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Old 03-24-2001, 07:40 PM   #1
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Post What is needed to build rally car?

I would like to turn my 00RS in to a rally car. What is needed?
role cage
rally tires
new suspenion
10 psi of boost
strip intior
Is a license reguired?
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Old 03-24-2001, 08:03 PM   #2
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roll cage approved by the SCCA for the class you plan on..built by the book
rally suspension if you plan on not replacing the stock after every few races
rims (stock are fine for occasional..but for hardcore and frequent i would get a specific rally use rim)
tyres of course..a set for tarmac stages, gravel and of course the skinny rims and snow tyres if you do wynter stuff
race harnesses
tranny (stock only last for around 4 rallies IIRC)
rear diff and centre diff.. nice kaaz or such LSD for the rear..front too maybe, as well as optional front adjustable unit
if you want to build the motor then that.
underbody armour
seam weld the unibody
etc.

scca liscense for yourself to drive. first is clubman stages, then you can move up, etc.

etc. etc

the list goes on .. truth be told to race professionally and seriously and be competitive it is a millionaires game, in the US anyway, there isn't that much cashola to be made by racing pro

and add in money for people to crew and replacing parts when they break as well

IIRC do a search for rally prep. in general and it should turn up a fair amount of info on this..more than i care to type
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Old 03-24-2001, 08:39 PM   #3
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From what I've heard, all 4WD Imprezas start in Production GT class in Club Rally (which is where I assume you'd want to start). If you mod too many things, you're going to end up in either the Group N or open class. See www.scca.org for details (look under "performance rally").

The first thing you want to do is check your bank balance. If you need this car as your daily driver you're going to be in a tough position. For instance what happens when you roll it and/or damage it beyond immediate repair (like a broken suspension piece)? That will happen, so you need a way to drag the thing back from wherever you are as well as something else to drive while it's getting fixed. You need to find a co-driver and a pit crew. You'll need to attend a school of some sort to get your SCCA license. It's not an inexpensive proposition, and you may want to opt for doing some rallycross events to get into the swing of things first.

I'm currently plowing through the ordeal of getting started in Club Rallying, so if you're serious PM me and I'll be happy to share what I've learned so far.

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Old 03-24-2001, 08:46 PM   #4
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Old 03-24-2001, 09:02 PM   #5
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are you CERTAIN you are going to do this?

it will cost you literally 1000's to set up your street car...

you are better off buying a car already set for rally... you can find one as cheap as $1.5k... and up to 5k for a nice, decent rally car...

then, when you have a good understanding of what's needed, you can decide if you REALLY want to do this...

computer, harness, cage, suit, helmet, intercom, fuel cell, seats, turbo???, gauges, safety equipment, wheels, tires, spares... and the list goes on and on...

think about this and do the math


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Old 03-24-2001, 10:06 PM   #6
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D'oh! Fuel cell? I thought that tank shielding was all that was required... I wish that rules CD would hurry up and get here.
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Old 03-24-2001, 10:25 PM   #7
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One thing I learned very early in the process is that you need real expertise to build and maintain a rally car. Are you a professional mechanic? If not, you have to come to grips with the fact that you will be paying people not only to build your car, but to service for you at rallies.

You DON'T want to turbo it and run in Open class. Just prep it to PGT rules and you'll be plenty competitive. Forget about driving it on the street, too--after a few rallies, it'll be thoroughly dinged up, if not worse.

Seriously, though, your questions indicate you may not have thought this through completely. Figure $5-10k to prep the car and accumulate a few wheels and tires. Then figure $2k or more for each event, unless you plan on running completely without service. If you turbo it, double those numbers.

Have a long, serious talk with a local prep shop, like Arrieta Motorsports http://users.aol.com/rallymech/home/pages/main.htm or RalliSpec www.rallispec.com
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Old 03-25-2001, 03:12 PM   #8
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You guy's forgot to tell hime he needs a truck and a trailer to haul the car around. You won't be driving the car to the rallies.

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Old 03-25-2001, 05:27 PM   #9
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In a word?????

M-O-N-E-Y
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Old 03-25-2001, 11:02 PM   #10
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Lots of money..this was from one of my rally-esq excursions

and a WHOLE lotta damage and upgrades ensued that one http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...a=12283719&f=0
did i learn from it..heck yeah..but it costs to keep them running and in one peice and all the service guys and customers always got a kick out of when my car was up on the lift in all her wannabe a WRC car glory..even if she was sitting in a wrecked heap
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Old 03-26-2001, 01:30 AM   #11
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Items needed to rally---
Item #2: Mentally deranged individual capable of withstanding intolerable jossling and bouncing while reading small print instructions without the aid of adequate lighting, bathroom stops, or prescription motion sickness medicine, all while resting his/her life in the capable(?) hands of Item #1(crazy & fearless maniac located in the drivers seat).
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Old 03-26-2001, 03:28 AM   #12
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As everyone has said above...it's expensive.

Look for a used prepped car to learn on and slowly build up your RS as a full blown rally car. Check Ben's rally page for more info on used cars: http://www.cwl.com/bensrallypage

Spending 2K on a reliable used rally car is much better than spending X amount (in $$$ & labour...don't forget your labour) on prepping your car and stuffing it into a tree on SS1. Crashing is something that you don't what to think about but it's gonna happen some time in your rally career.

Also, don't forget the tow vehicle, trailer, expendables, etc.

It's not a poor man's sport...

If you are intent on prepping your car for ProRally, DON'T do anything to the motor. Just concentrate on your driving and getting a solid suspension set up. With time comes speed and a rally beginner DOESN'T need 400 hp from the get go...

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Old 03-26-2001, 01:34 PM   #13
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Thanks! I know it isn't cheap. All the guys I work with all have some kind of race car or truck. I'm either going to sell my car or use it for something. I just though it would be neat. I just might buy a already build rally car and go from there.
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Old 03-26-2001, 07:25 PM   #14
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yuppers.. and actually once i get a new car to build and be able to thrash on..since the 'dub is a gift and i can't rally that now can i i will start again building a car..since my last one got interupted

here is one shot of my misfortune
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when rally goes bad..part duex
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all in all..start with a cheap prebuilt car..that way it won't hurt as much when you do mess it up (that was my mistake..too much to quick )
and bens rally page has a killer Rally Prepped GTX with a 1.8GTR motor for sale for 11K IIRC..nice full cage..*drooling* gawd i love that GTX
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Old 03-27-2001, 01:37 PM   #15
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Come meet the DC rally group and attend some rallies with us. I began by crewing for a team and it is the best place to start. Do some rallyXs as a competitor. See http://www.dcrally.com/

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