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Old 09-12-2011, 08:01 PM   #51
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:02 PM   #53
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I throw one last comment in here before I go to sleep.

Pre-orders are now being accepted for Bulldozer, with the top 8 core chip being priced at $262. Expect a October release. It will only take a couple days for bench marking reviews to come it to decide which will have the better performance/$ ratio between Intel or AMD.

Motherboard: Wait for Bulldozer to decide, however, the motherboards are already out for Bulldozer chips.

For a power supply there is only one brand. Corsair. I personally like a modular PSU as it helps with keeping the inside of your case tidy and maintain good air flow.

GFX: You can not go wrong with either ATi or nVidia. If you have the money go for a GTX 570/80 or a ATi 69xx series cards. These are the best you can get but should last you for a good few years. The one advantage ATi has is that with one card you can run more than 2 monitors.

Get a full tower case. When I built my computer I made the mistake of getting a half tower. A full tower will allow for better air flow and future expansion for your computer (such as a second GFX). Also, routing the wires/cables will be much easier.

CPU cooler. There is none better than the Noctura NH-D14. It is the best air cooler you can buy. Some people might recommend the Corsair H50 or H70, which are self contained water coolers but testing has proved that the Noctura is better. It is also cheaper and very quiet. It is very big though, that is the reason I recommend a full tower.

If you have enough spare cash, get a SSD for your OS and a second 7200 rpm HDD for storage/music/etc. What I do is copy whatever game I play the most onto my SSD (if the game has a lot of loading areas). I find most games are fine on my standard HDD though. You can always set up a RAID 0 array later because HDD are fairly cheap.

Anyways, that is all I got.
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:20 PM   #55
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:21 PM   #56
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The only correlation I see is you get dumber when football season starts. Foaming at the mouth when Hiney Ward smiles at you must take over just a little too much cranial real estate, I guess.
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:22 PM   #57
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+1 to white rex's post except for the cooler. If you do not overclock anything then there is really no need for anything other than OEM cooler.
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:25 PM   #58
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+1 to white rex's post except for the cooler. If you do not overclock anything then there is really no need for anything other than OEM cooler.
I'm kind of a "go big or go home" type, so I'd probably end up with that honker of a cooler.
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:28 PM   #59
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Oooh, I'm in the market for a new build soon and may grap on some Bulldozer.
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I'm kind of a "go big or go home" type, so I'd probably end up with that honker of a cooler.
I have the Noctura. It is quiet unlike OEM coolers which are quite loud. When I was overclocking my 965 to 4.0 GHZ I never broke 53 C (which is pretty damn good) with Prime95.

A cool CPU is a happy CPU.
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:31 PM   #61
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Hyper 212+ for the best bang for your buck "big" cooler.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0315397
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:32 PM   #62
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OEM coolers are usually noisy (relatively). Even if you aren't planning on overclocking they're a good idea... besides, in a few years you'll have the option to overclock when the newest games are pushing the limits of your current clock speeds.
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:36 PM   #63
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I'm kind of a "go big or go home" type, so I'd probably end up with that honker of a cooler.
Nothing wrong with that then lol. It is a damn good cooler. Got my "old" phenom II 940 @ 3.8 with that cooler.
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Gonna be putting together a new build myself soon.

I have my eye on this case:

http://www.corsair.com/cases/obsidia...ries-650d.html

I believe a good case is a must - a premium case can easily last for several builds. I have an older Lian Li right now that's done its job for me for about 4 years now.

My current setup is a Q6600 CPU and 5850....I just got a second 5850 on Ebay for a good price, but my current build's PSU is probably not up for a Crossfire setup. I'll be keeping an eye on how those new AMD processers turn out. I haven't had an AMD setup in a while now...
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Old 09-12-2011, 09:33 PM   #65
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Gonna be putting together a new build myself soon.

I have my eye on this case:

http://www.corsair.com/cases/obsidia...ries-650d.html

I believe a good case is a must - a premium case can easily last for several builds. I have an older Lian Li right now that's done its job for me for about 4 years now.

My current setup is a Q6600 CPU and 5850....I just got a second 5850 on Ebay for a good price, but my current build's PSU is probably not up for a Crossfire setup. I'll be keeping an eye on how those new AMD processers turn out. I haven't had an AMD setup in a while now...

i have the Corsair 800D case and it is AMAZING!!! it is very big but the layout is fantastic and it is so easy to work on!!!
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I'm in the same boat as you. After a couple weeks of research, I just finished piecing together my new build:

Case: Antec 300 Illusion
Motherboard: ASRock P67 Extreme4 gen3
CPU: Intel core i5-2500K
CPU Cooler: Antec Kuhler H20 620
Memory: G.Skill F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM: DDR3-1600 C8, 2 x 4 GB
Video Card: Radeon HD 6950 2GB, XFX HD-695X-CDDC (2-fan model)
Power Supply: Corsair 850W Silver
System Drive: Crucial 128 GB m4 SATA 6Gb/s 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive
Storage Drive: 1.5TB Western Digital Caviar black
Optical: Samsung DVD Burner

Total cost around $1,200

I also picked up 3 Viewsonic 1920x1080 LED-backlit monitors on the cheap ($130 each) for an Eyefinity setup.


ONE TIP even if you decide not to copy my setup: I recommend going with the "K" series of processors because they are "unlocked" and easy to overclock, especially with an aftermarket CPU cooler. Also, save $100 by choosing the i5-2500K (as opposed to the i7-2600K), as the only difference is Hyperthreading technology which won't have much of an effect, if any, on gaming. That $100 is better spent towards your video card or something else.

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Old 09-12-2011, 11:05 PM   #67
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The only thing that frustrated me about my computer build was that I should have bought a solid state drive in the first place.

Then you don't have to re install windows and try to figure out where your code is like I did and end up buying a new windows 7.

Also, don't cheap out on the motherboard. You can always upgrade everything else, but your windows 7 copy can only be reused if you keep the same mother board, You can change everything else, i.e. gfx card, processor, etc..

$200+ is a lot of money to spend for windows.

i7-950.........................................$280 <~~I think I should have got a Sandy Bridge.
ASUS Rampage iii formula w/SLI.....$275
Corsair Force GT 120GB ssd............$200 <~~optional I bought as an upgrade later.
WD 7200rpm 500gb hd..................$50 <~~I'm sure you can find cheaper/better.
Rosewell extreme 850w PS.............$100 <~~I should have bought a Corsair/price.
NZXT case white...........................$110
EVGA GTX470 factory oc................$270 <~~I really wish I just bought the GTX 580
GSKILL ripjaw 8gb 2x4gb ddr3 16000....$55
Windows 7...................................$200


I also ended up buying a top notch Copper Heat sink for my processor for another $50.

It was a great experience and quite fun for me to build my computer as it was on my "bucket list."

All I can say is check newegg.com or Fry's electronics if you have a store near you, they price match each other now too.

I will never buy a full computer again, you save a lot building it yourself.
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Old 09-12-2011, 11:20 PM   #68
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The only thing that frustrated me about my computer build was that I should have bought a solid state drive in the first place.

Then you don't have to re install windows and try to figure out where your code is like I did and end up buying a new windows 7.

Also, don't cheap out on the motherboard. You can always upgrade everything else, but your windows 7 copy can only be reused if you keep the same mother board, You can change everything else, i.e. gfx card, processor, etc..

$200+ is a lot of money to spend for windows.

i7-950.........................................$280 <~~I think I should have got a Sandy Bridge.
ASUS Rampage iii formula w/SLI.....$275
Corsair Force GT 120GB ssd............$200 <~~optional I bought as an upgrade later.
WD 7200rpm 500gb hd..................$50 <~~I'm sure you can find cheaper/better.
Rosewell extreme 850w PS.............$100 <~~I should have bought a Corsair/price.
NZXT case white...........................$110
EVGA GTX470 factory oc................$270 <~~I really wish I just bought the GTX 580
GSKILL ripjaw 8gb 2x4gb ddr3 16000....$55
Windows 7...................................$200


I also ended up buying a top notch Copper Heat sink for my processor for another $50.

It was a great experience and quite fun for me to build my computer as it was on my "bucket list."

All I can say is check newegg.com or Fry's electronics if you have a store near you, they price match each other now too.

I will never buy a full computer again, you save a lot building it yourself.
You can get a OEM copy of 7 for $99

On the topic of cases, I plan on getting this for my next build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811163176

I don't see the need for a full ATX case anymore, personally.

Only downside is the requirement for a slot load optical drive...
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You can get a OEM copy of 7 for $99

On the topic of cases, I plan on getting this for my next build: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811163176

I don't see the need for a full ATX case anymore, personally.

Only downside is the requirement for a slot load optical drive...
Seems like a lot of money for that case, and looks like it would get hot.
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Why aren't you nuts slapping an SSD in his build?

I'd either go with an Intel 320 SSD if you want something that will be problem-free for many years to come. The 320 series uses Intel's proven controller, while the more-expensive Intel 510 incorporates a Marvell controller. Here is the 256 gig 320 if you're ok spending $525. If you start comparing transfer rates, you will see Intel doesn't win in that department, but what any sane IT guy would tell you is Intel whoops the competition in the "very small" file transfers, IE where 78% of Windows activity comes from. Read this - http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/b...cturers-bluff/

If you're willing to spend up to $1500, do not skimp on an SSD.

My other choice would be the Crucial M4. 256 gig for $425. Again, if your Steam folder isn't approaching 100gigs, maybe a 120 or 160gig would be enough for you. I don't trust OCZ as forums are littered with failed drives, and that's the last thing you want to be dealing with.

One other piece of advice - 120hz LCD monitor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...E&Pagesize=100. These monitors are marketed as "3D", but that does not mean they aren't excellent 2D monitors. 2D at 120hz = lots of win. If you're building a system such as you are, you will likely see frames above 60fps, which is where 120hz monitors will come in. If you remember how smooth CRT's used to be, it is due to their refresh rates. These are finally a step in that direction. If you want more advice or need to bounce some ideas, let me know.

Edit: forgot this tidbit. If Fry's Electronics is your only local store available to you, they have become extremely competitive with price matching for both online and other local stores (Micro Center). Everyone is selling the Intel i5 2500k (which would be my recommendation) for ~$220 (including Fry's), but Micro Center sells it for $180. Fry's will price match it.

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From personal experience I can tell you that this is certainly not the case. TOR, while not having super realistic graphics, is VERY taxing on your PC.

Though the types of setups being recommended for you should handle it pretty well (i.e. Sandy Bridge processor, GTX 570ish, 8GB RAM, etc) it is definitely a system hog. I plan on upgrading soon as well and am getting very similar stuff to what I've been seeing here.
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You can get a OEM copy of 7 for $99
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I don't see the need for a full ATX case anymore, personally.
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I got a 3 key windows 7 "upgrade" for $149 and there's a couple tricks where you don't have to upgrade and can use the keys for a legit, fresh and clean install. Also, unless you absolutely need the space in your desk or in the computer room, there's no reason not to get a full tower. The airflow, expandability and overall ease to work with makes me glad I went with a HAF X case. Just tinkering around in there is such a pleasure.


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Why aren't you nuts slapping an SSD in his build?

With the new Intel Z68 chipset on the motherboards, you can use a small SSD as a cache with a large mechanical HDD. The technology is called SRT and works surprisingly well (it's an old technology used in data storage servers).
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When i build PC's im more worried about slicing my finger open on teh god damn rediculously sharp edges that you have to pop out in cases than i am frying parts with static

They really care cake to build... just take your time and read the manuals.
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a. get the i5 2500k. As other people have said, hyperthreading doesn't help games or general system feel but spending $100 more on a GPU or a bigger SSD will.

b. I've got an oem cooler on i5 2500k overclocked to 4.4ghz and guess what? I still can't tell when it spins up. save the $60 for hookers/blow.

c. read reviews of the video card you're buying to find out how loud it is... those little squirrel cage blower setups on a high powered video cards are much much more annoying than any other type of computer fan. I went with a PNY GTX560Ti OC2 and its not loud at all.

d. you really, really don't need to spend $210 to get a good z68 board. you definitely want the z68 though.

e. spend your money on a huge ssd and a good psu!
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With the new Intel Z68 chipset on the motherboards, you can use a small SSD as a cache with a large mechanical HDD. The technology is called SRT and works surprisingly well (it's an old technology used in data storage servers).
Meh, it is no SSD and your initial load still comes from the hard drive, negating the biggest advantage by going SSD. I've read about it and would not recommend it. Although, I do love the drive Intel released built specifically for it - the 311 SLC 20gig. I actually made my company's phone server using that drive since 20 gigs was plenty for the server.
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