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Old 09-01-2011, 11:00 AM   #1
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http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/01/f...rgaining-tool/





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We haven't heard much concerning the contract negotiations between the United Auto Workers and Detroit automakers, but that's probably by design. The UAW is looking to expand, and it probably wouldn't hurt organized labor's chances to do so if these talks went smoothly. Still, what would negotiations be without the threat of a strike?

The Detroit Free Press reports that at least four Ford UAW locals have overwhelmingly voted to authorize leadership to call a strike. The move, which is considered to be routine, comes only two weeks before the contracts with General Motors, Ford and Chrysler run out on September 14. The UAW has asked all local units to hold strike authorization votes by Friday.



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Old 09-01-2011, 12:58 PM   #2
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Go strike, while others would kill for a job so they can support their family, while others are sitting in shelters eating one meal every other day if they are lucky.............
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:00 PM   #3
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These idiots will cut off their own heads to spite their faces, not just their noses.

Idiots. Let them rot on the unemployment line, and hire some people who want to work for an honest living.

Put the union out, and starve the gangster thugs at the top of the union leadership, and the politicians in their pockets. If the membership has to dissolve and the workers compete for non-union jobs, WELCOME TO THE REAL FRICKEN WORLD.

FoMoCo isn't perfect, but they are not horrific robber-barons like the vilification that the unions trot out repeatedly would suggest.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:16 PM   #4
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Can't believe these fools are making $100,000 a year and up and complaining about it to no end. Unions served their purpose. Not anymore. Disband and rehire.

I work with and around Union workers ALL THE TIME. The ends these guys will go through to pad their hours and force quick turnarounds and milk overtime is RIDICULOUS. It borders on OUTRIGHT THEFT. Given the choice of a union crew or a non-union crew, I will chose non-union every single time. Much more motivated, and less sense of entitlement.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:19 PM   #5
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Unions need to go away. They are hopelessly out of touch. The Verizon union that was on strike recently because they didn't want to lose jobs from their wired unit, when everyone on the planet knows that things are heading to wireless. I drove by a Verizon place a few times and there were 4-5 guys out front with signs doing nothing. Yup, keep fighting for your guaranteed job, oh wait...

There is a very large segment of our population that is out of work and would LOVE to have the pay and benefits these guys get.
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Reminds me of farmers.
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Wonder how long until Xan will be in here saying nasty things about all of you pro-work posters?
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:33 PM   #8
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Wonder how long until Xan will be in here saying nasty things about all of you pro-work posters?
Not long enough...
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:49 PM   #9
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I also hate it when domestic corporations turn a profit and aren't strangled by government regulations and over priced union workers.
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Just because a company turns a profit does not mean that you derserve a raise. With no profit....no company. UAW really needs to learn that.
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Yet shareholders and the boardroom immediatly shares that new profit.. but yeah blame the unions for wanting in.
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That is just it. The unions are not uniquely responsible for turning a profit. The decisions they make do not change a company. Their job is to insert bolt a into slot b. Any low to medium skilled person can do it with proficiency. They are not steering the ship. They are not responsible for profits. THe designers, engineers, and businessman are steering the ship making the company profitable. They deserve the money, not the line workers.

They can be replaced in a 2 days. But take Fords CEO. He helped keep ford out of trouble and is pushing the company into profitability. Despite the unions who are anchors and obstacles to profitability.

I have never seen a case where a dog wants to bite the hand that feeds him so clearly depicted as I do with the UAW.

There are dozens of plants around that have NO UAW and yet turn out better product.

My Gosh, they need to vanish. They have such an over-bloated sense of their own worth it sickens me.

It is like the spit pail boy taking credit for Evander Holyfields title.
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The move, which is considered to be routine...
...is no way indicative that they either will strike, nor that they feel they need to... yet.

The vote is simply a green light from the membership as the union enters negotiations. It happens on a regular basis.

It's unfortunate that corporate actions don't get as much press as union ones; it might show that the whole system's screwed up.
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It's unfortunate that corporate actions don't get as much press as union ones; it might show that the whole system's screwed up.
This.
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...is no way indicative that they either will strike, nor that they feel they need to... yet.

The vote is simply a green light from the membership as the union enters negotiations. It happens on a regular basis.
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Can't believe these fools are making $100,000 a year...
How about some actual research instead of talking points.
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How about some actual research instead of talking points.
Alrighty then...

I'm in production, and not the car industry, but there's widely documented cases of ridiculous wage making in our industry by the lowliest union stage hands. The stage hands (guys sweeping the floor, hanging the lights, and taking tickets etc) have documented taxable earnings over $300k per year by forcing quick turnarounds, meal penalties, and the like. $30 bucks an hour all of a sudden becomes $150 an hour.

Unions I deal with: Teamsters, IATSE.

Here is a couple of articles that discusses exactly what I am talking about:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...akes-290k-year

http://sadhillnews.com/2010/12/28/un...-290k-annually

Lincoln center stage hand averaged over $290k a year.

Metropolitan Opera averaged $330k a year.

Top Carnegie Hall hand: $422K A YEAR!!!!

If you think a dude who sells tickets and ushers and runs cable and techs lights deserves to be paid a DOCTOR SALARY just because the business is doing well YOU ARE CRAZY.

I can only imagine that there are similar examples in the UAW you just don't READ ABOUT THEM.

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Just because a company turns a profit does not mean that you derserve a raise. With no profit....no company. UAW really needs to learn that.
Why not? It works for the CEO & board. Hell, even if the company doesn't turn a profit it means a raise.
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I'm definitely not pro-Union, but the blame for Union wages lands squarely on BOTH sides of the bargaining table, not just UAW. Strike? Hire cheaper workers until the Union is forced out. If they treated their employees so well then Unions would be extinct.

As much as I'd love to jump on the Union-bashing bandwagon, I just don't see how this self-serving organization is maintaining its relevance without getting inside help from the organization as well.
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I can only imagine that there are similar examples in the UAW you just don't READ ABOUT THEM.
I'm sorry. I didn't realize this was a thread about theater workers.

I came to a different conclusion. I MUST be uneducated, due to intentional blindness. You're right...

I read about everything. Not just what I agree with, but also not just the articles about the worst-case people. Those are talking points.

I don't agree that we should take the people at the top end of the salary range, or the people dishonest enough to pad their paychecks.

And for the record, people deserve whatever they can get someone to pay. Rather than blame the workers and stick up for the CEOs like Ford's, why not blame the CEOs and decision makers, and let the workers have their promised pay.

And all the talk about them keeping their jobs forever, that's just plain not true. They aren't the first to go, but they're gone just like everyone else when the plant shuts down for three months because dealers have too much inventory. Also, with enough cause, the union lets people get fired all the time, or else they would lose credibility. The idiots at the top of the union make a bad name with their yelling, but when there's enough pressure, they get proven to be paper tigers. They will fight to protect a plant. They will NOT fight too hard to protect any one individual. That's just another talking point.

And don't tell me the job is easy. Maybe you don't have to think too much, but a lot of those things are physically tough. I can all but guarantee you the floor sweepers at the Big 3 auto plants aren't the ones making 6 figures. That's a talking point.

Why don't you try working in a paint booth, wearing a facemask and special suit for 9 or 10 hours a day...Or one of the places that's hotter than the rest of the plant because of what's done at that station...Or the people who have to crawl upside down in a cramped, uncarpeted interior, to do a blind operation under the cowl...Or the people who have to do some heavy lifting but without ergo arms because the plant didn't spend the money to add one at that station...

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I'm sorry. I didn't realize this was a thread about theater workers.

I came to a different conclusion. I MUST be uneducated, due to intentional blindness. You're right...
Oh, My bad... In my post when I said "these guys" I referred to ALL OVERPAID SELF ENTITLED union workers in this country, not limited to the UAW.

If you don't think of my examples in another industry indicate problems with union structure and business practices in general, then I don't know what will. It's a great example because the cost is transferred directly to the consumer... In the form of $500 tickets to Broadway shows. On top of that, the wages quoted in my articles are the result of THREAT OF STRIKING, which is what this thread is about in the first place.

So why don't you just take my post for what it is... A good example of unions taking more than they should and having political clout well above what it should be. I'd like other people who have experience dealing with unions chime in. Don't even get me STARTED on the Teamsters...

Oh, and the UAW workers CERTAINLY make more than $100k a year. They cost the auto companies over $70 an hour AVERAGE including benefits. You do the math.

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ALL OVERPAID SELF ENTITLED union workers in this country
What about the vast majority that are neither overpaid nor self entitled?

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If you don't think of my examples in another industry indicate problems with union structure and business practices in general, then I don't know what will.
Oh, I don't know...Maybe an example from the right industry and the right union...Different industries have different unions with different policies and different problems.

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It's a great example because the cost is transferred directly to the consumer... In the form of $500 tickets to Broadway shows.
The cost of everything is sent directly to customers. Whether it's upkeep of your theater, simple supply and demand for a great show, union workers, bad car design by non union engineers, the rising cost of plastics or metals, the cost going up isn't pinned on one thing.

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On top of that, the wages quoted in my articles are the result of THREAT OF STRIKING, which is what this thread is about in the first place.
Who begins a negotiation by saying, "Let's argue for months about all policies, but in the end, we'll take whatever you're willing to offer..."

The wages are the result of bad negotiating by the company, the skill of the negotiating by the unions, and pressure of timing and other production concerns putting some groups' backs against a wall.

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So why don't you just take my post for what it is... A good example of unions taking more than they should and having political clout well above what it should be. I'd like other people who have experience dealing with unions chime in. Don't even get me STARTED on the Teamsters...
I take it as a good example, but not the only example. Some examples are negative and some are positive. You keep accusing me of only seeing one side, but you're the one doing that.

I have PLENTY of experience with UAW workers. The good and the bad side. I am non-union, and spend plenty of time in the union plants. My mother is UAW, and I even had problems with some of the stuff that helped her, like the jobs bank. dumbest policy ever.

My dad is a non-union designer for GM, my brother is a non-union engineer at Ford, and I am a non-union engineer, originally from Chrysler, and now working in trucking instead of passenger vehicles. I have had plenty of experience with UAW specifically. Not just plant workers, but designers, some suppliers, some engineers, some mechanics.

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Oh, and the UAW workers CERTAINLY make more than $100k a year. They cost the auto companies over $70 an hour AVERAGE including benefits. You do the math.
The UAW isn't just sweepers and screw tighteners, but designers, some suppliers, some engineers, some mechanics too. Include them and the salary naturally goes up. I never said nobody in the UAW did, i said floor sweepers don't make $100,000/year.

Your $70.00($73.06 according to some numbers I read) includes benefits, and isn't PLUS benefits. Even then, it's exaggerated. If your beloved non-union plants had 40 years worth of living retired people in a country, they'd have more costs per vehicle too.

Try this...from associatedcontent.com, though I've read versions of this explanation dozens of times since the bailout discussion.

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Indeed, financial aid for General Motors, Ford and Chrysler would spill down into the UAW ranks, the same as a bailout is preserving jobs on Wall Street for the likes of AIG and so forth. The problem is that average UAW pay is highly exaggerated.

Auto workers aren't making $70 an hour. Some were known to work 70 hours a week during peak production of the past, but no, $70 an hour is a myth that somehow is lodging as fact among much of the general public.

Leaders of the United Auto Workers are striving to combat this myth. The UAW reports, and news organizations have confirmed, that the average wage for a veteran auto worker is $28 per hour. Many cashiers and nurse aides and burger flippers still will perceive that this is too high, but at least the number is in perspective. Furthermore, the Big Three automakers have negotiated to bring general entry level wages down to as low as $12 per hour.

As for generous benefits, yes, UAW members have some of the best benefits of any union. They don't have to worry about visiting the doctor or paying for prescriptions. The cost of these benefits is the equivalent of roughly $10 per hour. Add the "bennies" to the base wage of $28 an hour, and you get a total of $38 per hour.
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They are not steering the ship. They are not responsible for profits. THe designers, engineers, and businessman are steering the ship making the company profitable. They deserve the money, not the line workers.
Some designers and engineers ARE uaw. I'm sitting next to one right now. And even the plant workers have a say in execution and sometimes design. Every plant I've been to has a suggestion box. For the programs I worked on for Chrysler, the line workers on my parts had a direct line to me, and quite often gave me ideas to save the company more than $100,000 a year. If that isn't driving profit, I don't know what is.

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I already posted a link that discusses this, IIRC not only does that include benefits, it also included the benefits paid to past retirees whose pensions and healthcare were not fully funded then.
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