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Old 09-14-2011, 03:49 PM   #51
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DIESEL? Heck yes. Nicely done Subaru. Now to get anything turbo diesel in the US would be a pleasure.
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You're original response was to Ejicon stating that it would be awesome to have in the US. Everyone obviously knows that you can buy it in Europe

He has Diesel capitalized and a question mark after it like he is surprised to see that info. THEN he says it would be nice to see it in the US. So, go yourself. messin with ya
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Old 09-14-2011, 03:56 PM   #52
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If Forester goes bigger, Tribeca will be no more.
Would need to add a third row then. Come to think of it, Forester is due for a redesign next (unless Tribeca gets the green light) so perhaps a 7-seat Forester isn't out of the question. I do know for a fact the 7-seat Forester idea has been brought up before...

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Old 09-14-2011, 08:34 PM   #53
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LOVE the color! I'm really hoping this makes it stateside!
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:37 PM   #54
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It would be nice if they brought that to the states. I might actually ditch my current set of wheels for one. Though that haynous orange has to go.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:55 PM   #55
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It looks nice, but it will be heavier and thus no faster than the Impreza with the same engine and with no better MPG. Question is how much worse. Based on what Subaru advertised, Impreza is not too fast already.
Diesel is not likely for the US. Gas engine will not have DI, based on Subaru news releases.

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Old 09-15-2011, 06:53 AM   #56
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It looks nice, but it will be heavier and thus no faster than the Impreza with the same engine and with no better MPG. Question is how much worse. Based on what Subaru advertised, Impreza is not too fast already.
Diesel is not likely for the US. Gas engine will not have DI, based on Subaru news releases.
Who cares about speed. It's intended to be a small fuel efficient car. An Impreza hatch with a bit of ground clearance. Perfect for winter commuting.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:19 AM   #57
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Press conference videos at Frankfurt.

http://www.subaru-global.com/about/m...t/index02.html

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Old 09-15-2011, 10:37 AM   #58
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I want the DIESEL. Why would I pick this over the Impreza if it has no Diesel?
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:07 PM   #59
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It looks nice, but it will be heavier and thus no faster than the Impreza with the same engine and with no better MPG. Question is how much worse. Based on what Subaru advertised, Impreza is not too fast already.
Diesel is not likely for the US. Gas engine will not have DI, based on Subaru news releases.
The current Impreza has more horsepower than everything else in its class besides the VW. The new Impreza is "faster" than what it is replacing. What is the complaint here? It's not a WRX.

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I want the DIESEL. Why would I pick this over the Impreza if it has no Diesel?
Ground clearance and maybe looks. Same reason people bought the Outback over the Legacy wagon.
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:16 PM   #60
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Ground clearance and maybe looks. Same reason people bought the Outback over the Legacy wagon.
Or the OBS over the TS wagon
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:57 AM   #61
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Without Diesel, this just becomes the Impreza on Forester suspension...

With Diesel, it becomes something worth paying a premium for.
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Old 09-16-2011, 12:39 PM   #62
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Would need to add a third row then. Come to think of it, Forester is due for a redesign next (unless Tribeca gets the green light) so perhaps a 7-seat Forester isn't out of the question. I do know for a fact the 7-seat Forester idea has been brought up before...
FHI recently said their vehicles are the right size now that they've grown, and they don't have plans to keep make things even bigger. Leapfrogging Forester over Outback in size would be pretty risky. A Forester-style Tribeca would be welcome, though, IMHO. (Though I think the odds are greater Tribeca will be based on Highlander than a built-from-scratch Subaru.)
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:14 PM   #63
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Some big changes are coming at Subaru – as it has revealed at the Frankfurt Motor Show this week.

The Japanese maker’s much anticipated rear-drive sports car still isn’t quite ready for primetime, though it generated much chatter at both the Subaru and Toyota stands – the latter maker helping develop the Miata-class 2-seater.


But what Subaru did have to reveal in the form of the new XV was arguably of even more significance as it could replace the long-lived Impreza, which is itself the foundation of products like the WRX.

And the changes will extend will below the skin, the maker confirmed, with an all-new 2.0-liter turbocharged direct injection boxer-four engine coming for the line-up.

The Subaru XV has a clear familial resemblance to the existing Impreza, albeit the new model goes a fair bit more towards the crossover end of the design spectrum.

While that might suggest a vehicle ready to take on any road, the theme of the project was “Urban Adventure,” Subaru describing the XV as “a vehicle that would be perfectly suited to exciting, lively, yet stress-free use in the city.”

That fits, of course, the European buyer mindset, where even less motorists are likely to see anything rougher than a gravel road than back in the U.S.

But if trailblazing doesn’t matter, performance and fuel economy are the two somewhat competing challenges Subaru has had to address with the XV. In basic trim, the new model is expected to put an emphasis on mileage – especially in Europe. The new model is expected to get a mix of 1.6-liter and 2.0-liter boxer fours. They’ll be paired to CVT and manual gearboxes. Stop/Start functionality is apparently also in the cards for Europe.

The new XV will be hitting European showrooms early next year. Plans for the U.S., however were left vague during the unveiling.

Mileage is an issue State-side as well, of course, and the latest iteration of the Impreza made an impressive jump from 27 to 36 mpg on the highway with the shift to a new 2.0-liter naturally aspirated boxer four codenamed the FA.

But Subaru isn’t abandoning its performance fans and has an alternative powertrain for them dubbed FB. It will use direct injection and turbocharging to deliver a serious 300 horsepower in the new WRX, only five hp less than what the current STi puts out with its 2.5-liter four.
So, what will the next version of that rice burner get? That, apparently is still a matter of loud debate inside Subaru’s inner sanctum, a senior source tells TheDetroitBureau.com.

There are two options under debate. One would hold onto the 2.5-liter engine and just tweak it to turn out more power. The other alternative would take the new 2.0 and use an even bigger turbocharger to bump up the pony count. The challenge there is maintaining off-the-line torque.
The next versions of the WRX and STi are still a year away but a decision is likely to come in the very near future.
http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2011...xv/#more-42617
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Old 09-16-2011, 03:17 PM   #64
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I don't get the marketing for the XV on the Subaru Global website. They are selling the XV as an "urban" vehicle... huh? Why do you need raised suspension and plastic bits in the city?

They're showing flowers and shopping bags.

I don't get it.
This. 8.6" of ground clearance for the city? The Impreza has too much body roll as it is. If you're not planning on off-roading, then why buy this?
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:21 PM   #65
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This. 8.6" of ground clearance for the city? The Impreza has too much body roll as it is. If you're not planning on off-roading, then why buy this?
I agree, early marketing (so far) doesn't make sense. An "urban" CUV with a ton of ground clearance?

Subaru could really make this into a really neat, sporty off-roader, which is where I think it should be targeted.

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Old 09-16-2011, 05:55 PM   #66
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This was debuted in Europe. Thus the marketing is geared towards what Europeans want hear
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:00 PM   #67
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This was debuted in Europe. Thus the marketing is geared towards what Europeans want hear
Good point, and I hope you're correct. Would love to see it here—but with the 2.5 engine!

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Old 09-16-2011, 06:11 PM   #68
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I have nothing of value to add, but my thoughts are;

looks like a 5dr impreza w/ ground clearance
I do not like the wheels
The web page is annoying, got all of 3 minutes of my time

OTOH, if I liked diesel it would be great. but it ain't my thing.
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:17 PM   #69
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^ Or both engines. In europe every car has about 4 different engines you can chose from as easily as paint colour. Why not offer the FB25 for an extra, say 2000$, for those who want it?
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^ Or both engines. In europe every car has about 4 different engines you can chose from as easily as paint colour. Why not offer the FB25 for an extra, say 2000$, for those who want it?
I'm not sure about Canada but the answer, at least for the US market, is: CAFE! SOA will have to carefully adjust their mix of car/drivelines from now on to make their CAFE target. Selling future Imprezas with the FB25 will mean they can sell fewer other (more profitable) cars with that engine or turbo and H6 engines.

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Old 09-17-2011, 06:24 PM   #71
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The current Impreza has more horsepower than everything else in its class besides the VW. The new Impreza is "faster" than what it is replacing.
Based on FHI news releases, Impreza does 0-60 in 9.8 sec. Slower than a Corolla, which has much less power.
XV, with same engine, cannot possibly be faster, most likely slower and get some MPG penalty and higher price.
Nothing wrong with any of that, on principal.
Clearance is great for snow, with somewhat better handling for the lower Impreza.
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So how the hell the RS with the same engine was clocked at 7.9 by C&D a while ago (the pre-bugeye version IIRC). Weight???
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So how the hell the RS with the same engine was clocked at 7.9 by C&D a while ago (the pre-bugeye version IIRC). Weight???
Weight and the 4.44 RS gearing.

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d'oh. thanks.
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Old 09-18-2011, 12:10 PM   #75
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But what Subaru did have to reveal in the form of the new XV was arguably of even more significance as it could replace the long-lived Impreza, which is itself the foundation of products like the WRX.

And the changes will extend will below the skin, the maker confirmed, with an all-new 2.0-liter turbocharged direct injection boxer-four engine coming for the line-up.
If the XV comes with a 2.0T, first year or not, where's the line form?!
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