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Old 08-21-2012, 10:04 PM   #951
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Any issues with the Aeromotive 340 and E85? I've heard they don't play well together.

And why is Akuma using a hose for the install in the plastic (08+) housing? It doesn't plug in like the Walbro?
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:18 PM   #952
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What pump are you on Xluben?
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:24 PM   #953
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Is this ure daily?
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:50 PM   #954
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You asking me? Yes it is my daily. Right now I only get gas from one place but yesterday I actually did have to get gas somewhere else because my tank was empty. I can see it being worse with E85.
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Old 08-21-2012, 11:59 PM   #955
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You asking me? Yes it is my daily. Right now I only get gas from one place but yesterday I actually did have to get gas somewhere else because my tank was empty. I can see it being worse with E85.
Well that is something to consider. If u have an AP u could run dual maps. But your injectors would likely need to be smaller.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:14 AM   #956
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Any issues with the Aeromotive 340 and E85? I've heard they don't play well together.

And why is Akuma using a hose for the install in the plastic (08+) housing? It doesn't plug in like the Walbro?
Who the **** told you that? Most people on e run them here
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:15 AM   #957
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Well that is something to consider. If u have an AP u could run dual maps. But your injectors would likely need to be smaller.
Smaller? Lol what bigger
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:15 AM   #958
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I'm on a Walbro 255. It's just about out of fuel where I'm at now. I'll probably hard wire it next, and I think that will be fine unless I get a bigger turbo. Then I'll probably have to bump the base pressure or get a bigger pump. That Aeromotive 340 looks like a great option, but I've heard bad things about it on E85.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:21 AM   #959
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I called aeromotive about their 340 because I have it and want to do E85. The guy on the phone straight up said e85 is garbage and to stay away from it... So yeah, their pump isn't meant for e85. Definitely a walbro, DW, bosch...
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:25 AM   #960
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Who the **** told you that? Most people on e run them here
Who is "here"? Locally? There are plenty of posts about them crapping out on E85. Here and other forums.

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I called aeromotive about their 340 because I have it and want to do E85. The guy on the phone straight up said e85 is garbage and to stay away from it... So yeah, their pump isn't meant for e85. Definitely a walbro, DW, bosch...
I thought you had one in your car? Did it go out?
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:35 AM   #961
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Who is "here"? Locally? There are plenty of posts about them crapping out on E85. Here and other forums.

I thought you had one in your car? Did it go out?
Colorado. I haven't seen one go bad yet on E so idk. If the manufacture says it then I guess stick away. There is a guy here running bosch but they are stupid loud
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:37 AM   #962
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Smaller? Lol what bigger
I meant smaller than 1600 sorry.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:39 AM   #963
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From aeromotive.

A: E85 fuel has become a viable option for street performance enthusiasts in recent years. It has some very significant pros, and equally significant cons, to consider. It does provide higher octane, and lower charge air temperatures, and is especially popular in forced induction applications, permitting more aggressive combinations of boost, compression ratios and tuning. It is also less costly per-gallon than high-octane racing gasoline. That said, fuel usage increases 30-35% to support equal HP, somewhat offsetting the lower cost and requiring the HP rating of all fuel system components, including and especially the HP ratings of the fuel pump and fuel injectors, be reduced by 30-35%.
A crucial consideration regarding whether or not to run E85 is its tendency to rapidly and frequently contaminate and clog/block fuel filters, resulting in significant flow restrictions, which in turn may damage the engine and/or cause premature fuel pump failure. The reasons for filter contamination problems with E85 include:
E85 is an alcohol based fuel, and alcohols are hygroscopic (attract and absorb water from the atmosphere), which can accumulate in and clog fine filter elements.
E85 is an agriculturally produced fuel and, being a byproduct of plant material, there have been indications some of this “bio-mass” can accumulate in, and clog fuel filters.
E85 has very strong solvent properties, like many alcohol based liquids, which will act to strip accumulated debris and residues from transport and storage containers, and the inside of fuel tanks and fuel lines, which in turn accumulate in, and clog fuel filters.
Aeromotive has conducted extensive testing of the 340 Stealth Pump in E85 fuel, achieving 1,000 plus run hours of service life operating at 60 PSI and 13.5 Volts. In testing, it was found a filter service interval that gave good fuel pump service life required a new, down-stream filter be installed every 10 run-hours. It is vital to understand that a blocked filter creates severe flow restriction of pump output, building excessively high operating pressure between the pump and the contaminated element. If the Stealth 340 is allowed to run in this environment, operating pressures between pump and filter can exceed 90 PSI, creating extreme current draw and reduced cooling flow, resulting in rapid failure of the fuel pump motor assembly.
WARNING: If you plan to run E85 fuel you must be prepared to install proper filtration, and maintain it as frequently as every 10 run-hours. If not, Aeromotive does NOT recommend you the use of E85 with the 340 Stealth Fuel Pump. Aeromotive’s new product warranty assures the purchaser their 340 Stealth Pump will be free from defects in material and workmanship for one year from the date of purchase. Fuel pump failure caused by clogged/blocked fuel filters is not the result of any defect in the pump itself, and is not covered under this warranty.
For a detailed look at post-pump filter options and what a good one should be like, please see Aeromotive Tech Bulletin: Post-Pump Fuel Filtration TB-102 here:
http://aeromotiveinc.com/2010/05/pos...el-filtration/
For a specific example of the issues related to a clogged post-pump filter, please take a moment to see the Case History File embedded in TB-102 here:
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:26 AM   #964
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/e85. The power potential is so strong in pulling me into it but the headaches associated with the fuel in the long run do not seem to be worth it. Add to that this is my DD and there is only one station between me and my work that has it.

Bigger turbo in the future then.
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:12 AM   #965
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So they don't recommend it, but they're trying to blame it on something other than the pump. It just seems like there have been a lot of failures of that pump on E85 vs. something like the Walbro or DW stock location pumps. I'd really love to use the Aeromotive, but I'm a little hesitant.
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:29 AM   #966
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Xluben, how often are u cleaning ure fuel filter? Did u upgrade to the 100 micron?
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Old 08-22-2012, 08:40 AM   #967
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Never cleaned it. Didn't upgrade. Link? A local guy just replaced his after 3 years on E85 with a Walbro and no issues.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:30 AM   #968
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How often are we supposed to change out the fuel filter? I'll probably just get a new one and do a new pump at the same time. Deatschwerks 300 seems promising.
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How often are we supposed to change out the fuel filter? I'll probably just get a new one and do a new pump at the same time. Deatschwerks 300 seems promising.
Running stock on pump gas every 60K. 10 hours according to aeromotive at 60 miles per hour is 600 miles yikes.

I would recommend on E that you replace it at least every 10K. That's what most of the tuners around here will tell you, they also tell people to run a separate smaller micron filter too which most guys around here do. They another smaller filter near the fpr that's is washable that they clean every 1,000 miles or so.

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Old 08-22-2012, 11:36 AM   #970
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Could this issue be regional? I've seen stories on other boards (other cars) about fuel filters getting gunked up or fuel pumps crapping out on E85, sometimes within just a few hundred miles. There are all sorts of special precautions being taken, but all the MN guys just throw in a Walbro and injectors and run E85 for years with no issues.
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That seems nuts to do that much maintenance. Yes I'm leaving power on the table but less headaches. Plus I like watching my meth gauge and hearing the injection lol.
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:08 PM   #972
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Could this issue be regional? I've seen stories on other boards (other cars) about fuel filters getting gunked up or fuel pumps crapping out on E85, sometimes within just a few hundred miles. There are all sorts of special precautions being taken, but all the MN guys just throw in a Walbro and injectors and run E85 for years with no issues.
It's possible, it also depends on the station really. E85 attracts water do areas with more of it are gonna do worse than others

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That seems nuts to do that much maintenance. Yes I'm leaving power on the table but less headaches. Plus I like watching my meth gauge and hearing the injection lol.
How fast are you going through the meth?
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:13 PM   #973
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It's possible, it also depends on the station really. E85 attracts water do areas with more of it are gonna do worse than others

How fast are you going through the meth?
3-4 grams a day, wait u mean car meth? Lol
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3-4 grams a day, wait u mean car meth? Lol
Bahaha meth... Only every day for jockeys case
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Since I was done tuning I have not added any meth. I'm down about 1/2 gallon. On one tank of gas.
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