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Old 09-08-2011, 11:42 AM   #1
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Default don't be afraid..1.5-1.6 liter turbo cars

I cringed when I first thought of subaru, ford, Mini and everyone else moving towards 1.5-1.6 liter motors.. but I am old and remember the days of turbo f1 cars.. here's a good (longish) article describing a f1 motor from 87... http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...-6-engine.aspx

I know it's F1 and they have crazy budgets etc.. and the motor was probably rebuilt every few hundred miles...but if they were making 1200 bhp on a 1.5 liter motor in 87.. I am sure given a year or two someone will be making 4-500whp on one of these in our cars..... if it happens that is..
personally I vote for subaru to go to 1.6 as that might mean they want to get back into WRC..

Besides- F1 is going back to 1.6 turbo motors in 2014.... 70psi here we come!
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:03 PM   #2
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:08 PM   #3
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:09 PM   #4
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isn't it a rumor that subaru is going 1.6?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ight=1+6+turbo
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:33 PM   #5
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can someone remind me whats F1's emission standards again?
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:00 PM   #6
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isn't it a rumor that subaru is going 1.6?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ight=1+6+turbo
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1796078

Specifically the 5th bullet point. You only start a thread in N&R if you're posting an article. This forum is not for creating threads regarding your personal opinion.. you need an article or press release.

This thread would be more appropriate in Motorsports or General.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:03 PM   #7
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I din't know those 1,200HP 1.6L F1 engines ran on CA 91 octane. Wow!
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:03 PM   #8
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can someone remind me whats F1's emission standards again?
Well, if it's true that they're going to 70psi 1.6L in 2014, I'd say they're aiming for copious amounts of NOx and the standard amount of CO2.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:07 PM   #9
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I had a Mazda 323GT and its 1.6 turbo was just fine with me. I'd love to see a Mazda 2 GT/GTX to resurrect it.
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:13 PM   #10
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Anyone concerned about the performance of a turbo 1.6L should skip down to their local MINI dealer for a Cooper S test drive.
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:51 PM   #11
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I had a Mazda 323GT and its 1.6 turbo was just fine with me. I'd love to see a Mazda 2 GT/GTX to resurrect it.
I owned one as well and IMO it was possibly Mazda's best engine ever. Great midrange power and very reliable which you can't say about a lot of their engines over the years. However IMO once you drop below 2.0L displacement is a real bottleneck in making substantial power.
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Old 09-08-2011, 04:43 PM   #12
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can someone remind me whats F1's emission standards again?
So long as it doesn't emit the conrods before the finish.
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I know it's F1 and they have crazy budgets etc.. and the motor was probably rebuilt every few hundred miles...but if they were making 1200 bhp on a 1.5 liter motor in 87..
I don't know the rules as they were in '87, but they were certainly more lax regarding costs back then, and I bet they only ran a single engine for one race, so the reliability of the engine only needed to last a few hundred miles (average length of a race is 300km?).

I watched a special on the turbo engines they used in the day, and it's quite amazing that when they tossed them on the dyno that they damn near broke the dyno, and were literally off the charts.

road going motors will never see those levels, not when the engines in standard road going cars need to be reliable for 1000 times as many miles.
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Old 09-10-2011, 11:49 AM   #15
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sorry move the thread if you want to. just thought it was cooland I thought 1.6 turbo motor was in subarus future. anyway I mean the guys are freaking making f1 motors starting from WOOD by hand!!! then making a mold then making a motor that runs 70psi at 12,000 rpm... where has craftsmanship gone.. those guys are badass... and that mazda speed 2 car is rad btw...those videos are 2 hours well spent..
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I'm completely OK with a 1.6L.... assuming it isn't trying to drag around 3200lbs.
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Old 09-10-2011, 01:38 PM   #17
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I, for one, welcome our new tiny, turbocharged overlords.
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1.4-1.6 motors... really... you guys do know the mini s is slow as crap right? I for one don't see a future where care get all that much lighter....
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Old 09-10-2011, 11:41 PM   #20
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I for one don't see a future where care get all that much lighter....

I for one already care quite lightly. I can only imagine what weight my care can be in the future.


The market is changing. Efficiency is the new compact market. Handling could become the new quarter mile.
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Old 09-11-2011, 04:55 PM   #21
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The market is changing. Efficiency is the new compact market. Handling could become the new quarter mile.
Mmm sounds nice lateral g's are much more fun anyway.
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I din't know those 1,200HP 1.6L F1 engines ran on CA 91 octane. Wow!
these f1 motors ran 84% toluene and 16% n-heptane as fuel.....it was just about as detonation proof as you could design a fuel and it was a nightmare to handle

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sorry move the thread if you want to. just thought it was cooland I thought 1.6 turbo motor was in subarus future. anyway I mean the guys are freaking making f1 motors starting from WOOD by hand!!! then making a mold then making a motor that runs 70psi at 12,000 rpm... where has craftsmanship gone.. those guys are badass... and that mazda speed 2 car is rad btw...those videos are 2 hours well spent..
d0000000000000000d...you need to wake up from that kiddie boi wet dream and take a DEEP breath of REALITY

before you get too much older.....
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:48 PM   #23
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1.4-1.6 motors... really... you guys do know the mini s is slow as crap right? I for one don't see a future where care get all that much lighter....
Wrong. Crap is much slower.

Seriously though, the newest mini S's are quick.
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I look forward to the triumphant return of the B16a.


Seriously though, as long as the new movement to smaller engines continues to go hand in hand with cars below 3000lbs or even 2500lbs (like the Veloster, MX5, Juke, and FR-S), then I'll be a happy camper.
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Old 09-12-2011, 02:25 PM   #25
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1.4-1.6 motors... really... you guys do know the mini s is slow as crap right? I for one don't see a future where care get all that much lighter....
It's not that slow. It's not fast either, but it's still a blast to drive. Much better than, let say, the 2.4 liter Civic Si.
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