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Old 03-23-2001, 09:15 AM   #1
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Question WRX ok in STS/R?

Is it? The rulebook says that small displacement turbo sedans (such as the 1.8t cars) are allowed, but does anybody know if the WRX qualifies?

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Old 03-23-2001, 09:17 AM   #2
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Email the STAC and National Staff, see what they say. Can't hurt to ask, although I seriously doubt the WRX will be added to the list of allowed turbo cars.
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Old 03-23-2001, 03:12 PM   #3
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I heard mention that it goes into SM if you modify it.
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Old 03-23-2001, 04:07 PM   #4
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I would really like to know what they consider factory options and what they consider modifications. Take for instance the performance suspension- it includes aluminum control arms, bushings, and different springs/struts. Is that a factory option and therefore legal or is it a dealer installed option therefore a modification? Enquiring minds want to know! (and so do I)

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Old 03-23-2001, 04:20 PM   #5
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As of 2001 rules, the WRX is not legal in STS. It would be fine in SM.

With regard to "legal modifications/options", i assume your reffering to stock class.

Only options available from the factory are legal. Dealer installed options are not legal in stock, hence no 17" wheels for the WRX. BMW offers a sport suspension on the 3-series that includes springs, struts, and bars. Since you can order this from the factory, it is an option.

Unfortunately Subaru does not offer a sports suspension. And STi parts do not count. If they did...then there would be nothing stopping say Honda, to offer "genuine Honda" coil over systems, or Dodge to offer a "genuine Mopar" sport cams for the Neon.

Just because a car company has a picture of a performance part in an accessory catalog, shouldn't mean it legal in stock classes.

We have a copy of the stock class and STS rules on our web site:
http://www.subrew.com/setup_classrules.html

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Old 03-23-2001, 05:06 PM   #6
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WRX is not legal in STS/R.

They specifically allowed the lower pressure turbos because they do not have the higher output as the WRX does. If the WRX were allowed it would have been put on the inclusion list.

This was discussed last year at Nationals. It is believed that a well sorted STS RS still has more HP and capability than a well sorted turbo 1.8t.

Even though STS is a real class now, they are testing the waters with the turbos this year. It's a wait and see how they do kinda thing. If the turbo's consitently romp on the N/A cars, then this may be the only year they are allowed.

One thing I suspect is the consistant winners who drive turbos in STS/R will be scrutinized and inspected in some regions for aftermarket ECU's that control boost, as boost control is specifically not allowed in STS/R. (Not a slap on the wrist either)

Street Mod? Sure! Go for it! (I'll be there next year anyways)

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Old 03-23-2001, 05:23 PM   #7
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Anybody else notice in the last SEB minutes that they've added the Mazda 323 GTX and GT on the ST inclusion list? Those could be pretty cool little cars to run...

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17) Street Touring: per the STAC, add to Section 17.10.D: "All STS vehicles must comply with the Federal 49-state safety and tailpipe emissions test requirements as a minimum." Comment: this is an Errors and Omissions item; emissions compliance was formerly required in STS by K.V.A.18.

18) Street Touring: per the STAC, add after the second sentence of the fourth paragraph of Section 17.1.B: "Update/backdate must be done as a complete unit as available from the factory, including those items required by emissions regulations for a particular configuration. Example: the Neon throttle body used on automatic transmission cars cannot be used on a manual transmission car."

19) Street Touring: per the STAC, add to the list of approved vehicles: Mazda GTX (awd), Mazda 323 GT, Volvo S40 and V40, VW Passat 1.8T.

20) Street Touring: per the STAC, add as new Section 17.3.C: "Section 13.3.F is not applicable to the Street Touring rules."

21) Street Touring: per the STAC, add to 17.11.B: "Sections 17.3.b and 17.3.c do not apply to STR."
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Old 03-23-2001, 05:37 PM   #8
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with mods you can go play in DSP. Don't know how competitive a WRX would be, but it's all for fun anyway
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Old 03-23-2001, 05:50 PM   #9
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Go to http://www.sccaforums.com and ask the Rules guys...Don't think its legal...especially when JUN or MINES bring in their ECU for the WRX...Opps..I wasn't suppose to say anything about that..
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Old 03-24-2001, 02:43 PM   #10
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DCH,
Factory or Dealer option is just that.

If it rolls out of the factory that way then its factory, If car is delivered to dealer and then dealer installs it, they consider it a dealer option.

(edit for clearity)
In other words if the factory shop guys put it on AT the factory plant, its a Factory option...
If a dealership mechanic puts it on... its considered a dealership option.

STi version legal??... If the STi parts that make it the STi WRX are put on and comes out of the facorty "as a comlete unit" (comlete car) that way... Yes. It is a stock STi WRX. i.e. Stock Integra type-R, Stock SVT series,..
All the above is assuming that STi Impreza's are going to be assemble with STi part at the factory.

So, is a WRX with all or any of the standard STi parts put on by yourself or dealer still leagal in stock class... No.



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Old 03-24-2001, 03:07 PM   #11
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Reiflex- That part I get What I want to know, is which options out of
  • ProDrive Wing
  • Performance suspension
  • Short-shifter
are factory options and which are dealer options?

-Doug

Edit: First time using the list thingie...

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Old 03-24-2001, 03:45 PM   #12
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( I just edit my message before I read your reply above)

I know the Prodrive Wing is not factory(unless you car is the P1)
since the wing will be cosmetic (no benifit for autocross) You can ask the officials to allow it. But if you start winning and a whiner starts complain about the wing ...

Performance suspention ... Don't know if the factory puts or can put it on at the factory for the US 2002 WRX. If it is or can be.. then yes it's leagal in stock class

The Short Shift Kit (the STi one right?) ..
If it's or can be put on at the Factory, yes. But last time I asked the dealer about the kit(for the RS) The dealership orders the part & installs that themselve when the cars get there... so as to date .. No.


Ask and get in writing form the Dealer or SOA whether or not thoes options are or can be install for YOUR trim (RS, WRX, STi WRX)of car, so the officals and other know you car is (or isn't :/ ) legal in stock class.




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