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Old 08-10-2011, 06:07 PM   #1
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Lightbulb BRD RedShift electric supermoto

BRD, a startup San Francisco company, unveiled their RedShift electric supermoto bike last week. Asphalt and Rubber caught up with the company and the prototype machines in their shop just a few days ago:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bike...ift-sm-photos/



More at link.

For those just wanting the facts:

- Novel frame design milled from giant blocks of aluminum, minimizing welds. The rear section is plastic.
- Designed and built in San Francisco by motorcycle enthusiasts, with the above design key: it's not labor for welding that's the limiting factor in building these but rather availability of milling machines, a US strong suit
- 40 hp equivalent AC water-cooled motor
- 250 lbs estimated curb weight, which, for those not in the know, is awesomely low
- 5.2 kWh of lithium, which should be good for about 50 miles, give or take

Price and precise release date TBD. See http://www.faster-faster.com/ for further details and to inquire about purchasing one.

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Old 08-10-2011, 07:26 PM   #2
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Looks cool, I would love to have an electric sumo.


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Old 08-10-2011, 08:33 PM   #3
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Probably going to cost $14k+

You can get an electric mountain bike that can do 50mph with a range of about 50 miles, weighs 116lbs, and can be charged in two hours, for $9k.

http://www.stealthelectricbikescanad...er/bomber.html

If it was cheaper, I would have one already. No licencing fees, no reg, and we have bike lanes all over. Yes please.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:45 PM   #4
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Probably going to cost $14k+

You can get an electric mountain bike that can do 50mph with a range of about 50 miles, weighs 116lbs, and can be charged in two hours, for $9k.

http://www.stealthelectricbikescanad...er/bomber.html

If it was cheaper, I would have one already. No licencing fees, no reg, and we have bike lanes all over. Yes please.

I saw an interview with one of the directors for BRD. You're pretty much dead-on with the price he quoted.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:19 PM   #5
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Yawn.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:25 PM   #6
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Probably going to cost $14k+

You can get an electric mountain bike that can do 50mph with a range of about 50 miles, weighs 116lbs, and can be charged in two hours, for $9k.

http://www.stealthelectricbikescanad...er/bomber.html

If it was cheaper, I would have one already. No licencing fees, no reg, and we have bike lanes all over. Yes please.
Yeah, and that thing's not legal on the roads, has about 1/4 the power-weight ratio, has a ton of unsprung weight with that Crystalyte 5xxx-looking hub motor, and has 1.5 kWh of lithium instead of 5.2 kWh. Oh, and based on my energy usage with my older, slower electric bike, I'd expect that battery pack to be flat well before 40 miles is up.

In short, it's not comparable at all really.
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Old 08-11-2011, 04:43 AM   #7
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250 lbs for that thing seems high to me.
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Old 08-11-2011, 04:53 AM   #8
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I saw an interview with one of the directors for BRD. You're pretty much dead-on with the price he quoted.
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Yeah, and that thing's not legal on the roads, has about 1/4 the power-weight ratio, has a ton of unsprung weight with that Crystalyte 5xxx-looking hub motor, and has 1.5 kWh of lithium instead of 5.2 kWh. Oh, and based on my energy usage with my older, slower electric bike, I'd expect that battery pack to be flat well before 40 miles is up.

In short, it's not comparable at all really.
Huh?

It's completely legal on the roads here, they have made lanes specifically for bikes all over the world, and BC is one of the best places for it. They're all over the main roads of every semi-major city, and you can even find them on quite a few highways. Technically it's a moped, but it's still classified as a mountain bike right now.

For almost half the price of that godly electric supermoto, you could double up on the batteries as a factory option on the Bomber, and get much, much more range. This supermoto is nice and all, but it's too expensive, too heavy, and just isn't a good choice. This is true for damn near every electric vehicle out there at the moment.

And are you seriously comparing and old electric bike to a modern one? Seriously? You of all people should know better.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:13 AM   #9
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Think it's legal? Think again: The legal limit on the roads in the US is 750W and 20 mph, although many states (such as my current state, NY) are much more restrictive. The legal limit in Canada is 500W and 32 km/h, and most provinces seem to adhere to this definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electri...le_laws#Canada
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:16 AM   #10
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Probably going to cost $14k+

You can get an electric mountain bike that can do 50mph with a range of about 50 miles, weighs 116lbs, and can be charged in two hours, for $9k.

http://www.stealthelectricbikescanad...er/bomber.html

If it was cheaper, I would have one already. No licencing fees, no reg, and we have bike lanes all over. Yes please.

That thing looks awesome! Dealer near my house - going to check it out today.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:10 PM   #11
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Think it's legal? Think again: The legal limit on the roads in the US is 750W and 20 mph, although many states (such as my current state, NY) are much more restrictive. The legal limit in Canada is 500W and 32 km/h, and most provinces seem to adhere to this definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electri...le_laws#Canada
And what's the quoted speed of the bike?

Oh, that's right, 20mph or 32km/h. They give you the ability to 'overclock' the bike to 50mph in "competition mode", but it is indeed legal.

Edit-

This is coming off pretty harshly now that I look at it, and I don't mean it in that way. Sorry! Just imagine we're at a pub discussing it over a beer or two.

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Old 08-11-2011, 10:09 PM   #12
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That's pretty sweet, I'd commute it.
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:55 AM   #14
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You'd spend way less and your bike would weigh way less if you just buy a conversion kit. Converted bike weigh less than 100# and look like normal bikes with a panier for the battery pack.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:40 AM   #15
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You'd spend way less and your bike would weigh way less if you just buy a conversion kit. Converted bike weigh less than 100# and look like normal bikes with a panier for the battery pack.
This isn't an electric bicycle, people. 40 HP. Street legal. No kludgy battery "mounting" solutions. Real lighting. Show me anything off the shelf that'll get you that. Crystalyte 5xxx hub motors, such as apparently used in that Canadian creation, weigh a ton and are more on the order of 4 kW.

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This isn't an electric bicycle, people. 40 HP. Street legal. No kludgy battery "mounting" solutions. Real lighting. Show me anything off the shelf that'll get you that. Crystalyte 5xxx hub motors, such as apparently used in that Canadian creation, weigh a ton and are more on the order of 4 kW.

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Old 08-12-2011, 11:44 AM   #17
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This is coming off pretty harshly now that I look at it, and I don't mean it in that way. Sorry! Just imagine we're at a pub discussing it over a beer or two.
If I ever emigrate to Victoria or BC, escaping from the Mad Max-esque future wastelands of the US, then I'll take you up on that.
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Old 08-12-2011, 03:46 PM   #18
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If I ever emigrate to Victoria or BC, escaping from the Mad Max-esque future wastelands of the US, then I'll take you up on that.
It's a date!
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Old 08-12-2011, 05:42 PM   #19
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This looks like a well sorted electric sumo. It's a direct competitor to the Brammo Engage line of mx/sumo electric bikes. It's looking more and more like my first EV will be a motorcycle.
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