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Old 09-03-2011, 08:58 AM   #1
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Put the pedal to the metal and get it in gear, today the max speed limit in Texas was officially raise to 85 MPH. Woohoo, yee-doggy!
But it will still be some time before motorists are allowed to actually go 85 MPH. While the speed limit has changed, the speed limit signs have not. The Texas Department of Transportation will first be evaluating which stretches of highways can safely have their speed limits increased to just 75 from 70. The study will be completed, along with the posting of the new signs, by 2013.
Today Texas also repealed speed limit signs that mandated a 5 MPH slower speed limit when driving at night.
Who wants to drive across vast stretches of blandness as fast as possible with me to celebrate?!?!


When the 55 mile per hour national speed limit was repealed in 1987, states were once again free to establish speed limits based on safety standards, not just fuel economy. States in the overpopulated and traffic-choked Northeast set a fairly conservative limit of 65 mph on interstate highways, while less population-dense Western states gave drivers a bit more free reign.

Montana, for example, initially set their interstate speed limit at “reasonable and prudent.” This turned out to be a bad great idea, since the definition of “reasonable and prudent” varied greatly from driver to driver. Until it was changed back to 75 mph on interstate highways, Montana probably had more tourists driving Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Corvettes than any other state in the nation.

Today, Utah and portions of Texas have the highest interstate speed limits, capped at 80 mph. That will soon change, since Texas just approved a new maximum speed limit of 85 miles per hour. It’s not all good news, however, since the new speed limit doesn’t go into effect right away and will only apply to certain (desolate) portions of interstate highway in the Lone Star State.

The first step before Texas becomes the new Montana is a review of interstate highways, to determine which ones can have speed limits raised from 70 to 75 mph. Only after this is finished will the state review highways for an increase from 80 to 85 mph, and chances are good that only stretches of Interstate 10 in West Texas will get the nod. The review, and the resulting changes, must be posted by 2013.

http://consumerist.com/2011/09/texas...to-85-mph.html
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:32 AM   #2
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Todays cars can stop, turn, maneuver, react faster and better at 85mph than just about anything on the road at 70mph back in 1987. Its about time every state raised the limit to 80 or 85mph.
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Old 09-04-2011, 01:44 AM   #3
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Todays vehicles can react better than the 80's but the drivers are the ones that cannot.
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Old 09-04-2011, 04:38 AM   #4
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And at the other end of the spectrum, Georgia recently passed a "super speeder" law where people going 16+ over the speed limit are hit with a $200+ fine and all the speed limits on the interstate were quietly dropped to 55.

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Old 09-04-2011, 05:55 AM   #5
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And at the other end of the spectrum, Georgia recently passed a "super speeder" law where people going 16+ over the speed limit are hit with a $200+ fine and all the speed limits on the interstate were quietly dropped to 55.

Id be happy if going 16+ yielded a 200$+ ticket. In SC anything over 10+ past the sign yields a reckless driving which is a $445 ticket and a mandatory court appearance...
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Old 09-04-2011, 07:24 AM   #6
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Todays cars can stop, turn, maneuver, react faster and better at 85mph than just about anything on the road at 70mph back in 1987. Its about time every state raised the limit to 80 or 85mph.

85mph is too fast on the roads near me. 75 would be reasonable, which would mean a 70mph limit. The only exception might be I-90 west of 495. There are just too many corners which are excessively blind at high speed.

Moreover, I don't think the inspection system is strict enough to start bumping up the speed limit. There are a lot of cars on the road which aren't in good enough shape to be doing 85-90 mph (or even 65 for that matter). I see enough cars with blowouts parked on the side of the road as-is.

Thirdly, there is too wide a variation in power available - 90mph traffic would mean bigger variation in actual speed driven, and that's dangerous too. I personally wouldn't want to drive 90 all the time, as my car doesn't really have the power to maintain that comfortably for long periods of time. With the wide range of cars available with small displacement motors making ~100hp expecting 90mph traffic is unreasonable.





I like driving fast, and regularly enjoy the various flavors of racing available to me. With that said: commuting is not a race. The speed limits aren't low because your car isn't fast, they're low so you have time to stop completely in the event that something dangerous is stopped in the road. Speed limits should not, and are not, set to "slightly slower than taking a corner on two wheels".

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Old 09-04-2011, 07:40 AM   #7
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My father and I argued about the speed limit when I got my first ticket in 1991 with his Supra. Alas, my argument that driving his car at 90mph on a desolate highway in Wisconsin is well within acceptable limits got me a good beating and an ear full of "dummy".

I think there would be plenty of people willing to pay gobs of money for a license that would allow them to drive very fast "where allowed" all over the country. They would also pay gobs of money to have there car inspected each year for the privilage of driving fast. The cars that have been authorized to go fast would need some sort of RFID reader, or special license plate for identification. With that in mind, I would never allow anyone to drive my car that had this authorization bestowed upon it. I've driven out west with plenty of foot to the floor, my biggest concern being my tires holding up. It's good to see the limits being raised, but hopefully the people or vehicles that cannot maintain these higher speeds safely will stay to the right.
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Old 09-04-2011, 08:30 AM   #8
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What does this have to do with Montana? 85 is nothing compared to what it used to be there.
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Id be happy if going 16+ yielded a 200$+ ticket. In SC anything over 10+ past the sign yields a reckless driving which is a $445 ticket and a mandatory court appearance...
Holy Crap. 10 +??
"superspeeding" here (Ontario and Qc) means doing ~90-100mph on freeways.
a 7 day licence suspension is automatic, along with a ~1000$ + and potential car impounding for a few days.But 10+ over sign being reckless?
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:27 AM   #10
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And at the other end of the spectrum, Georgia recently passed a "super speeder" law where people going 16+ over the speed limit are hit with a $200+ fine and all the speed limits on the interstate were quietly dropped to 55.

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Id be happy if going 16+ yielded a 200$+ ticket. In SC anything over 10+ past the sign yields a reckless driving which is a $445 ticket and a mandatory court appearance...
I grew up in SC, went to school/worked in GA and I'm glad these weren't in force back then. Ridiculous that two states with so much rural can't have reasonable speed limits to cover all that ground but I guess that's what you do when you have no other ways to generate revenue.
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Old 09-04-2011, 12:00 PM   #11
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And at the other end of the spectrum, Georgia recently passed a "super speeder" law where people going 16+ over the speed limit are hit with a $200+ fine and all the speed limits on the interstate were quietly dropped to 55.

If people didn't barrel down 85 or 75 and in the downtown connector at 80+, this law wouldn't have to exist. I have never seen such disregard for the posted speed limit in any place I've lived as I did there.
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I might have to consider supporting Perry in 2012 if this is the case
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The national highway safety data says the safest speed is 85% of the mean flow of traffic speed in good weather averaged over a certain period of time (can't remember what that time period was). Above that or below and traffic accidents increase.

Seems pretty easy to do the study on the major interstates and post the speed at the nearest 5mph mark.

Most of these low speeds are just to generate revenue. Somes states are better than others. Now that I am in Ohio, I have never seen such rediculously low speeds and nonsensical ones. For example, the major road near our house goes from 55mph to 25 (exactly as it passes into a new section of the county) despite the fact it is a buisness district and four lanes. The road that crosses it is a two lane road, goes into a resdential area and right next to an elementary school where the speed is posted 35 mph.

Compare to Tennessee where I am from originally and I cannot off hand think of a single non-active school zone section of road that is 25 mph. The lowest is 35 mph in residential roads. The roads like the ones posted at 25 mph in buisness areas are 35-45mph. And it is not like you hear of children being mowed down every day so it is not about safety.
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If people didn't barrel down 85 or 75 and in the downtown connector at 80+, this law wouldn't have to exist. I have never seen such disregard for the posted speed limit in any place I've lived as I did there.
The law was a fascinating social experiment.
Here's what happened (a lot of us said this would happen) -
Enforcement on highways hasn't been ramped up at all. I've lived here eleven years and I see one person pulled over every year, tops. However, everyone in the state who ever got a speeding ticket MAGICALLY started going exactly 16 over. Again, this is anecdotal, but, everyone I know who has gotten a ticket since this law was passed has gotten it for 16 over. In my own personal experience, I haven't been going 16 over either time I got a ticket.
So they didn't fix the root of the problem, AND they made lotsa money!

Brilliant legislating if you think about it.
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And at the other end of the spectrum, Georgia recently passed a "super speeder" law where people going 16+ over the speed limit are hit with a $200+ fine and all the speed limits on the interstate were quietly dropped to 55.

Try going 55 on 285. I dare ya . Heck, I was going 75 and had a cop behind me, so I swung over. He passed me like I was standing still. Most cops in the ATL metro used to watch swerving moreso than speeding. Guess that's not cutting it in today's economy.

Also, the 85 speed limit is out in the middle of nowhere. Basically on places like I-10 where there are no city's or towns for 50 miles at a time. It's not like they're slapping 85 signs in a busy metro like Houston or DFW.



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Try going 55 on 285. I dare ya . Heck, I was going 75 and had a cop behind me, so I swung over. He passed me like I was standing still. Most cops in the ATL metro used to watch swerving moreso than speeding. Guess that's not cutting it in today's economy.
Yep... I always drive with the flow of traffic, usually on the low end, in the far right lane... and that puts me at around 70mph.
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I miss Texas...On a side note the cruise control on an '03 WRX quits working at 97mph.
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TX have nothing but land 100 mph won't be an issue
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I have driven the 80mph zones which will most likely become 85mph. I got pulled doing 98mph in one of the 80mph zones near Pecos, TX. The cop wrote me a ticket for 89mph. It's very easy to go that fast... there's lots of visibility, little traffic and a gently undulating landscape that leads to your speed creeping up if cruise control isn't in use.

85mph speed limit is plenty safe in the areas they are talking about here.
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Todays vehicles can react better than the 80's but the drivers are the ones that cannot.
I totally agree. I would love a no speed limited US autobanh, but the US driver are not trained well enough and have bad habits that would make that idea impossible.

I could see some toll booth before entering a no speed limit zone where certain driving rules are handed out and reenforced.

In most European countries, getting a driver's license involves thousand's of Euros and a couple of years worth of lessons.

I remember when my cousin from France started his driver ed (almost 30 yrs ago), it was so expensive and took so long that he came to the US, got his US driver's license and then headed back to France to convert it into a French (or international) driver's license.
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Anyone remember the 55 highways speed limit? Man it was tough to hold that one and pretty much no one did. Cops had a field day giving out tickets.
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speed limit raised to 85, but won't that decrease your mpg big time.
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:10 PM   #23
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I have driven the 80mph zones which will most likely become 85mph. I got pulled doing 98mph in one of the 80mph zones near Pecos, TX. The cop wrote me a ticket for 89mph. It's very easy to go that fast... there's lots of visibility, little traffic and a gently undulating landscape that leads to your speed creeping up if cruise control isn't in use.

85mph speed limit is plenty safe in the areas they are talking about here.
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I-15 in UT consists of 400+ miles of

80mph seems like a walking pace when surrounded by unchanging nothingness.
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:27 PM   #24
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I'm a proponent for raising speed limits, reasonably anyway. 85 seems a little steep, but then again, if you've got a million miles of open road....
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80mph seems like a walking pace when surrounded by unchanging nothingness.
Yes I have driven those roads you are talking about in UT as well. It's even more desolate than West Texas in terms of human habitation.
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