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Old 08-11-2011, 11:00 AM   #1
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Im looking for a good follow up detail after correcting the paint. What is a polish,wax combo? Thanks
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:33 AM   #2
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i'm a big fan of mothers products...

http://www.mothers.com/02_products/0...s_01_line.html

But there are a TON of reputable brands out there... And it really just depends on who you talk to on what is the best.

I'm gonna try a vendor here next actually... I've been impressed by what I've seen his products do

http://www.detailersdomain.com/

This vendor also has great products from what i've seen(lots of brands)

http://www.autogeek.net/

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Old 08-11-2011, 12:32 PM   #3
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To be perfectly frank, this question is simply too vague to answer. Personally, there would be several question I would want to ask before even recommending anything. For example....

Are you doing this by hand? If not, what sort of equipment do you have? If so, are you open to purchasing/using something like a DA? What is the current condition of the finish? What are your expectations for the outcome? What is your current wash regimen (including tools, products, techniques)? Is the vehicle garaged? Is the vehicle a DD? ....etc., etc., etc.

I put the following collection of links together a couple of years ago to try and help folks in your situation. You may find some of the articles/content useful:

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Old 08-11-2011, 04:31 PM   #4
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I am using the Porter Cable 7424 XP with Lake Country pads. I like using Meguiars products if possible saying them with a good follow up process. I used the Meguiars DA paint correction system to correct my paint (Works great). My car isnt garaged kept but it is taken care of. I wash it once or twice a week with Ultima paint guard wash. Then use a spray wax. The car is a DD but as i said wash it once to twice a week to keep the dirt off.
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:13 PM   #5
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Here's some pictures of todays clean.






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Old 08-11-2011, 10:31 PM   #6
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I am using the Porter Cable 7424 XP with Lake Country pads. I like using Meguiars products if possible saying them with a good follow up process. I used the Meguiars DA paint correction system to correct my paint (Works great). My car isnt garaged kept but it is taken care of. I wash it once or twice a week with Ultima paint guard wash. Then use a spray wax. The car is a DD but as i said wash it once to twice a week to keep the dirt off.
....if the car is already corrected, then it sounds like you just need a wax/sealant. What are you using now?
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:15 AM   #7
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Yea thats what Im asking. I used the Meguiars finishing wax that is part of there DA paint correction system.
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Old 08-12-2011, 12:33 PM   #8
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Yea thats what Im asking. I used the Meguiars finishing wax that is part of there DA paint correction system.
....sorry. When you said "polish, wax combo" initially, I thought you were starting from scratch.

As with most detailing products, “best” is mostly defined by the individual requirements/scenario. It really depends on the users needs, expectations and what characteristics they value in a particular product. Looks, longevity, resilience, contaminant shedding ability, sheeting vs. beading, slickness, ease of use, trim friendliness, etc., etc. There are a myriad of products all with varying traits and none that I (personally) would consider “best” for everyone.

With that out of the way, my current “active” products are FK1000p (previously on my DD and what I have been using for wheels and other bits), Wolfgang Fuzion (was on my Challenger and I still use it for some trim), Optimum Opti-Seal, Optimumum Opti-Coat (currently on the DD/Forester), Collinite #845, Wofgang DGPS (currently on my Challenger), Zaino Z-AIO and Klasse AIO (used mainly to clean up some trim). I also have several other “less active” products sitting in my cabinets.

I tend to classify LSP’s (last step products) in the following “generalized” categories in regard to application. These are not necessarily standardized terms and some folks may have different terminology or ideas on how these should be broken down depending on what characteristics you are trying to compare. I just thought it would help as a starting point to narrow down your choices….

1) Traditional: These are your typical carnaubas and sealants that you wipe on, wait to haze and then wipe off. Some are trim friendly and some are not (they either stain or leave a residue in crevices, etc.). The FK1000p that I was using on my DD is one of these types of products.


2) WOWO: These are “wipe on, wipe off” formulations that don’t require any (or very little) time to wipe away after application. You can usually work a panel at a time with these and they typically are very user friendly (barring any streaking issues, etc. you may get from a particular product or under certain situations). The Wolfgang Fuzion I mentioned is a WOWO.


3) WOWA: These products are called “wipe on, walk away” and are literal in the term. You really do apply and then let the product flash off/dry on the surface. As long as you don’t over-apply, you get a streak free, crystal clear finish. Optimum Opti-Seal and Opti-Coat are examples. In fact, (although it does use more product) I sometimes apply O/S using an airbrush for quick application that I can spray over trim, vinyl, glass, paint, etc. quite quickly and evenly.


You can also look at products as synthetics/sealants vs. traditional “waxes” (carnaubas), hybrids, coatings, etc. Then there are ones that are trim-friendly and those that are not. Carnaubas (once a standard in LSP choice) seem to have been relegated to “beauty” enhancers these days (IMO) when compared to some of the more resilient/durable sealants and coatings. ….sealants don’t always provide that rich, wet look that some carnaubas do. As a result, some folks prefer to use carnaubas exclusively and/or use it atop another LSP. The shiny/reflective look sealants may provide are arguably “plastic-like” to some folks and not desirable as a finished look. Again, all of this depends on the individual product and these are all generalized observations I am making.

…..an explanation on coatings: These are the permanent and semi-permanent coatings some dealerships, detailers and even a few enthusiasts use. Terms like “nano”, “resin”, etc. get thrown around but the generally idea is that these products are typically supposed to last 1-5 years and (some) even more. Some products are frankly BS (IMO) but there are others that have proven themselves as competent performers. Opti-Coat is one such product that has gained recognition in the detailing community ever since it was released. However, it was only reserved for professionals who had to show proof that they owned a detailing business and sign a waiver. It wasn’t until recently that OC was released to the public (likely due to the overwhelming interest). Prior to this, some folks were having to look elsewhere to companies like AQuartz and GTechniq to acquire similar products. ….I am currently using a product called C4 from GTechniq that is marketed as a “permanent trim restorer” (I have another thread sharing my experiences). Opti-Coat is what I am currently using on the Forester (our DD) and I am eager to see the long term result.


Anyhow, I would determine what type of product/characteristics you might think will work for your situation and then maybe do a little reading on detailing forums like Autopia.org, DetailingBliss, Autogeek Online, etc. .....sorry for the rambling.
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Thanks Kean this made me understand better. I was looking around on Autogeek and found this. http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-four-pack.html

Would you recommend this??
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Thanks Kean this made me understand better. I was looking around on Autogeek and found this. http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-four-pack.html

Would you recommend this??
I guess Iím still confused. That 4 pack is essentially for correction and protection. You donít need the 3 polishes and the 4th (Menzerna Sealing Wax MEN-APO60P) is more of an AIO (all in one) product intended for light correction, removing old product, etc. (including a wax component for protection). It seems to me that as long as the MF system you used from Meguiars worked well for you (and the finish is corrected to a point that you are satisfied with), all that is needed is a good, dedicated LSP (wax/sealant). Ö.right?
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Yea im sorry Im pretty new to the detailing world. Im looking for a good wax/sealant like u said.
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my favorite sealants: blackfire wet diamond and chemical guys jet seal.
my favorite waxes: pinnacle souveran, p21s both of them, chemical guys 5050 for lighter colors, and blackfire midnight sun.
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If you like Meguiars products give Meguiars 105 and 205 a try. 105 is a aggressive polish similar to compound. 205 is a great finishing polish. For light deffects i just use 205 with a aggressive pad. As far as wax this is very subjective. There is sooo many different kinds out there. For me what i look for is ease of use. most waxes will last 3-6 months depending on conditions(ie weather,garaged or not, temperature, sun, where park)
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Yea im sorry Im pretty new to the detailing world. Im looking for a good wax/sealant like u said.
....again, it really depends on what characteristics you value in an LSP (like the ones I outlined earlier), budget, etc.
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Alright thanks guys. I will look into these.
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