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Old 09-13-2011, 05:27 AM   #1
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Honda has begun work on a new sportscar in the mould of the iconic Honda NSX, president and CEO Takanobu Ito has sensationally revealed on the eve of the Frankfurt motor show.

However, the ‘new NSX’ will be radically different from its predecessor, with Ito stating that the goal will be to build a car that has a dramatic power-to-weight-ratio as opposed to outright power.

See pictures of the original Honda NSX
“I spent part of my early career at Honda developing the NSX, and specifically the aluminium body,” said Ito. “I really enjoyed that experience, and learned much, so it is my wish that Honda engineers have the experience of developing a sportscar like the NSX in future. Within Honda, our engineers are already looking at developing such a car.”
Ito declined to comment on when such a car could make production, but he stressed it would be a different vehicle to the original NSX, which weighed 1350kg and had 290bhp.

“You can’t depend on a high power output to call a car sporty anymore,” he said. “The original NSX was about high power but also good driving performance, and today power-to-weight is what we have to focus on. The NSX was known for its aluminium body, so when we develop our new sportscar we don’t want to copy Ferrari for power, but to also chase efficiency as well.”

A successor to the original NSX was originally planned to be launched in 2010, but was canned in December 2008 by then Honda CEO Takeo Fukui in reaction to the economic crisis and growing environmental concerns.
However, Ito is pushing for Honda to push its sporting credentials again, so long as they compliment its environmental stance.

“Our recent efforts have been focused on fuel efficiency, and that perhaps gives the impression Honda is behind with pushing the brand image of sportiness, but let me assure you that is not the case,” said Ito. “We will address that impression with our new generations of cars.”
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:50 AM   #2
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I'm still tempted to buy one of the originals. How cool that would be!

'Course I need a house with a spare garage, first.
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Old 09-13-2011, 10:44 AM   #3
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I literally said "Oh my God" while reading this.........

Quote, "However, the ‘new NSX’ will be radically different from its predecessor, with Ito stating that the goal will be to build a car that has a dramatic power-to-weight-ratio as opposed to outright power."

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"“You can’t depend on a high power output to call a car sporty anymore,” he said. “The original NSX was about high power but also good driving performance, and today power-to-weight is what we have to focus on. "

Are you freaking kidding me? On what planet, in what reality was the NSX about outright power? It was only quick because it was light weight and had amazing handling/balance, not because it had a monster of an engine. Even when the car was first introduced, the engine was not one of the more powerful out there (though it made good power for it's size for the time, don't get me wrong). I find these statement truly incredible and more proof that Honda has its head up its butt, big time. So what, are they going to drag the S2000 out again and rebadge it as the "new NSX"? Or maybe just buy Miatas from Mazda, throw in an engine with no torque, and call it the CR-M? I honestly find so much pathetic about these statements that all the comments are bottle-necking, so I'm just going to stop.

Go away Honda, just go away...........
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:57 AM   #4
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I literally said "Oh my God" while reading this.........

Quote, "However, the ‘new NSX’ will be radically different from its predecessor, with Ito stating that the goal will be to build a car that has a dramatic power-to-weight-ratio as opposed to outright power."

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"“You can’t depend on a high power output to call a car sporty anymore,” he said. “The original NSX was about high power but also good driving performance, and today power-to-weight is what we have to focus on. "

Are you freaking kidding me? On what planet, in what reality was the NSX about outright power? It was only quick because it was light weight and had amazing handling/balance, not because it had a monster of an engine. Even when the car was first introduced, the engine was not one of the more powerful out there (though it made good power for it's size for the time, don't get me wrong). I find these statement truly incredible and more proof that Honda has its head up its butt, big time. So what, are they going to drag the S2000 out again and rebadge it as the "new NSX"? Or maybe just buy Miatas from Mazda, throw in an engine with no torque, and call it the CR-M? I honestly find so much pathetic about these statements that all the comments are bottle-necking, so I'm just going to stop.

Go away Honda, just go away...........
Don't criticize the people who designed the NSX. Those guys know what they are doing.
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I feel ya, SilverSubaab. The original NSX was underpowered, but have you driven one? The sound and feel is pretty exhilarating. I completely agree that they definitely need to boost up the power (over 350HP IMO, to get anyone's attention) But Honda doesn't need to go away. They are an excellent company & I'm glad they are allotting time & money into developing a new sports oriented vehicle.
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Old 09-13-2011, 12:10 PM   #6
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Are you really serious? Honda used to know what they were doing. Current Honda considered the Crosstour and CR-Z good ideas..........

And I'm talking about this guys statements and Honda's recent direction/track record, not "the people who designed the NSX". Get real.
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Old 09-13-2011, 12:19 PM   #7
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I literally said "Oh my God" while reading this.........

Quote, "However, the ‘new NSX’ will be radically different from its predecessor, with Ito stating that the goal will be to build a car that has a dramatic power-to-weight-ratio as opposed to outright power."

and


"“You can’t depend on a high power output to call a car sporty anymore,” he said. “The original NSX was about high power but also good driving performance, and today power-to-weight is what we have to focus on. "

Are you freaking kidding me? On what planet, in what reality was the NSX about outright power? It was only quick because it was light weight and had amazing handling/balance, not because it had a monster of an engine. Even when the car was first introduced, the engine was not one of the more powerful out there (though it made good power for it's size for the time, don't get me wrong).
Exacty what I was thinking while reading it - and that the first NSX was 270hp.
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Old 09-13-2011, 12:24 PM   #8
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I feel ya, SilverSubaab. The original NSX was underpowered, but have you driven one? The sound and feel is pretty exhilarating. I completely agree that they definitely need to boost up the power (over 350HP IMO, to get anyone's attention) But Honda doesn't need to go away. They are an excellent company & I'm glad they are allotting time & money into developing a new sports oriented vehicle.
I have absolutely no issue with the original NSX; I think it is an excellent car all around. I bet it is exhilarating to drive. My problem was the comments around power, which has never been a Honda strong point. That is all. They bring out a very underpowered car in the CR-Z, reducing it from what it could have been. They sell the Civic Si (which is now the company's sportiest vehicle in North America) with a wopping 200hp in a car that weighs around 3,000lbs, while the competition has passed them a long time ago with turbo power/torque. They used to lead segments that they now are in the middle of, at best, or absolute bottom of. The reality is that power is an important element in real world driving. It was the comments framing the NSX as some powerhouse car that made really impressive hp/torque numbers that bothered me, as I don't think anyone thought of the NSX as a powerhouse or brute; it was a razor sharp instrument, that was reliable. The original NSX seems like the perfect example of power-to-weight or performance-to-weight, and a formula to replicate/apply in the current car design, not something to be cast aside.
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Old 09-13-2011, 12:28 PM   #9
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Yep, sounds more like the President / CEO is the one who hasn't driven the old car LOL
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"“You can’t depend on a high power output to call a car sporty anymore,” he said. “The original NSX was about high power but also good driving performance, and today power-to-weight is what we have to focus on. "

Are you freaking kidding me? On what planet, in what reality was the NSX about outright power? It was only quick because it was light weight and had amazing handling/balance, not because it had a monster of an engine.

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Exacty what I was thinking while reading it - and that the first NSX was 270hp.
Which was the maximum allowed by any Japanese automaker at the time. Lets pretend that we understand context and how to apply it.
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Which was the maximum allowed by any Japanese automaker at the time. Lets pretend that we understand context and how to apply it.
What are you talking about? The 300ZX and Supra both had 300+...
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They were officially rated at 276 hp, which was the "agreement" at the time.
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I feel ya, SilverSubaab. The original NSX was underpowered, but have you driven one? The sound and feel is pretty exhilarating. I completely agree that they definitely need to boost up the power (over 350HP IMO, to get anyone's attention) But Honda doesn't need to go away. They are an excellent company & I'm glad they are allotting time & money into developing a new sports oriented vehicle.
Exactly, but I've driven one of the first, and it's got plenty of power, making the car feel balanced in all aspects. You could/can push it so hard right at it's limits without fear for it bitting back or doing something or getting too out of shape.

I hope they stick to the same formula, making it light, mid engine (maybe a small high reving 3.5 V8?), and of course "accessable" to most normal people (i.e. another LFA, but more like a Exige)
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Which was the maximum allowed by any Japanese automaker at the time. Lets pretend that we understand context and how to apply it.
I owned a 1991 NSX.
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This makes me happy. I miss our old carbon NSX that my buddy Steve built.

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meh..

I'd much rather they focused on bringing some excitement back into their mainstream offerings. This kind of one-off super cars are good for wallpapers, but really, when a company produces one every 20 to 30 years or so, I just lose interest.

Besides, I think the GT-R pretty much killed any chance of other Japanese manufacturers producing semi-attainable uber sports cars. I don't think anyone else can come up with a car that costs about the same as the GT-R, and performs as well at this point. That means they will either have to go with the LF-A route, which is to produce a hyper-car that is completely unobtainable, or go with some fuel-efficiency related gimmick to take it out of the direct competition against the GT-R. Either way, not interested.
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meh..

I'd much rather they focused on bringing some excitement back into their mainstream offerings. This kind of one-off super cars are good for wallpapers, but really, when a company produces one every 20 to 30 years or so, I just lose interest.

Besides, I think the GT-R pretty much killed any chance of other Japanese manufacturers producing semi-attainable uber sports cars. I don't think anyone else can come up with a car that costs about the same as the GT-R, and performs as well at this point. That means they will either have to go with the LF-A route, which is to produce a hyper-car that is completely unobtainable, or go with some fuel-efficiency related gimmick to take it out of the direct competition against the GT-R. Either way, not interested.
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Thanks, but I don't have any trouble with that. Maybe you do.........

The NSX was all about balance, period. The car danced around the road. It was NEVER ABOUT MAXIMUM POWER or brutal thrust. The article and statements made within suggests that it was. If want to think otherwise, go ahead. I'm already done with this thread.
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Sorry I am with Calamity here. You have to put yourself in that context. In the world they lived in the most they were allowed to have was 276 HP. That is the top of the mountain, the peak, the zenith of performance throughout those years. So when he is comparing the offerings of Honda at that time, saying the NSX was their power car, is not wrong. Sure it was more about balance, reliability and driveability, but in the world they live in, it was a powerhouse. Just like the 300ZX, and Supra. It is all relative. In his bubble, 276 HP was the king of the hill.
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Are you really serious? Honda used to know what they were doing. Current Honda considered the Crosstour and CR-Z good ideas..........

And I'm talking about this guys statements and Honda's recent direction/track record, not "the people who designed the NSX". Get real.
The Crosstour and CR-Z are good cars, but the market is very competitive these days.

The "direction" you know, seems to be just US market. Never been to Japan I guess or Europe.

The NSX was a very capable car, even today, while underpowered. At that time 270hp it started life as, was very generous amount of power.
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And in the context of 1991, it's power was close to what a lot of the European sports cars were producing. My only complaint with the NSX was that they never made any significant improvements to it over the years. It was a great car in 1991, in 2005 not so much.
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So, now that everyone has voiced their interpretation of the context of the article and their opinion on the NSX, let's put this argument to a rest. We all agree the NSX was a pretty awesome car in it's day. Let's hope Honda gets it right with this next generation supercar. Who knows, maybe it will be some high compression, high revving, light weight, short geared monster. I can only hope.
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