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Old 10-29-2011, 10:42 AM   #76
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I myself have seen a full Cosworth Longblock blow after 100 miles. Cause: Cracked sleeve.... The car was still being broken in.... Also, I have replaced Cosworth cams thats snapped in a subie. The blockl was stock and so were the heads. Valve adjustment and all was done during install and they snapped on a Auto X course....



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Old 10-29-2011, 06:35 PM   #77
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I myself have seen a full Cosworth Longblock blow after 100 miles. Cause: Cracked sleeve.... The car was still being broken in.... Also, I have replaced Cosworth cams thats snapped in a subie. The blockl was stock and so were the heads. Valve adjustment and all was done during install and they snapped on a Auto X course....



Exactly!

Maybe that is why even though he posted what he did, he Sold/Selling his Cosworth long block

****s over priced, under quality.. Plenty of people to prove that.
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Old 10-29-2011, 06:36 PM   #78
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i should really invest in a mudpit, I bet I can make mad $$$ on JR!

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Old 10-29-2011, 06:41 PM   #79
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This post caught my eye, when I was checking out this sleeper drag car that you tuned but ya know what I couldn't just let this go. Ya know the funny thing about public forums is that anyone can see what you write! I know you are doing some pretty good tuning and P&L makes some pretty good stuff, I don' t dispute either and not looking to do so but you can't just spew out what you want in the real world! Where on earth did you come up with this statement about Cosworth Big Valve heads? I mean come on dude, do you think they just started working on heads and cams in the last few years? They do this **** in their own factories in the UK! You should be embarrassed to make such a statement, either that or you need to pull your cranium out of your rectum so you can see more clearly! You sure don't need to make such bogus statements to further P&L's work and products, their stuff can stand on its own. Please be careful what you write, it may come back to bit you in your gluteous maximus!
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Maybe you should have some first hand experiences with them before you go and post something like this as well.

For starters, I am one of the few idiots that had a full cosi long block.. The really expensive one. It lasted me about 300 miles before I had to open it up and inspect it. It sounded like **** from day one. 2 cylinders on the same side, larger PTW then the other... Funny from this great company that something like that could happen. .. Right? I was told to ship the motor in for "inspection" ..

Onto the cylinder heads.. You ever heard of this little company called HeadGames? The fastest imports in the WORLD run his heads. He took my Cosi heads and showed me how much they sucked, showed me how crappy the valve job was, and then showed me how it is just essentially a stock head with the complete port opened up. Naturally it will flow better then stock. Do a search on how many small time guys build better flowing heads then the cosworths... Pretty much the only good thing in those heads are the Ferrea valve-train components. Even the CAMS SUCK, search on here how many have broken, go on EVOM and look at how many people have bent valves to Cosworths POS cams that broke.

Cosworth USA is what we get, not the same Cosworth UK.. so maybe you should get your data straight before you spew out bogus statements. Just because it says Cosworth doesn't mean its the awesome stuff that they started with in the UK yrs ago. The stuff we get here sucks.. Plain and simple, you don't have to believe me.. You can go spend your own money and find out for yourself. IMO cosworth parts are not worth it, the pistons will crack when you really start leaning on them because of the material. The crack is a over priced Arrow crank, the rods are carrillo's that they charge 400 more for.. ACL-Cosworth bearings.. H11 tool steel studs- ARP L-19.. All over priced, why? Because some one like you will see COSWORTH think its the best because of the name and spend 100000s on it.

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Old 10-29-2011, 08:04 PM   #80
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^^^ Now thats funny!
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:01 AM   #81
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Hey JR,

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You should be embarrassed to make such a statement, either that or you need to pull your cranium out of your rectum so you can see more clearly!
I was out of line saying that, so I just want to acknowledge this! I have been having a tough week and I have been super cranky, some people are trying to screw me out of some dough, they won't succeed but that's no excuse for me to go off on you.

While I am not here to defend Cosworth, the point I was so irritatingly trying to make was they they don't willy nilly hog out heads on a PnP job. They have a CNC program that removes most of it and then they hand finish them. They make their own cranks, pistons, cams and rods in their UK factory. I'm sure you're right on the bearings, valves and bolts, nobody makes all their own stuff in the auto world, it's hard to do everything and be the best at it, so you contract out stuff and package it up to sell.

Stuff breaks that's a given, everyone's stuff breaks sooner or later. Who makes the best motor and heads? Who knows? There are a lot of good engine builders especially in the Subie world and you are hooked up with some of the best! Definitely not disputing that!

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Old 10-30-2011, 10:04 AM   #82
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Oh yeah, I did sell my Cosi long block and it's in Australia. Hamr is putting it in a 2400 lb. GC8 with a TS GT35R. It should be a screamer!

Damn, I still haven't gotten all the mud out of my ears
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Old 10-30-2011, 02:15 PM   #83
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Hey JR,

I want to apologize for this:


I was out of line saying that, so I just want to acknowledge this! I have been having a tough week and I have been super cranky, some people are trying to screw me out of some dough, they won't succeed but that's no excuse for me to go off on you.

While I am not here to defend Cosworth, the point I was so irritatingly trying to make was they they don't willy nilly hog out heads on a PnP job. They have a CNC program that removes most of it and then they hand finish them. They make their own cranks, pistons, cams and rods in their UK factory. I'm sure you're right on the bearings, valves and bolts, nobody makes all their own stuff in the auto world, it's hard to do everything and be the best at it, so you contract out stuff and package it up to sell.

Stuff breaks that's a given, everyone's stuff breaks sooner or later. Who makes the best motor and heads? Who knows? There are a lot of good engine builders especially in the Subie world and you are hooked up with some of the best! Definitely not disputing that!

Peace!

Oh, I don't want to sit in the corner any longer, I got **** to do
No worries. I just hate when people really think Cosworth is some sort of amazing engine builder here state side.

Arrow makes the Cosworth Crank

Carrillo makes the Cosworth Rods

I'm sure they do make there own cams, cause they break

The heads are good for a bolt on... but far from good for a serious racer. They have rough castings areas were the CNC cant make the radius, the valve job is generic and the over all port design is like stock.. just opened up. I am not saying they are backyard heads, but they are not really that great... Ok at best.

Sorry for your troubles and I hope it all works out for you.

Justr curious, were you putting that race motor in your XT?
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Old 10-30-2011, 03:41 PM   #84
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I was planning to with a TS EFR 7670 but pulled the plug on the whole plan after the delays with the EFR's. I re-evaluated my goals. I'm not a drag racer or road race guy. I just want a tough road car which us what I have built with my full STI conversion. I am getting some quotes on the short block and head build. I would love to pick your brain on this. Maybe we could communicate outside of this thread. Should I PM you?
Thanks man!
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Old 10-30-2011, 04:55 PM   #85
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Here's my car as is, cell phone photo. Sorry, I don't mean to thread jack here
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Old 11-01-2011, 08:09 AM   #86
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Actual good discussion is nice everyone once in a while around here!!!
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I was planning to with a TS EFR 7670 but pulled the plug on the whole plan after the delays with the EFR's. I re-evaluated my goals. I'm not a drag racer or road race guy. I just want a tough road car which us what I have built with my full STI conversion. I am getting some quotes on the short block and head build. I would love to pick your brain on this. Maybe we could communicate outside of this thread. Should I PM you?
Thanks man!
I hear ya.. Sometimes I kick myself for over building things. I love my XTi as it sits, but I have a money to get off my shoulder so to speak..
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Very nice. I love how clean and stealth it looks.

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Old 11-01-2011, 12:03 PM   #88
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Actual good discussion is nice everyone once in a while around here!!!
Yeah, even if I was a butt head. Sometimes it's like

I don't know maybe it's just the age thing, getting crankier as the years tick on
True story, I can get carried away and I got a bunch of time and money into the Foz but I do love the car. Will do on future XTi/ FSTI posts and contact info.

Thanks man! That means a lot!
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Old 11-01-2011, 11:52 PM   #89
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hahaha. I hear you on the age/cranky thing. Older I get the less I want to reason, more I want to argue!
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:48 PM   #90
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LOL, my buddy JC sent me the sticker, if you want I'll see if he can get another one and send it to you. Sounds like it may apply PM me your addy.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:59 PM   #91
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Its no problem man, Im 31 and been infantry in the army for 12 years... Im really cranky.... all the time.... even when im happy...


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I don't know maybe it's just the age thing, getting crankier as the years tick on


True story, I can get carried away and I got a bunch of time and money into the Foz but I do love the car. Will do on future XTi/ FSTI posts and contact info.

Thanks man! That means a lot!
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:30 PM   #92
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Any update on this car?
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Funny that you ask! We have the car at the shop and are currently doing a P&L built 6mt dragbox. The short 05 STI gears were just not cutting it for what the customer wanted to accomplish. Should have no problem going 9.6xx this year.

Hoping to have the customer back on the track early June.

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Sweet! Still on the 6265?
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Funny that you ask! We have the car at the shop and are currently doing a P&L built 6mt dragbox. The short 05 STI gears were just not cutting it for what the customer wanted to accomplish. Should have no problem going 9.6xx this year.

Hoping to have the customer back on the track early June.

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Did I miss the weight of the car?
Hot damn 10.1 on short gears? Ridiculous. I bet Junior were rowing the eff out of that boat. Hahaha

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good details about the cosworth stuff, I wish I had a name to slap a sick price tag on average stuff

someone needs to do there own cnc heads that have a totally new design,

It be nice for one of us to dump an old evo motor in with an adapter plate to the sti trans, would be sitting sideways but make a nice combo of parts, no? built on both of those of course, but even without would be a unique bad-ass car

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Old 05-19-2012, 10:34 AM   #97
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^^^that's nuts, nice find. I wonder what it weighs and if it's possibly awd (doubt it).

Gosh, it's hard to read about the reliability of a buschur built motor, even at 600-650+ whp.

ot: i've decided, after my next set of tests are done, I am going to do a huge write up and ask for other members to contribute. Making a thread about it now.
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i'd love to have an evo and an sti...

obviously sti...daily
evo... track whore.
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I thought it was common fact that cosworth **** is terrible?

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