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Old 08-08-2011, 01:51 PM   #1
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Regardless of what its makers hope and despite its extraordinary specification, a drive in the Fisker Karma does not feel like a glimpse into the future. This is largely because for the most part driving this ground-breaking new car is such an abidingly normal experience. It is only when you climb from the Karma back into the old world that the more revealing sight hoves into view: one that now feels substantially like the past.
What can we surmise from this? Only that the cleverest thing about this ever so clever car is not its twin 201bhp electric motors, its 260bhp petrol engine/generator nor even its 20kWh lithium ion battery pack. It is its timing.
What’s it like?

Architecturally the Karma’s closest rival is the Mercedes CLS. Conceptually it’s out on its own. Running on electric power alone, no Rolls-Royce ever felt as effortless as this. Although maximum performance comes only when you select Sport and let the petrol engine kick in, so blaring is its noise it’s greatest talent is for shattering your tranquillity. Internally this unworthy ex-Pontiac engine is known as ‘the dragon’, and they don’t mean it kindly.
So turn it off, put up with merely fleet rather than truly fast and let it waft. Sit back and soak up the fine ride and survey the simple, stylish, sustainable interior. In here there are lessons for all manufacturers to learn.
Just don’t expect too much. The Karma is unique among four door cars in making an Aston Rapide feel spacious, nor is there enough space in the disappointingly shallow boot. We also experienced minor software glitches on an early but not pre-production car.
It’s important too to understand what kind of car this is. Visually it might carry overtones of both BMW Z8 and Aston Vantage (Henrik Fisker styled both), but this is no sports car. It’s a massively heavy cruiser with an immense wheelbase, and despite a centre of gravity lower than a Ford GT’s, it feels it. ‘Cumbersome’ is not too strong a word to describe its low speed handling, though the electro-hydraulic steering is lovely and high speed stability and poise beyond reproach.
Should I buy one?

So, serious drivers, look away now for this car is not for you. But let us say you live outside London but work in the City. Your daily commute is 40 miles of usually hellish traffic. You can afford the congestion charge but hate paying it. You want a car of timeless elegance and outstanding efficiency to soothe you there and back. There would be no better weapon for this journey.
Except for this. The Karma is so chock-full of widgetry Fisker lacked either the will or way to make right-hand drive even a possibility. So you’re either going to pay £87,000 for a leftie, or sit back in some other chair and enjoy it only vicariously from your disadvantaged position in the past.
Of course the irony is that Britain is chock-full of all the conditions in which the Karma excels. For the two to live as strangers is to deny this flawed but fascinating newcomer the very environment that would likely show its manifest talent to greatest effect.
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Price: £87,000, left hand drive only; Top speed: 125mph (limited); 0-60mph: 5.9sec; Economy: 67mpg; Co2: 87g/100km; Kerbweight: 2539kg; Engine type, twin electric traction engines with 260bhp 2-litre turbo petrol engine/generator; Installation: electric engines at the rear, engine/generator in the front; Power: 402bhp; Torque: 981lb ft from rest; Gearbox: Direct drive
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:20 PM   #2
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That is a far more luke warm review that I was expecting.

THe damn thing weighs almost 5600 lbs...

Holy crap...where is Hip to condemn this thing. That seems quite insane.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:40 PM   #3
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A cramped, expensive PHEV doesn't fit in my plans in any way even though I'm probably right in Fisker's target demographic. Good luck, Fisker (and the possibly wise, possibly insane Fisker investors).
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:45 PM   #4
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Americans already paid $520 million to Fisker thanks to Al Gore's influence.
So how many costing $100k+ do you think they can sell? As many as a Delorean?
Fail/Fraud
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Old 08-08-2011, 03:04 PM   #5
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I would still like one if I had endless money, but as I have said many times I want a larger vehicle with my limited budget.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review

They are a lot less grumpy, but really reviews will vary significantly.

I actually really hope is succeeds given I dislike boring cars and most other hybrids are boring. Honda made an "effort" I guess, but I wouldn't give them credit for it personally. I want a vehicle with decent suspension, and decent acceleration to do well (actually the volt has that), so rather I want good suspension and acceleration. I mean 5.9s 0-60 is fast enough for me.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:41 PM   #6
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I passed and then got passed by a Fisker Karma yesterday afternoon. Pretty cool to see one on the road and functioning.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:30 PM   #7
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I passed and then got passed by a Fisker Karma yesterday afternoon. Pretty cool to see one on the road and functioning.
I was going just going to say I saw one recently in Detroit! Must've been the same vehicle!
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Old 09-23-2011, 07:47 PM   #8
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#here's the Fisker factory, empty! they were supposed to manufacture at closed GM Boxwood plant. Thanks taxpayers for $520 million
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:22 PM   #9
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They claim that they're going to build the Nina (smaller than the Karma) at Boxwood.
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:46 PM   #10
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This car has been following me for months! Or maybe I'm always following it...

When I fist saw it, I was confused so I get behind it and took some pics. A few days later I saw it again...and again...and again. It was an unfinished black for the longest time, then it was painted silver, then back to a factory black. I know it was the same one because it had a special dealer plate. There was always 2 guys driving and I believe they were doing testing. One of the days I saw it, it was broken down causing traffic.

Pretty cool car though and much faster than what I was expecting after I read up on it.
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:38 AM   #11
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I know it was the same one because it had a special dealer plate.
You mean "manufacturer's plate"? Either way, I'm fairly certain those plates are tied to the organization and not a specific chassis... so you may have seen several of them.
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Old 09-25-2011, 12:06 PM   #12
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They claim that they're going to build the Nina (smaller than the Karma) at Boxwood.
Yeah the loan and the factory are both for a different car which hasn't been unveiled yet (but I hear is very sexy).
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A couple of guys at our BMW dealer were trained to work on these. One guy said that at training for the karma, that the one they had there wouldn't run and the engineer still couldn't figure it out after a week of trying...
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Our Fisker Karma cost us $107,850. It is super sleek, high-tech—and now it’s broken. We have owned our car for just a few days; it has less than 200 miles on its odometer. While doing speedometer calibration runs on our test track (a procedure we do for every test car before putting it in service by driving the car at a constant 65 mph between two measured points), the dashboard flashed a message and sounded a “bing“ showing a major fault. Our technician got the car off the track and put it into Park to go through the owner’s manual to interpret the warning. At that point, the transmission went into Neutral and wouldn’t engage any gear through its electronic shifter except Park and Neutral.

We let the car sit for about an hour and restarted it. We could now engage Drive and the same error message disappeared. After moving it only a few feet the error message reappeared and when we tried to engage Reverse the transmission went straight to Park and again no motion gear could be engaged. After calling the dealer, which is about 100 miles away, they promptly sent a flatbed tow truck to haul away the disabled Fisker.
We buy about 80 cars a year and this is the first time in memory that we have had a car that is undriveable before it has finished our check-in process.

Building an all-new car company from the ground up is a monumental challenge, especially for a car with innovative drivetrain technology like the Karma. Designing, engineering, certifying, manufacturing, and distributing an all-new car poses giant hurtles for a start-up company.
We encountered other problems with a Karma press car that visited the track for a few hours, and we have heard of problems at press events. In addition, we see that some owners are experiencing a variety of issues, as evidenced by forums such as FiskerBuzz.com.

When we get the car back, we’ll film a First Drive video with our more traditional initial impressions. But so far, Fisker ownership is proving to be a bumpy ride.

See our recent post, “2012 Fisker Karma - A weekend full of Karma,” for insights into life with the Karma, when it works.

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#here's the Fisker factory, empty! they were supposed to manufacture at closed GM Boxwood plant. Thanks taxpayers for $520 million
Ha.. yea, I live a few miles from the old GM plant. I was kind of excited when I heard about the Fisker project.. until it failed to live up to expectations and basically failed.
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Ha.. yea, I live a few miles from the old GM plant. I was kind of excited when I heard about the Fisker project.. until it failed to live up to expectations and basically failed.
As mentioned, the Boxwood plant is for a different car.
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And I thought they did not get the money. They don't get the loan without a lot of preconditions they failed to meet.
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Relevant: http://jalopnik.com/5851735/how-fisk...l-economy-flop

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Fisker has said it still expects to meet its sales targets for this year, and that the mileage figures are being blown out of proportion, since most drivers will use electric-only travel for much of their driving as Chevy Volt owners do.

How Fisker got $500 million in government loans for a fuel economy flopYet the overpromising and underdelivering from Fisker so far highlights what can happen when a government-anointed winner in new technology fails to win. Dozens of other electric-car start-ups — Wheego, Aptera, EcoMotors and Think to name a few — also asked for government loans but most were turned down, many with no explanation. Fisker, who counts among its early investors and customers former Vice President Al Gore, was able to use its government loan as a selling point to private investors who have since pitched in an additional $500 million; the company is raising an additional $150 million.

The $528 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy was split between $169 million for the Karma and $359 million for Fisker to launch Nina production at General Motors' old plant in Delaware. The announcement for that came way back in October of 2009 — and Vice President Joe Biden was even there in attendance. Whether some other company might have used that money to build a better electric car that came to market faster will never be known.
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They claim that they're going to build the Nina (smaller than the Karma) at Boxwood.
To be built in Denmark....but trust me you won't ever see on in your life. Just the skid marks of them driving off with taxpayers money.
I talked to guys working at the old GM plant and they said no building there at all. Only DEMOLITION
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Money better lent to Toyota as best electric/hybrid and they make most cars here in USA.
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They don't have the money yet...but carry on pretending.
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Another "Ouch" for the broken CR car.
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To be built in Denmark....but trust me you won't ever see on in your life. Just the skid marks of them driving off with taxpayers money.
I talked to guys working at the old GM plant and they said no building there at all. Only DEMOLITION
Just curious.. which ultra-rightwing pundit is telling so many Americans to hate an American car company that's trying to do something innovative?

Fisker has spent about $169,000,000 of their proposed $529,000,000 loan.. the rest has been frozen due to some typical growing pain issues... you know, the kind that Tesla was dealing with when everyone said they were going to go under and never deliver a product (except that Fisker is delivering cars).

Ford took out a $5,900,000,000 loan. That's 11 times as much money as Fisker has asked to borrow and 35 times as much as they've actually received. But yeah.. keep bitching about the startup that's been building an actual product.. and not the company (GM) that left those American factories empty and cost the taxpayers roughly $27,000,000,000 (or 160 times the amount paid out to Fisker) to build shoddy products.


Lets try a little perspective.
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Well.. I just learned what 'pundit' means.
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