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Old 07-29-2002, 05:29 PM   #1
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Question 17"s for winters.. Yay or Nay?

I have a chance to sell my stock 16" GT wheels. Was originally planning on using them for winters but I've never liked the feel of the RE92's for the whole sixteen kilometers I've used them. So, the potential buyer is offering me enough so that I'll be able to purchase a set of 17" Rota Attacks and a with a bit of my own money, to get a set of blizzaks for them.

My question is: are 17" rims feasible for winters? Or am I delusional?
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Old 07-29-2002, 05:39 PM   #2
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Hiroki

Going to seventeens for winter is not the most ideal solution. One you will be running a bigger width (215) than stock (205) which will lead to less traction. Second the availability of quality snow tires will be limited since most of the good ones come in 16" or smaller. The real reason they even make snow tires in 17" is to clear big brake cars. (Porsche, Corvette, etc. . . ) I think you should do more research on the subject but ultimately it is your choice.
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Old 07-29-2002, 05:40 PM   #3
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Not really, but doable. I would take the money, get some S0-3s on the 17s and then pick up some cheep 15s for winter.

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Old 07-29-2002, 05:43 PM   #4
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he's already got BBS 17's on it, so he doesn't need summer tires.......
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Old 07-29-2002, 06:13 PM   #5
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For winter tires Id even suggest 15. My reason is the 15 and 16 inch sizes have the most choices for higher performance snow and rain tires, plus the cost is less (since they are so common).

What kind of weather do you get?
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Old 07-29-2002, 06:26 PM   #6
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Yep, it's hard to find a good selection of snow tires in 17". And they are quite a bit more expensive, if that matters to you.
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Old 07-29-2002, 08:42 PM   #7
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I just picked up some 16" wheels today for snow tires. There is a great selection of tires in 205/55/16, since it's so common. And they can be had fairly cheaply.

I would stay away from going to 15", though. If you're used to running 17" with an aspect ratio of 45, the much taller sidewall on the 15's will feel squirmy.

I'd just swap the RE-92's for some actual snowies on the GT rims.

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Old 07-29-2002, 08:43 PM   #8
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Hiroki Tada - speaking from the standpoint of a fellow Canadian and Legacy owner, I'd say keep your 16", sell the tires and get yourself a set of Nokian Hakka NRW's (since you're in Toronto they will be more then sufficient as a winter tire). In fact I use the NRW's on all my cars in the winter, and we get much more sever conditions then out in Toronto when it comes to snow and black ice.
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Old 07-29-2002, 09:53 PM   #9
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Actually, Im in Guelph for the winter and its a small lil' country town with a little under half of the roads unpaved. We get quite a bit of snow up here.

So the majority of you think I shouldnt go with 16" for winters? I really dont like the look of the GT rims. Also, Im planning on bumping up the brake sizes so that in the future 17" rims would be the min. size to fit over the discs. If 17"s are a bad idea for winters, does anyone have any recommendations of nice looking, strong 16" that I can use for winters then? I was lookin at a set of Rota attacks b/c they seem like a nice strong sturdy rim that wont break the bank.

Im still a bit undecided on the whole thing but one thing is certain. Im not driving on snowed over Guelph roads with the RE92's.

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Old 07-29-2002, 10:40 PM   #10
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If the roads are that snow up their start the search with the Nokian Hakepalitas (sp?). These seem to be the best snow/ice tire out there. Check out what sizes they sell them in. Post that info up and we can help you with wheel choices. If you are going to upgrade the brakes to say Subaru OEM 4 pots than the RS wheels will clear them, but Legacy GT/ WRX wheels will not. They are 6 1/2 inches. I believe that ultimately 16" wheels will be the best since you see quite a lot of snow and I bet you want to take the Sube out and have fun in it. With the 16's you will be able to do this with no compromises, with the 17's I believe the rubber choice might leave you stranded.
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Old 07-29-2002, 10:45 PM   #11
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Hiroki Tada - If you don't like the look, trade it w/ someone who has WRX wheels or RS wheels.

Wait for iON's up and comming 4 pot brake upgrade. you'll be able to use 16x6.5" wheels, as they bump it up to the WRX sized rotor

Get the Hakka Q's or 1's if you're in Guelph. 205/55/16 will be perfect

Snow drifts here in Calgary sometime get to about 1m high in certain suburbs... then factor in all the hills etc, and you've got yourself some awesome "winter fun" terrain I find that the Hakka NRW's are plenty enough for even conditions like that here in Calgary. the Q's or 1's are the ultimate in winter/ice.
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Old 07-29-2002, 11:07 PM   #12
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Andy,

Keep an eye out in early September for a group buy on our site. There will be a great deal from our sponsor coming up, since they are the "Distributor" of Nokian tires along with Steelcase tires.

The Group Buy will be for: Steelies with Hakk1's, pricing has not been finalized yet, but knowing the great deals we get from Wheels Direct, it should be more than good.

Anyways, just like the Falken Group Buy that we did, we'll be having an "Install Day" meet for the participants.

If you don't mind driving on Steelies (steel rims) for the winter, go ahead and sell your stock GT rims. But for your BBS wheels, keep them stored in a cool dry place for the winter. Alloy wheels tend to develop aluminum oxide (aluminum rust) at the bead over time if used in the winter.

I personally use my stock 16's for winter with real winter tires, and for our Outback VDC, I equip that with Hakka 1's with 16" steel wheels (15" wheels do not fit over the calipers on the Outback VDC).

Hope this helps.
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Old 07-30-2002, 03:00 AM   #13
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Very well.. I shall listen to the once again extremely logical advice of our distinguished i-club Legacy brethren.

I suppose I'll sell the GT rims and use the money for WRX rims and use the remainder for winters then. They certainly seem quite inexpensive since the WRX boys keep buying aftermarket and unload them cheap. Only customs/duties bother me tho.

Or I could try to unload them at the dealer for the new '03 GT rims.
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Old 07-30-2002, 03:28 AM   #14
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Very well.. I shall listen to the once again extremely logical advice of our distinguished i-club Legacy brethren.

I suppose I'll sell the GT rims and use the money for WRX rims and use the remainder for winters then.
a wise decision oh grass-happa
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Old 07-30-2002, 10:01 AM   #15
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but if you want to go to bigger brakes, I thought the WRX 16's wouldn't clear 4 pots?
get RS rims, there are always people who want to trade.....
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Old 07-30-2002, 11:02 AM   #16
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brings up an intersting question:

"Or I could try to unload them at the dealer for the new '03 GT rims. "

I wonder if the 03 Legacy GT wheels will clear 4pots?

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Old 07-30-2002, 12:58 PM   #17
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Better solution: get some Sport Edition Fox 5s from Tire Rack. They're cheap, strong, and weigh 19 lbs for a 16x7. I got mine for $85 per wheel, and put Blizzaks on 'em. The offset is +50, and they clear the 4-pots just fine and dandy. The Fox 5s look like the stock WRX wheel, only a lot nicer somehow. Better minds than mine have attempted to determine why this is so.

The WRX rims don't clear the 4-pots, because they're 16x6.5 just like the GT wheels are.

Oh...on topic, 17" snows have distressingly ski-like qualities, especially in the deep stuff. If anything, you want to go minus-1, or the smallest wheel that will clear your brake calipers. I run 17x7 in summer and 17x7 in winter.

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Old 07-30-2002, 02:13 PM   #18
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I run 17x7 in summer and 17x7 in winter.
gtguy, you mean 16x7 for the winter don't you
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Old 07-30-2002, 03:15 PM   #19
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If anything going to 195 would help with traction on R16. If you're running 15's during the winter like me, move to 185/65R15. Way better traction, but brakes suck.
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Old 07-30-2002, 03:46 PM   #20
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gtguy, you mean 16x7 for the winter don't you
D-oh! Yes, 16x7.

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Old 07-30-2002, 05:35 PM   #21
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sybir - yes OE 4 pots won't fit under the 16x6.5" wheel (a la GT or USDM WRX), however several aftermarket ones will fit

gtguy - yup you're right about the OE wheel... that 16x7 is fairly cheap, definately worth it's money being winters. However, his dilemma is x-border purchases... customs is crazy!


rallysquirrel - from 205/55/16 ->195/60/16 would be the -1 sizing, however if paved roads w/ ice is what's being travelled on more then the OE sized is better.
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Old 07-30-2002, 08:38 PM   #22
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sybir - yes OE 4 pots won't fit under the 16x6.5" wheel (a la GT or USDM WRX), however several aftermarket ones will fit

gtguy - yup you're right about the OE wheel... that 16x7 is fairly cheap, definately worth it's money being winters. However, his dilemma is x-border purchases... customs is crazy!


rallysquirrel - from 205/55/16 ->195/60/16 would be the -1 sizing, however if paved roads w/ ice is what's being travelled on more then the OE sized is better.
And I think that GTBGUY even knows of a company who might have already developed a 4-pot caliper that will fit under the (gorgeous) GT wheels. As an aside, are those wheels going to survive the new Legacies? I thought the wheels were changing on the GT...

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Old 07-30-2002, 09:05 PM   #23
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And I think that GTBGUY even knows of a company who might have already developed a 4-pot caliper that will fit under the (gorgeous) GT wheels. As an aside, are those wheels going to survive the new Legacies? I thought the wheels were changing on the GT...

Kevin
There are new wheels for the '03 GT. Unfortunately I dislike both. But if I were to choose I'd take the '03 rims. I suppose I'll try to find some 16 X 7's pretty cheap.
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Old 07-30-2002, 09:17 PM   #24
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If anything going to 195 would help with traction on R16. If you're running 15's during the winter like me, move to 185/65R15. Way better traction, but brakes suck.
I think a switch from 215/45R17 to a 185/65R15 would be way way too much of a difference for me. It'll feel like Im driving on rails.

I think OEM sized tires should do it for me.
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Old 07-31-2002, 02:21 AM   #25
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A bunch of us here in Vancouver have found that the Speedline 15" rally wheels are just the ticket as an off-road or winter wheel option. Hey, if they're good enough for the Subaru Canada rally team...



- strong forged alloy
- correct off set
- clears OEM 4 pot calipers (but USDM WRX front calipers require minor "grinding" due to some weird casting line that interferes by 1/8")

...and you can get them in silver or gold

There's another GB coming up in September here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=221875

There's install details and more photos of the wheels on a 2.5RS here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=217460

Now all I need is a new set of snow/ice tires....hmmm Hakka Q's or Toyo Observe Garit..? (decisions, decisions).

Oh, and I ran 185/65-15 on steelies last winter. They were OK, but lowered the car 1/2". I think I'll try 195/65-15s this year.

Cheers ,

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