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Old 09-13-2011, 10:45 AM   #26
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From what I have read, you tell them what springs you have and they can send you them ready to install, send your fronts back a get a core refund of $175. Or you can do the insert yourself.
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Old 09-13-2011, 12:01 PM   #27
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I'm sure Feal would do this, but they must have a setting (and spring set) in mind for the initial package
If you take the inital review, stock class auto-x is the intended application.

I guess we just come at it from a different angle. Feal as far as I know is a small shop, and these inserts, when I had inquired about them, were built for you when you ordered them. When I order a Cheeseburger at Wendy's , I just tell them what I want on it. I don't actually know what the "stock" cheesburger has on it, but what do I care? Comparison to Bilsteins doesn't seem valid, we know it is a product made in a factory in Germany in a specific way, though I understand RCE can re-valve them after the fact now.

If it were me and I was interested in the part, I'd just e-mail or call Odi and see if he can set me up with what I need. In my limited experience, Odi seems to have a knack for taking a conversation about what type of driving you do and what relevant parts you have and turning that into a shock valving that makes one happy.
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Old 09-13-2011, 01:35 PM   #28
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The shock are design to work with the stock 2011 wrx springs. Odi can tell you exactly what changes were mad and how the compare to some other replacements out there.

You are required to mod the front strut housing and rear shock perch for this upgrade. It is however very worthwhile. The 2011 WRX owner that has the test set on it, came from a stock 08 Evo X MR. He was not happy with the stock suspensions performance, specifically the rear shocks. The upgrade for him was a no brainer. His car now handles better than his Evo did.

I also have the Feal setup on my GR STI that is far more agressive than the WRX.
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Old 09-13-2011, 03:38 PM   #29
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This is a constructive thread and I appreciate the feedback regarding valving for specific spring rates.

The test set was valved for the 2009-11 WRX springs. This is the same valving we use for the 2008-2010 STI rear shocks because the springs rates are almost identical.

I will have to double check if the front insert default valving will work well with RCE Yellows.

I think we will offer custom valving free of charge when selling this kit. The use of 2008 WRX springs would require custom valving since they are so soft.

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Old 09-13-2011, 03:46 PM   #30
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Feal, there is a WRX specific version of the RCE Yellows for the 08+ Impreza. I think the rates are fairly close to the STI version, but if you're a RCE dealer just a heads up if you start packaging them.
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:12 PM   #31
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I think Feal (and 2superblus) just answered most of my questions. However, I now know about the front housing cut (NBD), but I wasn't aware of the rear perch modification. Would one of you care to explain this a little? Also, a target price would be nice to know, too. (Sure, I could just call, but that wouldn't help others out on the board who might be considering this product.)

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...RCE Yellows...I think the rates are fairly close to the STI version...
Power6 has these numbers, so I'm sure he'll chime in. As he has pointed out to me, there are lots of possible OEM and other spring combinations
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:55 PM   #32
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Price cannot be posted due to noa a forsale thread/ forum rules was my understanding. The factory rear spring perch is taken off ( slides off with the light encouragment of a hammer) the crummy stock shock and cut/modified to be reused on the rear replacment shock. I will see if I have pics at home.
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Old 09-13-2011, 10:03 PM   #33
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ah... didn't know rears had some work to be done... would have thought be something similar to koni (only the fronts)...

for details/work to be done... be good to see what's required/work. pics would be great.

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Old 09-14-2011, 12:08 PM   #34
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Odi Feal has been doing the cut work on core rear shocks for most of the people who have this setup. I did them on mine with a hack saw and a grinder to remove the bur and clean it up.
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:42 PM   #35
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Great, that picture answers the question perfectly, thanks. Like the fronts, this is NBD with the right tools and a little elbow grease.

As for price, since FEAL is a registered vendor, IINM he just needs to place it in the Vendor "for sale" Classifides. Once he's ready, that is.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:36 PM   #36
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Well we attended the two day Milwaukee National Street Tire Challenge this weekend. We ended up in 2nd / 3rd in class and 5th / 6th overall. I ended up .078 out of 1st place due to poor driving on my part on day 1. The Feal Setup again did it's job performing consistanly provide the best balance for a stock class car. The car owner is looking forward to the next event when we compete, his car vs mine.
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Old 09-28-2011, 06:12 PM   #37
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I'll have another kit finished up in October and will run some more tests. These should be ready to go early Dec., probably sooner.

I am working on a kit that upgrades this kit to a full coilover system. The kit will come with 60mm main springs, helper springs, spring seats, and threaded housings for the front inserts.

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Old 09-29-2011, 12:02 PM   #38
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Well we attended the two day Milwaukee National Street Tire Challenge this weekend. We ended up in 2nd / 3rd in class and 5th / 6th overall. I ended up .078 out of 1st place due to poor driving on my part on day 1. The Feal Setup again did it's job performing consistanly provide the best balance for a stock class car.
Did I miss some valid comparison you did with other setups besides stock to make such a claim?
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Old 09-29-2011, 05:40 PM   #39
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It is my opinion that this new Feal setup is a better option than the Koni's or the RCE Bilsteins.

Feals are Monotube. They can be custom valved quickly and have more options should you want to change them to a fully adjustable coilover in the future if one was to go STU.

I have owned Koni's before (not on the GR platform), they aren't all they are cracked up to be.
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Old 09-29-2011, 08:25 PM   #40
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It is my opinion that this new Feal setup is a better option than the Koni's or the RCE Bilsteins.

Feals are Monotube. They can be custom valved quickly and have more options should you want to change them to a fully adjustable coilover in the future if one was to go STU.

I have owned Koni's before (not on the GR platform), they aren't all they are cracked up to be.
I see. I don't think anyone could say off the shelf Koni's are the best option without a back to back comparison to any brand, but my Mazda3 Koni's don't feel like my WRX Koni's. Maybe the valving's different. I think they can be revalved as easy as any shock, and like, the same day if you show up to their truck at Nationals. Anyway, I see some benefits, but certainly wouldn't proclaim whatever's on the car the best every time I win or almost win an autox event. All the best to Feal as another affordable option is always welcome.
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Old 10-26-2011, 07:10 PM   #42
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let me know if you have any other questions on them
when will these be available?
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:31 PM   #43
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when will these be available?
Late November early December. I'm really excited for this kit.

We will have a coilover conversion for the kit as well. This way if you ever want to switch to a coilover system, you will not have to buy new shocks.
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:09 AM   #44
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I'm in the market for suspension. What's will the turn around time be on ordering struts with valving for a particular spring rate and them arriving at my door?
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:27 AM   #45
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so whats the deal we send out struts to him and hell cut em for us or does he have some as core and we just send ours back to get reinburst or am i missing something??
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:32 AM   #46
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:33 PM   #47
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I'm in the market for suspension. What's will the turn around time be on ordering struts with valving for a particular spring rate and them arriving at my door?
The turn around from placing the order for a set valved to your needs will be about two business days to build. Ground shipping is typically four business days to ship accross the country.

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so whats the deal we send out struts to him and hell cut em for us or does he have some as core and we just send ours back to get reinburst or am i missing something??
As of now, we do not have strut cores. The kit will come with install instructions. Or, we can install the inserts and rear spring seat if you ship us your struts.
I am sure we will acquire strut cores soon, and then we will be able to send you "ready to bolt in struts".
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Old 11-21-2011, 04:56 PM   #48
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Alright that's what I figured it's gonna be a little before Ido this anyways so hopefully you'll have strut cores when I'm rede unless I find a set of used ones then I'll get ahold of you sooner cuz this is my daily driver only car I got. J
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:18 PM   #49
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I wanted to shine some light on the front insert install. It is fairly simple and it does not require many tools.


Tools required:
  1. Drill
  2. 13mm drill bit
  3. small diameter drill bit (anything around 2mm to 5mm)
  4. Big flat head screw driver
  5. Hammer
  6. 17mm wrench or socket
  7. Something to cut metal (hand blade, chop saw, angle grinder, what ever cuts metal)
If you do not have these tools or simply do not feel comfortable installing the inserts, we can install them free of charge.

This install was performed on a 2008 WRX.

Mark the center of the bottom of the strut. You can use a marker or a punch.


Drill a small hole where you marked. There is a little bit of nitrogen pressure and oil that will come out once you drill all the way through. So don't wear your favorite shirt and safety glasses are a good idea.


Drain the shock oil. Try to resist using your strut as a shock fluid super soaker on your friends. Shock oil stains.


Knock off the dust cover using a flat head srew driver and hammer.


Cut the top of the strut body through the first layer of metal all the way around. Cut at the very top about 2mm below the top edge.


Then pull out the internals and you should be left with a hollow strut housing. You can now drill the hole at the bottom with the 13mm drill bit. Clean out the debris from the strut housing before fitting the Feal insert into the strut housing.


Slide the insert in gently and check to make sure the hole you drilled is centered well enough by screwing the supplied bolt into the bottom of the insert. If bolt does not line up with bottom of insert, remove insert and drill the hole 1mm bigger in diameter.



If the bottom bolt threads in by hand, go ahead and give the insert a hard push to seat it all the way into the strut housing. If the bolt threads in by hand atleast half way, you can tighten it using a wrench or socket. Tighten the bolt to XX lbs/inch.

The supplied collor should fit flush into the strut housing and the insert fitment should look like the photo below.


The collar already comes placed on the strut insert, but for the curious type, here is a photo of what it looks like by itself.


Now you are ready to pair up the struts with the springs you choose.

I will post the rear shock install after the Holiday.
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Rear Shock install

After removing the shock spring, you must cut off the original spring seat. Cut the spring seat right where it start to taper into a flat surface. Cutting the spring seat at this location will make the spring seat have a 60mm (2.36") inside diameter.





Remove the spring through the top of the shock. The spring seat should fit snug over the threaded shock body and sit on top of the black spring collar and under the red spring collar.

For stock ride height, place the spring collar such that the lowest part of the spring collar is 135mm (5.31") from the center of the lower shock bushing. Tighten the red collar against the black collar to secure the spring seat in place.

The assembly should look like this:



Install the original dust cover over the bump sop of the new shock. Then install the washer (cupped downard towards the bottom of the shock), and install the supplied bushing over the washer.



Now you are ready to install the springs you wanted to run on your car and enjoy awesome suspension!
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