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Old 10-27-2011, 01:28 PM   #351
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6266 is going on. I should have some data next week. I am dying to get a full pass on this thing.

On a side note, GoofyXT will have a pretty bad ass XT with a built AUTO very soon.
JR what do you think the deal is with his car?? trans?
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:50 PM   #352
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6266 is going on. I should have some data next week. I am dying to get a full pass on this thing.

On a side note, GoofyXT will have a pretty bad ass XT with a built AUTO very soon.
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:09 AM   #353
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I really considered a built auto just figured it would cost so much for the trans mods to make it handle the power.
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:30 AM   #354
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^you can get a built auto for about 5k.
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:44 AM   #355
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I really considered a built auto just figured it would cost so much for the trans mods to make it handle the power.
Like I said earlier, at our power levels (so far from 2jz guys that have 1500+whp) a built auto steals too much power from our 700whp cars, iirc the supra guys loose over 100-150whp...I would just keep buying used 6speeds and for 5k worth, you could last for years, no?

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you lose hp with an auto?

seems to me keeping the boost up between shifts helps in the quarta???
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Old 10-28-2011, 09:18 AM   #357
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That's not really a problem with ffs nowdays.

But the best way to be the fastest is to take the driver out of the equation as much as possible
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Old 10-28-2011, 09:25 AM   #358
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Looks like i won't get to make a pass this season either with the expected snow fall coming... Time to throw the monster truck tires on :-/
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Snow.........is it that time of year again?
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But the best way to be the fastest and consistantly is to take the driver out of the equation as much as possible
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Like I said earlier, at our power levels (so far from 2jz guys that have 1500+whp) a built auto steals too much power from our 700whp cars, iirc the supra guys loose over 100-150whp...I would just keep buying used 6speeds and for 5k worth, you could last for years, no?

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You don't actually lose any horsepower. At the crank you will make the same power with a auto or with a manual. The auto just has more drivetrain loss then a manual, so yes you will put a little less power to the ground but you will be quicker with the auto even with the lower power number. There's a ton of benefits to a good auto setup. Just remember getting to the 1/8 as fast and quick as possible is the key to being fast, that's where a auto shines.
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:47 PM   #363
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You don't actually lose any horsepower. At the crank you will make the same power with a auto or with a manual. The auto just has more drivetrain loss then a manual, so yes you will put a little less power to the ground but you will be quicker with the auto even with the lower power number. There's a ton of benefits to a good auto setup. Just remember getting to the 1/8 as fast and quick as possible is the key to being fast, that's where a auto shines.
You actually lose a good amount with parasitic loss, I am thinking you are underestimating the amount. From what I've read, it's pretty big when making big power; for a built auto 7-15% documented loss on supra forums, for a TH400 as much as 20% can be lost. Again I'm talking when you are making big power, the more power you make it seems the more power you can lose.

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Old 10-28-2011, 06:43 PM   #365
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Yeah the Auto is worthless just ask ESX
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Old 10-29-2011, 08:14 AM   #366
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Yeah the Auto is worthless just ask ESX

Not making comparisons of a race team,
I'm talking to mdo5 and he's running a 35r variant iirc and trying to go 9's. I don't think he is a person that needs a $5k built auto to go nines he could just lose some more weight and do the bigger turbo and have a fun still stock like 6 speed, 9 sec car. , that's all I was trying to say 2002wrxsti
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^there is a serious powr loss there with the autos but for me, id rather have the auto. consistency is what wins most races. not really the place to mention it but on the street most of the cars john doe runs have more power but cant do **** with it and they get pulled. races john doe loses are because of driver error not needing more power.

and autos have their fun to....transbrake...being able to drink slushy and drive. or hold gf/wife hand leg leaving every stop light and not have to momentarily shift! maybe im getting old.
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Not making comparisons of a race team,
I'm talking to mdo5 and he's running a 35r variant iirc and trying to go 9's. I don't think he is a person that needs a $5k built auto to go nines he could just lose some more weight and do the bigger turbo and have a fun still stock like 6 speed, 9 sec car. , that's all I was trying to say 2002wrxsti
i know what you were getting at and your right, drive train loss through the manual gearbox and all are much less than auto. i just think given the same crank power id be faster with the auto and i know ill be more consistent. dial ins at the track and estiimated et/s will be spot on after some seat time with the auto unless the setup changes. would be great for bracket racing or street racing if i was someone that did that!
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Before i went out to sea a few weeks ago you were having trans issues with the car and were frustrated. did you fix? and what was the problem?
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i know what you were getting at and your right, drive train loss through the manual gearbox and all are much less than auto. i just think given the same crank power id be faster with the auto and i know ill be more consistent. dial ins at the track and estiimated et/s will be spot on after some seat time with the auto unless the setup changes. would be great for bracket racing or street racing if i was someone that did that!
Oh for sure I know the auto is much quicker, especially with a large turbo and a peaky Powerband as you don't lose boost nearly as much if at all, I just think if you are making only ~650whp on a subi, a ~50whp hit is something to think of, it's no question to a supra guy with a built cast iron block and ~90lb/min turbo with 1,000whp. Again, I'm not having gearbox issues and buying muliple boxes like these guys are, so maybe it's a must for peeps like md05. Just wanted to let people know that you do lose parasitically, and it's not just a tiny bit.
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Old 10-29-2011, 06:07 PM   #371
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^ Will be happy to see his XT finally get sorted out proper. Would like to see him have a little fun with it.
Yea man. I feel bad for him, but Ryan@1320 and myself are really trying for him. I think he will be in a better place soon.

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JR what do you think the deal is with his car?? trans?
Well shortly the only thing that will be left is the trans itself.

Has a good block/heads now that you built.
TC is new from my old XT
Turbo setup willbe from my current XT
ECU is new

So now unless the trans is shot, it should in the 400s and be VERY VERY fast on the street.


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Jr ive suspected the trans from day one. Just seems like the power is pushing through it.
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Old 10-29-2011, 06:27 PM   #373
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Like I said earlier, at our power levels (so far from 2jz guys that have 1500+whp) a built auto steals too much power from our 700whp cars, iirc the supra guys loose over 100-150whp...I would just keep buying used 6speeds and for 5k worth, you could last for years, no?

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If you look at the 2 P&L cars you will see the WHP difference and then the MPH/ET difference

The GD makes 850ish whp and the GC makes 680ish. Use the 1/8th on both cars since the GC has yet to complete a solid pass and you will see that the GC ETs a lot better and only looses 2mph to the 1/8th.

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you lose hp with an auto?

seems to me keeping the boost up between shifts helps in the quarta???
You loose WHP to the auto, the actual power you are making stays the same. You will loose in a dyno challenge, but dominate at the track/street.

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FFS still doesnt do the work at auto does. You loose 0 and actually end up with a upswing in boost.

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Looks like i won't get to make a pass this season either with the expected snow fall coming... Time to throw the monster truck tires on :-/

Yes you will.. We will both be dominating Island in 2 weeks. They wont know who to kick out

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You don't actually lose any horsepower. At the crank you will make the same power with a auto or with a manual. The auto just has more drivetrain loss then a manual, so yes you will put a little less power to the ground but you will be quicker with the auto even with the lower power number. There's a ton of benefits to a good auto setup. Just remember getting to the 1/8 as fast and quick as possible is the key to being fast, that's where a auto shines.
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You actually lose a good amount with parasitic loss, I am thinking you are underestimating the amount. From what I've read, it's pretty big when making big power; for a built auto 7-15% documented loss on supra forums, for a TH400 as much as 20% can be lost. Again I'm talking when you are making big power, the more power you make it seems the more power you can lose.

Edited After checking sf again.

Carmi
You loose WHP not actual horsepower. Also the subaru trans does not loose WHP like a domestic transmission. In the end you will end up with 2 cars that make the same HP at the motor, but the Auto will more then likely win the races.
Since you use the supra forums check out what ryan woon ran with 1400whp and then look at what a 1000whp Auto will run. Same ET almost the same MPH.. The AT will do it pass after pass, the MT will struggle to stay off the walls unloading between gears. Ask my white supra She met the wall on a unload with to much WHP..

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^there is a serious powr loss there with the autos but for me, id rather have the auto. consistency is what wins most races. not really the place to mention it but on the street most of the cars john doe runs have more power but cant do **** with it and they get pulled. races john doe loses are because of driver error not needing more power.

and autos have their fun to....transbrake...being able to drink slushy and drive. or hold gf/wife hand leg leaving every stop light and not have to momentarily shift! maybe im getting old.
Auto's will always be better for drag, you just need to set it up and sort it out before you will get the benifits. To many people throw an auto in and then get mad when it breaks, doesn't leave, doesn't shift etc. .It takes a ton of setting up and getting it right.

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i know what you were getting at and your right, drive train loss through the manual gearbox and all are much less than auto. i just think given the same crank power id be faster with the auto and i know ill be more consistent. dial ins at the track and estiimated et/s will be spot on after some seat time with the auto unless the setup changes. would be great for bracket racing or street racing if i was someone that did that!
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Before i went out to sea a few weeks ago you were having trans issues with the car and were frustrated. did you fix? and what was the problem?
Small crack in the bell housing clutch area from when the clutch broke. No biggie.. I will have it fixed this week.

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Oh for sure I know the auto is much quicker, especially with a large turbo and a peaky Powerband as you don't lose boost nearly as much if at all, I just think if you are making only ~650whp on a subi, a ~50whp hit is something to think of, it's no question to a supra guy with a built cast iron block and ~90lb/min turbo with 1,000whp. Again, I'm not having gearbox issues and buying muliple boxes like these guys are, so maybe it's a must for peeps like md05. Just wanted to let people know that you do lose parasitically, and it's not just a tiny bit.
Back in the day the smaller turbo/auto supra guys were having all the fun and winning races while the big turbo big HP guys were sliding around the track. Now with all the cool nitrous tricks and trans brakes the Auto is a dominate force for the 2jz/vq/4g/ej's .. You just cant compete with the consistency.

I would think loosing power the the tires for the sake of improved ET/60fts/Consistency is well worth it to most that want to go fast. You also have to factor in the lack of breaking parts with the auto, it is so easy on the drive-line to leave fully loaded and not shocking it on the line or between shifts. So in the end you have to really ask yourself if loosing 50-200whp on the dyno and gaining all the benefits really not worth it?

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10000000% reason why I wont get a GTR after a few weeks I will be bored with it. Fast track car for competing.. Auto all day
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