Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Friday July 11, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-09-2011, 05:16 PM   #1
AVANTI R5
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 73805
Join Date: Nov 2004
Default 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 Makes 580 Horsepower

Quote:
MILFORD, MICHIGAN – Chevrolet is staging one of those long, bit-by-bit rollouts of its new King of the Hill Camaro ZL1, and the latest tidbits are power and torque ratings. The 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 will make 580 horsepower at 6000 rpm and 556 lb-ft of torque at 4200 rpm. That trumps Ford’s Shelby GT500, rated 550 horsepower and 510 foot-pound of torque.

Other Mustangs enjoy serious weight advantages over their Camaro counterparts, though 30 horses and 46 foot-pound could make the ZL1’s likely extra weight easy to overcome. Chevy hasn’t released weight figures yet. First drives are planned for late this year. The ZL1 goes on sale in early 2012 as a ’12 model.

The new musclecar also will benefit from Chevrolet’s newfound interest in chassis refinement, its desire to make the car turn fast as well as go straight fast. GM’s latest version of Magnetic Ride Control, with 1,000 damping adjustments every second, also found in the Corvette ZR1 and Cadillac CTS-v, is standard. It features twin wire/dual coil dampers at each corner. Performance Traction Management (PTM) -- designed for both the race course and the drag strip -- also comes standard.
PTM HAS FIVE SETTINGS:

Mode 1 – Traction control for wet conditions, with stability control on and Magnetic Ride Control set on Tour.

Mode 2 – Traction control on Sport 1, with stability control on, Magnetic Ride Control on Tour.

Mode 3 – Traction Control on Sport 1, stability control on, Magnetic Ride Control on Sport.

Mode 4 – Traction Control on Sport 2, stability control off, Magnetic Control on Sport.

Mode 5 – Traction control on Race, stability control off, Magnetic Ride Control on Track. Launch control for drag strips (six-speed manual, only).

Chevrolet isn’t talking pricing yet, either, though it’s likely to be competitive with the Shelby GT500, while coming standard with track-ready components that are optional in the Ford, or available through its racing catalogue. The ZL1 will come with an engine oil cooler off the C6 ZR1, a rear differential cooler and a high-performance fuel system. Chevy says about one third of the ZL1’s components are upgraded from the Camaro SS, or are exclusive.

The engine is not. It’s a specially tuned version of the 6.2-liter supercharged LSA small block V-8 also used in the CTS-v. Here, the extra 24 horses come from its unique induction system with a lower-restriction air filter, dual inlet paths and improved supercharger housing airflow. The supercharger intercooler is of a higher efficiency. Transmission options are a six-speed automatic with manumatic control and a Tremec six-speed manual. The ZL1 also becomes the first Camaro to get electric power assisted steering.

Don’t panic. Chevy says the EPAS is a belt-driven system from TRW that will have the feel, feedback and precision you’d expect from such a car. Eliminating this particular parasitic loss can help save power as well as efficiency.

The ZL1 isn’t ready for EPA fuel economy testing yet, and Chevy won’t commit to whether or not its new musclecar will escape the gas-guzzler tax. There’s still more to learn about the ZL1 (and you can be sure we'll be bringing it all to you), but what we do know for sure is even in the new decade, the Chevy vs. Ford rivalry won't be relegated to Volt vs. C-Max Energi. With the Camaro ZL1 nearly ready to take on the Shelby GT500, the horsepower race is still on.









* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
AVANTI R5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2011, 05:27 PM   #2
ChiWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 140955
Join Date: Feb 2007
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Mikado
Vehicle:
Just trying to be
productive here.

Default

If only the car's aesthetics inside and out were 100% different...
ChiWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2011, 06:30 PM   #3
aschen
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 30733
Join Date: Dec 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Houston texas
Vehicle:
2007 tiny car
striped

Default

splits the difference approximately between ctsv and ZR1, not too suprising. I wonder what it will weigh
aschen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 12:34 AM   #4
thestig2284
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 200517
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan
Vehicle:
09 Subaru WRX
WRB

Default

I read at inside line it is so suppose to weigh around 4200 pounds. Which is ridiculous.
thestig2284 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 08:01 AM   #5
arghx7
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 232940
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: cold
Default

dash will still be a piece of ****
arghx7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 08:47 AM   #6
Hites
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 138997
Join Date: Jan 2007
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Belle Center, OH
Vehicle:
0000 Nothing

Default

Is it bad that I'd still rather have the lighter Ford?
Hites is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 10:32 AM   #7
ninja_please80
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 242043
Join Date: Mar 2010
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Georgia
Vehicle:
2005 STI
Ass White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hites View Post
Is it bad that I'd still rather have the lighter Ford?
Not at all. In fact i would take the 5.0 GT over this.
ninja_please80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 12:57 PM   #8
quentinberg007
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 7887
Join Date: Jun 2001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thestig2284 View Post
I read at inside line it is so suppose to weigh around 4200 pounds. Which is ridiculous.
Jesus christ.
quentinberg007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 03:09 PM   #9
arghx7
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 232940
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: cold
Default

I remember when people used to hate on 3000GT's because they were 3700-3800 pounds with AWD and twin turbos
arghx7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 04:25 PM   #10
ChiWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 140955
Join Date: Feb 2007
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Mikado
Vehicle:
Just trying to be
productive here.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thestig2284 View Post
I read at inside line it is so suppose to weigh around 4200 pounds. Which is ridiculous.
What a joke... Chevy's gotta appeal to the lowest common denominator, meaning Billy Bob down in Appalachia has to want this Camaro sitting next to his Silverado 2500-D.

I stay away from cars tailored to inbreds.
ChiWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 06:37 PM   #11
MikeNH
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 244821
Join Date: Apr 2010
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Michigan
Vehicle:
2011 Chevy Silverado

Default

This thread makes me laugh. 4200 pounds is insane but the damn car has near 600 HP. Even with all that weight I bet it could out handle most cars you guys talk up.
MikeNH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 06:45 PM   #12
quentinberg007
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 7887
Join Date: Jun 2001
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeNH View Post
This thread makes me laugh. 4200 pounds is insane but the damn car has near 600 HP. Even with all that weight I bet it could out handle most cars you guys talk up.
I'm sure it will still be stupid fast and put up some ridiculous numbers. But, FFS, 4200lbs? It just seems terribly devoid of elegance. Why no weight savings like the Z06?
quentinberg007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 06:51 PM   #13
Integra96
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 64196
Join Date: Jun 2004
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Vehicle:
2010 Family Sedan

Default

It will probably be fun to drive in its own special way, but it's an American derp machine. I'll take a Cayman, kthx.
Integra96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 06:53 PM   #14
Entaille
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 217875
Join Date: Jul 2009
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Everett
Vehicle:
2008 STi
DGM

Default

isn't the camaro ss around 3800, 3900 lbs? where is the extra 300 lbs coming from? is the engine THAT much heavier?
Entaille is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 07:21 PM   #15
Entaille
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 217875
Join Date: Jul 2009
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Everett
Vehicle:
2008 STi
DGM

Default

ps - not saying 3800-3900 lbs is acceptable either. american cars are doomed to be heavyweights though. the challenger is a pig and it still scoots around decently. the GTR is pretty bloated too.
Entaille is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 07:37 PM   #16
NateLS1
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 132380
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Cape Cod, MA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX
rojo

Default

It is a much better car than the redneck Camaros from before. Yes it is heavy, but it still handles well and the next gen Camaro is going to be on a lighter platform, so until then more power will have to do.

A lot of people don't look past the name. Hypothetically speaking, if Chevrolet had built the Nissan GTR, and it was called the Chevrolet Camaro, a lot of people would still hate it.

JFYI, I'm not a GM nutswinger, I like the new Mustang more than the new Camaro. I really like the Challenger too, more as a cruising car however. I own a Legacy, WRX, and a Jeep Cherokee.

Its unfortunate that people can't have intelligent conversations on this forum. I always get the vibe that if it isn't about Subaru, it must be the suck

BTW - this is in the NON - Subaru news and rumors area.

Flame Suit On.
NateLS1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 08:15 PM   #17
Derbagger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 32113
Join Date: Jan 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Trollhatten, Japan
Vehicle:
05 Saabaru
Satin Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Entaille View Post
isn't the camaro ss around 3800, 3900 lbs? where is the extra 300 lbs coming from? is the engine THAT much heavier?
Add a big supercharger, plus intercooler with liquid cooling, and the beefed up cast iron rear diff (really necessary, the first CTS-V was blowing up the aluminum ones like they were made of plastic) and you have close to 300 lbs. Maybe heavier wheels and brakes?
Derbagger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 08:16 PM   #18
Derbagger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 32113
Join Date: Jan 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Trollhatten, Japan
Vehicle:
05 Saabaru
Satin Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by arghx7 View Post
I remember when people used to hate on 3000GT's because they were 3700-3800 pounds with AWD and twin turbos
True, but cars had much less stuff in them and the 3000GT was based on the Diamante, not the best starting point for a lithe chassis.
Derbagger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 08:42 PM   #19
nhat
#Belieber
Moderator
 
Member#: 140163
Join Date: Feb 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: 3MI Racing
Vehicle:
03 STi
hellaflunctional

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeNH View Post
This thread makes me laugh. 4200 pounds is insane but the damn car has near 600 HP. Even with all that weight I bet it could out handle most cars you guys talk up.
600hp isn't all that impressive these days, especially from a v8. 4200 pounds is excessive...
nhat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 08:44 PM   #20
MikeNH
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 244821
Join Date: Apr 2010
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Michigan
Vehicle:
2011 Chevy Silverado

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by quentinberg007 View Post
I'm sure it will still be stupid fast and put up some ridiculous numbers. But, FFS, 4200lbs? It just seems terribly devoid of elegance. Why no weight savings like the Z06?
I can only take guesses obviously but most of the weight savings things that don't come at the cost of losing content cost money and I'm sure GM wants/needs this to be at a similar price as the GT500. The interior is rather bland but at least it is well put together (for it's class). I've driven base models of all 3 and the Challenger has interior plastics that have edges that are pretty damn sharp, not to mention how awful the inside looks and that for the car being bigger than the Ford or Chevy, the back seat is still damn near useless. I'm rather embarrassed to admit how cool I thought the radio display was in the Chevy though- when you use the buttons to change radio stations the display changes to an old school radio dial.
MikeNH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2011, 08:47 PM   #21
MikeNH
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 244821
Join Date: Apr 2010
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Michigan
Vehicle:
2011 Chevy Silverado

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nhat View Post
600hp isn't all that impressive these days, especially from a v8. 4200 pounds is excessive...

I never said 4200 pounds wasn't excessive. And you're a goddamn fool if you think 600 HP is "unimpressive". Seriously, how many cars have that sort of power and cost under $50k? Hell, the number of cars with that power that have six-digit prices is rather slim.
MikeNH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2011, 12:29 AM   #22
4wdwrx
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 72042
Join Date: Oct 2004
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Sunshine
Vehicle:
2002 WRX impreza
WRB "Blue Mammoth"

Default

weight doesn't really matter as long as it's proportionate in its design.

Kind of like a overweight guy vs a tall athlete. Both carry a lot of weight.
4wdwrx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2011, 01:57 AM   #23
02redwagone
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 87067
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Oregon Coast/AK
Vehicle:
02 Old but tasty
SRP

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4wdwrx View Post
weight doesn't really matter as long as it's proportionate in its design.

Kind of like a overweight guy vs a tall athlete. Both carry a lot of weight.

If the NBA is any measure the overweight guy is still probably generally heavier. (Shaq is probably still under 350-Garnett is the low side of 230)



I wonder if the side curtains will deploy if you try to drift it. Not that middle lifers are into 4500 pounds of gold chain, beer tank and jowls leaning laterally.

Last edited by 02redwagone; 09-11-2011 at 02:03 AM.
02redwagone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2011, 09:21 AM   #24
nhat
#Belieber
Moderator
 
Member#: 140163
Join Date: Feb 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: 3MI Racing
Vehicle:
03 STi
hellaflunctional

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeNH

I never said 4200 pounds wasn't excessive. And you're a goddamn fool if you think 600 HP is "unimpressive". Seriously, how many cars have that sort of power and cost under $50k? Hell, the number of cars with that power that have six-digit prices is rather slim.
i might be a fool but 600hp from a blown v8 still isn't impressive or appealing. it doesn't make the car any more attractive to me because it's just a bandaid for its fat ass.

you think the ZL1 will be under $50k? the shelby mustang gts has 475hp from a blown v6 and is $51k.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4wdwrx
weight doesn't really matter as long as it's proportionate in its design.
what? how does weight not matter in a sports car? the only car to defeat its weight is the GTR and the ZL1 doesn't have nearly the same brains.

Last edited by nhat; 09-11-2011 at 10:21 AM.
nhat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2011, 10:36 AM   #25
Spin1200
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 250286
Join Date: Jun 2010
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Putnam/Westchester
Vehicle:
09GR phatbottiPowrd
T.S.P.'s test mule

Default

its still a camaro
Spin1200 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, alternate title: BacDoc's next purchase teh POD Off-Topic 202 03-12-2013 02:03 PM
2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 to Have Camaro ZL1–Slapping 600-Plus Horsepower AVANTI R5 Non-Subaru News & Rumors 148 05-21-2012 10:55 AM
Video: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 AVANTI R5 Non-Subaru News & Rumors 9 03-29-2011 09:39 PM
2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 teh POD Non-Subaru News & Rumors 33 02-11-2011 04:02 PM
2012 Camaro ZL1...me likey parat75 Off-Topic 11 02-10-2011 08:37 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.