEPH-BOY Peugeot 206 A8 1h04'24"700 + 01'39"80 13 13
14. 22 LOPES-LISBOA Peugeot 206 A8 1h04'28"600 + 01'43"70 14 14
15. 5 BURNS-REID Subaru Impr A8 1h04'36"200 + 01'51"30 15 15
16. 10 McRAE-SENIOR Hyundai Acc A8 1h04'36"300 + 01'51"40 16 16
17. 20 CLIMENT-ROMANI Toyota Coro A8 1h04'36"800 + 01'51"90 17 17
18. 9 LIATTI-CASSINA HyundaiI Ac A8 1h04'51"700 + 02'06"80 18 18
19. 24 BLAZQUEZ-MERCAD Seat Cordob A8 1h05'04"100 + 02'19"20 19 19
20. 78 MORTL-EICHHORNE Subaru Impr A8 1h05'10"600 + 02'25"70 20 20

Down but not out.? The EVOs are doing better and they are just as big as the Impreza.

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Old 03-23-2001, 09:45 AM   #6
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This is the first outing for the Xsara is it not? Doing pretty well, maybe a tarmac biased car?

And Thiry is not doing as well as expected, he is among the best on tarmac.
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Old 03-23-2001, 09:55 AM   #7
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Yes, Subaru looks to be off the pace,I think thay may need to drop Pirelli and go with Michelin. I think thay should be in the top 5. not the top 15 ??? RALLY ON ///////
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Old 03-23-2001, 10:56 AM   #8
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ROTFLMAO!!!

I feel i need to quote myself from the previous Catalunya thread...

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My prediction...Solberd out before the end of Leg1 from an off, and "Burnsy" out by Leg2 with mechanical difficulties.
Peugeot and Ford will take this one. Most likly Sainze or Auriol on top.
And look whos right behind the Citroen Xsara's? Auriol. Can i call it or what? Ill admit though i had completely forgot about Citroen entering this rally.
Remember Citroen trounced the WRC cars in their F2 kit-car versions of the Xsara two years ago. And that led to the strict regulations of the F2 class. Becuase for all intensize purposes the F2 kit-cars where far more powerful then teh WRC cars. And their only drawback was the fact that they had FF drivetrains. Basically Citroen built a N/A touring car, put a sump guard, and heavy duty suspension on it. And sent it off to "rally" on the tarmac. It was a completely purpose built tarmac rally car. So it makes sence that they would be doing so well with the WRC version. It will be interesting to see how they do on gravel.

Haha, man i love it when i nail a rally before it starts.
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Old 03-23-2001, 11:23 AM   #9
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from offical FIA press resease:

Subaru
Technical: Richard Burns lost time when his Impreza WRC2001's gearbox
malfunctioned in the second and third stages this morning. The unit
was changed at lunchtime service as a result. Markko Martin hit
problems in the same stage when his car's ignition cut-off stalled
his engine.

Sporting: Richard Burns held a top-six placing after the first stage
but dropped out of contention when he hit gearbox problems on the
very next test. A broken wheel cost him even more time this afternoon.
His team-mate Petter Solberg fared worse - the young Norwegian set
respectable times in SS1 and SS2, but then slid off the road, into a
ditch and into retirement in SS3. The other works Impreza driver,
Markko Martin, felt his car's handling was unpredictable on the first
stage and he lost time with ignition cut-off problems in SS2, but he
stayed in touch with the top ten regardless.

Quotes: Richard Burns: "The gearbox started to select neutral of its
own accord. At the end of SS2 and SS3 I had to lock the gearbox in fifth
to keep going, and I spun at one hairpin when I arrived in fifth gear."

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Old 03-23-2001, 11:36 AM   #10
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Is this going to be on speedvision or some other domestic (US) channel? I really want to watch this one.

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Old 03-23-2001, 11:38 AM   #11
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Now wait a minute--you guys are being too hard on them. The new Impreza isn't about absolute performance. It's about an Audi A4 level of performance, comfort, fit and finish. Ask Burns how he likes the additional headroom and legroom. I'm sure they're also enjoying the more supple ride. There's less wind noise, too, so Burns and Reid will arrive at service much more relaxed and comfortable.
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Old 03-23-2001, 11:45 AM   #12
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Lol, if they're in more comfort then they have no excuse for not being able to focus. Before they could gripe about it for an excuse but they'll have to find a new one now. Maybe they're worried about the foot-and-mouth thing. I heard one stage has no fans or media allowed because it goes past a pig farm. I think there was something about it on the speedvision site.

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Old 03-23-2001, 03:18 PM   #13
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Check out these links...look at the top finishes.
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/m...nya/index.html
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/m...rse/index.html


Becuase of these two rallys, they inacted the restrictions of F2 kit-cars. Mostly the biggest problem was that, the cars, while not drawing Manufactures points, where taking of sead's for drivers title points. So no driver could get maximum points by placing behind the kit cars. However the manufactures could get maximum points. I remember Didier Auriol was nearly to the point of a fist fight over it. He was very displeased.

f you look back the year previous to this at the Tour de Course, it was the Peugeot 306 Maxi's and Renault Maxi Megane's that where tearing up the tarmac. With the 306 taking severl overall wins, and the Megane dicing in the top 5 constantly, but never taking a overall victory.

If your curious about how a kit car could compete with a WRC class car. Its really quite simple. First off, the engines are N/A rather then turbo charged. This allows for MUCH higher RPM. Where a WRC class engine may start to choke at around 7,000 RPM because of the limits of the turbo, a N/A engine is just starting to maek its peak HP, and will rev clear up to 11,000 RPM. Without a turbo, the engine has no turgo lag, so the revs are more consistant across the RPM range. Very helpful on the tight twisties of a tarmac rally. The engines where also 2.2L rather then the 2.0L of the WRC engines. Doesnt sound like much, but that extra 200cc can mean a considerable amount. Especially in the torque department, allowing the engine to be bored a little bigger, or even stroked a little longer. The engine also had no sort of restriction on the intake. The cars actually made more noise coming tword you, then going away, because of that. There engine where preaty beefy. 250+ hp, with over 250 ft.lbs of torque. Add that much engine to a 7 speed sequential gear box, that is perfectly spaced, and drop that into a mostly carbon fibre monocoque chassis with a tubular subframe, and you have a car that weighs maybe 1600 lbs, and makes jsut about any WRC car look like an LTD. The advantage of the WRC cars was alot more torque, 4WD, and more suspension tavel. Thats why you rarly ever saw kit cars on gravel stages. And then companys like citroen would make special kit crs, solely designed for tarmac running, and completely clean house with them.

Look at the current standing of the rally. There is a Citroen Saxo, 1600 kit car, that is leading nearly 10 seconeds ahead of the fastest Group-N car (which happens to be a subaru oddly enough for once). So you can draw a conclusion from that of just how nuts kit-cars really are.
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Old 03-24-2001, 12:18 AM   #14
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Ha, i wish Audi had an A4 WRC car...dude that would be sweet. Like the Group-B days all over again!

I still stick to my statements of how it will finish. Darn Citroen for screwing up my prediction. Oh well, i forgot they where gonan be there.
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Old 03-24-2001, 12:26 AM   #15
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Buck-O:

I was kinda wondering about that. I don't know much about the Cits, but they look like Touring cars...

Jon:

Too funny!!
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Old 03-24-2001, 12:28 AM   #16
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not a tarmac car?! Burns took second on this very rally last year. i think the car is more than capable of perfoming, if it would just stop breaking.
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Old 03-24-2001, 12:50 AM   #17
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I think Subaru should just go back to the Impreza WR 2000. This piggy sucks!!! I'm getting annoyed man.
I was reading 1999's rally report magazine from Subaru and it showed so many victories. <sigh>
Bring back Juha Kankkunen!!!
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