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Old 09-12-2011, 09:17 AM   #1
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The recently-confirmed-for-North America Chevy Cruze Diesel may end up wearing the Eco-D nomenclature, according to GM Authority sources familiar with the project. The Eco designation implies that General Motors is positioning the diesel-powered Cruze as a highly fuel-efficient model rather than a high(er)-performance model, with sources telling us that 50 MPG or higher is the goal for engineers.

The turbo-diesel Cruze is expected to launch late in 2012 as a 2013 model year with a 2.0-liter common rail diesel. The Holden Cruze is currently the only Cruze available with a diesel powerplant. In that model, the engine makes 160 horsepower and a healthy 265 lb.-ft. of torque.
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Old 09-12-2011, 02:58 PM   #2
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I do hope they don't try to out do the VW diesels on weird whizz-bang electronics and complexity that drive the price up to TDi levels. The Cruze needs to smoke them on price, and fancy low resistance tires, radiator blockers and other trappings from the Cruze Eco along with branding could push the price up.
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Old 09-12-2011, 03:02 PM   #3
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hopefully its as bulletproof as the vw tdi's
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Old 09-12-2011, 04:01 PM   #4
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hopefully its as bulletproof as the vw tdi's
A.) hope there is some sarcasm there- having a difficult time picking up on it Don't even get me started on the $8,000 high pressure fuel pump issues with the VW TDI's, or $2,000 diesel particulate filters, et al.

B.) don't count on any less complexity. In order to meet both NOx and CO2 emission standards, there really is no choice other than intricate/exuberant EGR cycles combined with overly expensive diesel particulate filters and 125491205185 sensors in between. Want to see what is between my turbo and midpipe alone on my Golf TDI?



Or how about a list of standard sensors on my 2.0 CR TDI motor



I realize this is all required equipment to meet both emissions/power/noise/drivability standards and some of it is shared with gas counterparts, but I just don't see a great future for diesel vehicles in the U.S. given the current standards needed to sell them here- although I admittedly don't know much about GM's passenger car diesel systems. I really want to love/drive diesels (I am currently averaging 44mpg hand calculated over the past 18,000 miles in my TDI), but I don't think the incentive is there given that any fuel savings will likely be offset by increased maintenance/repair costs if one keeps the car outside of warranty (assuming most diesel owners will). Sadly, the bullet-proof VW diesels of yore are long gone..
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:05 PM   #5
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Yeah, except for the EGR-related sensors most of the other sensors are pretty common on gasoline-powered engines. HPFPs do fail in some of the gasoline DI engines out there.
I do agree that DPF and EGR equipment failures can be very costly.
However, it seems to me (need to check if DPF/EGR equipment is indeed covered) that some states like California are forcing manufacturers to warranty emission equipment all the way to 10 years / 100000 miles. Of course, I realize that this translates into higher up-front cost for customers.
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:36 PM   #6
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Yeah, except for the EGR-related sensors most of the other sensors are pretty common on gasoline-powered engines. HPFPs do fail in some of the gasoline DI engines out there.
I do agree that DPF and EGR equipment failures can be very costly.
However, it seems to me (need to check if DPF/EGR equipment is indeed covered) that some states like California are forcing manufacturers to warranty emission equipment all the way to 10 years / 100000 miles. Of course, I realize that this translates into higher up-front cost for customers.
And most of the HPFP failures in the CR TDI's (09-2011) cost roughly $8,000 to fix since it implodes and sends metal shards throughout the entire fuel system (this is a pump in the engine bay that can pressurize the common rail up to 26,000 PSI, not an in-tank pump, which we also have obviously). Luckily, most have been covered (99%) under warranty, but it doesn't inspire me to keep this car past 60,000 miles.

And I think you are correct- the DPF's seem to be covered under more stringent emmissions warranties. VW calls for them to be inspected at 125,000 miles and checked every 20,000 thereafter. I can only assume that DPF recycling/cleaning companies will pop up in the next few years just like they did for the "big rig" industry. On top of that, there is talk of requiring particulate filter devices in gasoline cars as well so we might all be getting used to it regardless of fuel choice.
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