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Old 09-02-2011, 11:52 AM   #1
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Default LFA Nurburgring Edition Sets New Production Record

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/02/l...production-re/


The web is afire with news that Lexus has managed to demolish the standing production-car record at the Nürburgring Nordschleife. The news comes courtesy of EVO Magazine's own Chris Harris and Lexus itself via the miracle of Twitter. Lexus test driver Akira Iida reportedly managed to twist the LFA Nürburgring Edition around the infamous circuit in 7:14. If true, that time puts the carbon-fiber exotic four-seconds ahead of the previous production-car champion, the Porsche 911 GT2 RS, at 7:18, and it puts the LFA Nürburgring Edition in the top five quickest vehicles to ever run the track.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:02 PM   #2
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But it's an overpriced hunk of crap that doesn't have enough power and it's a Toyota and it's expensive and blah blah blah11!1!!!

<--- Loves the LFA.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:31 PM   #3
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:58 PM   #4
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But it's an overpriced hunk of crap that doesn't have enough power and it's a Toyota and it's expensive and blah blah blah11!1!!!

<--- Loves the LFA.
Yeah. LFA is to typical Toyota, as Veyron is to typical Volkswagen.



I like it, too.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:39 PM   #5
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... and it sounded amazing doing it.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:24 PM   #6
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:32 PM   #7
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Haters gonna hate.
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:45 PM   #8
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In defence of haters, this is pretty much the first piece of data that even hints at spectacular performance.

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Old 09-02-2011, 05:54 PM   #9
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LFA is an amazing car.

People only think about brand. Toyota maybe linked with cheap economy Camry and Corolla cars. But don't realize their engineering resources are just as capable as Ferrari, I bet even more advanced than Ferrari, as they have their own carbon fiber weaver.

It's easy to make a supercar. I doubt Ferrari can build a good Corolla.

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Old 09-02-2011, 06:21 PM   #10
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In defence of haters, this is pretty much the first piece of data that even hints at spectacular performance.

FBIHC
Mind you, most "haters" have been happy to trot out various Youtube videos of the GTR beating the LFA in the 1/4 mile as a measuring stick of performance, so I guess this time won't change their minds anyhow. Most of the actually decent reviewers (Chris from EVO, Tiff from Fifth Gear) have lauded a lot of praise on the vehicle but it falls mostly to deaf ears because of the Lexus brand name.

Did they have two people in the car for this run?

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Old 09-02-2011, 06:37 PM   #11
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Most of the praise I have seen have been in regards to its excellence in engineering, quality etc, completeness of package, not really performance praise.

I am not a hater, but they do have some points worth considering. Anyways, Id buy one and put a rock on the accelerator pedal in my driveway.....just to hear it. The sound is haunting.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:26 PM   #12
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So what's the difference between the regular LFA and this LFA?
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:45 PM   #13
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Finally some validation for the LFA. And well deserved. I hope they enjoy it for the short time before the new McLaren knocks them off the top of the heap.

I'm not so sure about Toyota having engineering on par or better than Ferrari. It's certainly one of the best outfits on the planet, but if they were better than Ferrari I'd expect them to have a recent F1 title or two under their belts...

Haters gonna hate, but I am so sick of seeing this car get trounced in the 1/4 by the GTR and SCIC kids saying "GTR@$85k > LFA@$300k." You are totally missing the point if you subscribe to that thinking. The motor in the LFA ALONE is worth more than a GTR just for the sound it makes tearing up apexes.

Toyota, I hope you start producing a car I can afford that upholds the same ideals as the LFA. Light weight. A wonderfully balanced motor/chassis combination. Individual throttle bodies. What BMW M used to do. Produce it and I will buy it.

I don't care what the badge is...
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They'll have something close to what you want here soon, of course so will Subaru.
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Old 09-02-2011, 08:30 PM   #15
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So what's the difference between the regular LFA and this LFA?
I bet this LFA is significantly different (in terms of suspension/chassis and traction control tuning) from the ones on the street right now, and nobody said what tires it was running
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Most of the praise I have seen have been in regards to its excellence in engineering, quality etc, completeness of package, not really performance praise.
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"Although the LFA lap time is slower than the chief engineer's "better than 7:20" claim, Sport Auto cited LFA ran exactly the same lap time with the same driver as other major competitors like the Ferrari 458 Italia, the Corvette ZR1 with Michelin Pilot Sport 2 (PS2) tires and 2 seconds faster than the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG, 2 seconds faster than the Porsche 911 (997.2) GT3, 4 seconds faster than the Lamborghini Murciélago LP-670 SV, 10 seconds faster than the Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 and 9 seconds faster than the Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano. All tests were conducted by the same driver, Horst von Saurma."

"Auto Zeitung Germany[81] in the August 2010 edition conducted a comparison between Lexus LFA and Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG. Around Contidrom race track, LFA turned a faster lap time by 1.8 seconds of 1:35.66 as compared to 1:37.50 of the SLS AMG. Although, the start sector both cars hit 204–208 km/h (127–129 mph), LFA continuously hit higher speeds in the high speed sector, dynamic sector where agility and spontaneous reactions are measured eventually turning in faster lap. AutoZeitung raved about LFA's handling, chassis control and race car-like reflexes and response."

"Lexus LFA turned in the fastest Nurburgring lap time (7:38,85), which was faster by nearly 2 seconds than the Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera (7:40,76) and almost 5 seconds faster than the GT-R (7:43,65), 6 seconds faster than the SLS AMG and almost 12 seconds faster than the Wiesmann. The Nurburgring 20.8 km test driver Sascha Bert stated "LFA was built for the Nurburgring race track.""

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Battle of the Supercars[83] did a head-to-head comparison of Audi R8 V10 with the Lexus LFA with Tanner Foust driving the LFA and Paul Tracy driving the R8 V10. LFA comprehensively was declared the winner by the presenter where LFA lapped the short 1-mile track 1 full second faster than the R8 V10 with a lap time of 48.9 for the LFA versus 49.9 R8 despite Tanner having difficulties launching the Lexus LFA in the 1-mile road course lap and also the standing mile drag race where LFA won despite a delayed launch (no launch control used for these runs). This test also saw LFA using launch control for the first time in the 0-100-0 mph test, which led to the LFA accelerating from 0–161 km/h (0–100 mph) much faster than the R8 V10. The R8 V10 conventional brakes brought the car to a stop to 0 mph quicker than the LFA's ceramic carbon brakes. However, in the behind the scenes footage, it was shown the LFA's carbon brakes meant for hardcore track usage were not warmed up properly, which is essential for carbon brakes to perform at their best. In the successive run, R8 V10 brakes suffered massive brake fade increasing the distance 17 feet while LFA carbon brakes were consistently getting better braking shorter in every successive run. In every 0 - 100 mph sprint shown in the behind the scenes footage, LFA out-launched and out-accelerated the R8 V10. In the top speed, rolling start run on the 3.2 km (2 mi) runway, LFA hit a speed of 296.3 km/h (184.1 mph) while the R8 V10 hit a speed of 298 km/h (185 mph). Tanner Foust explained there was no way to retract the LFA wing spoiler (deploys automatically at 80 km/h (50 mph)) at high speeds increasing drag substantially, which had cost him 6–10 km/h (4–6 mph)."

All from the wiki article. I guess it just depends on who you're looking to get performance info from...
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LFA is an amazing car.

People only think about brand. Toyota maybe linked with cheap economy Camry and Corolla cars. But don't realize their engineering resources are just as capable as Ferrari, I bet even more advanced than Ferrari, as they have their own carbon fiber weaver.

It's easy to make a supercar. I doubt Ferrari can build a good Corolla.
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Old 09-02-2011, 10:12 PM   #18
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This article sold me on the LFA:
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...lexus-lfa.aspx

Fast or not, it is an incredible feat of engineering. The attention to detail is what justifies the price. Maybe there are faster cars out there, but there aren't many better cars.
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The car shows what Lexus/Toyota is capable of, but how many of us can really enjoy one? It's priced out of range for most. All that technology is not trickled down to anything else they sell. And that's why it's pointless.

Oh yeah, and the GT-R will smack it around all day!
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And of course wikipedia highlights favorable reviews of the LFA of which I am not too suprised there are some. Honestly looking carefully at those reviews the praise seems a bit faint for me though.

I guess its a decent acheivement it was found to be similarly quick to a ZR-1 and Italia, though I am suspiscious of the "Exact same time" comment. Comparisons to GT 3s, R8, Sls, and similar don't seem too relevant too me.

I guess at 350K$ for lease or whatever that sketchy deal is, I require "eats gt2s for breakfast, stomps on italias, embarreses Zr1s, and runs with Zondas". Perhaps I am a drama queen though.

I did search google a bit and found several articles where the LFA was compared favorably with other high end sports cars. The competitors always seem to be much cheaper and about as fast.

Example Autocar Review:

http://sportscarforums.com/f11/458-i...ble-36042.html
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The car shows what Lexus/Toyota is capable of, but how many of us can really enjoy one? It's priced out of range for most. All that technology is not trickled down to anything else they sell. And that's why it's pointless.

Oh yeah, and the GT-R will smack it around all day!
The LFA is an advanced engineering achievement. It doesn't matter if everyone can enjoy it or not.

It's like super expensive military weapons. They are sophisticated and expensive, so to keep out of wrong hands.

Besides everyone is "capable" of doing well, many chose not to. Few people on this board own Lambo and Porsches. And I am striving to.
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I still don't understand why someone would prefer this over an MP4-12C. I can only assume the McLaren rides worlds better, has more power, has more torque, is an amazingly chunk lighter, faster, quicker, less expensive, and within an inch of LxWxH of the LFA. I have NEVER enjoyed driving something tightly sprung on public roads.
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The LFA is an advanced engineering achievement. It doesn't matter if everyone can enjoy it or not.

It's like super expensive military weapons. They are sophisticated and expensive, so to keep out of wrong hands.

Besides everyone is "capable" of doing well, many chose not to. Few people on this board own Lambo and Porsches. And I am striving to.
One thing, super expensive military weapons are expensive to keep them out of the wrong hands, they're expensive so the company producing them can make money. Lots and lots of money.
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But it's an overpriced hunk of crap that doesn't have enough power and it's a Toyota and it's expensive and blah blah blah11!1!!!

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Did you ever hear the story of the Fox and the Grapes?
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The LFA is an advanced engineering achievement. It doesn't matter if everyone can enjoy it or not.

It's like super expensive military weapons. They are sophisticated and expensive, so to keep out of wrong hands.

Besides everyone is "capable" of doing well, many chose not to. Few people on this board own Lambo and Porsches. And I am striving to.
Really, because as I see it, this car is a purpose built car. It's designed to run the ring as fast as possible (hence the special edition tag). It's set-up with the ideal chasis & possibly tires to accomplish these times. If all manufacturers did this it would be the same result! What makes this so cutting edge? The ZR-1 did a great time with a change of tires, the GT-R also a great time with 4000 lbs., and a not so aggressive tire set-up.
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