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Old 08-09-2012, 01:44 PM   #851
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Those pics really show off the way the tires/wheels fill the wheel well...or don't fill it.
Is it just me or do the tires in that series of pictures look WAY undersize, maybe a bit silly?
I am not into Big Tires, but there is a balance if they are going to make a big ole hole for the tires to sit in.

Is the XV meant to roll with a different size tire as an "upgrade"? (which will mess up the speedometer and odometer)

Otherwise its sort of a cool look.
In order to have the off-road capability that this vehicle has demonstrated you need suspension travel. Which means you need room ( "big ole hole")for vertical wheel/tire travel. Which can't happen if you want the "slammed" look lol!
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:53 PM   #852
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In order to have the off-road capability that this vehicle has demonstrated you need suspension travel. Which means you need room ( "big ole hole")for vertical wheel/tire travel. Which can't happen if you want the "slammed" look lol!
The ads are all pushing this as a city car, or at most smooth dirt roads.
I think "city" was referenced at least a half dozen times in the first ad. Official ads all seem to show it on pavement. I guess thats why I didn't figure it neede 6" of body travel outside the wheel stance.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:16 PM   #853
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I was in the market for an Impreza last year but that never materialized... Now I'm deciding between the Impreza, Crosstrek, Outback, and CX-5 I'm gobbling up every bit of info I can about the crosstrek and can't wait to see more. I just wish I could actually see one in person and give it a quick drive before becoming emotionally invested in it :P I always want the hardest cars to find (Excluding the Outback, which are a dime a dozen out here).

BTW Those pictures are awesome, Keene Subi! I'm still debating which color I prefer

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Old 08-09-2012, 09:14 PM   #854
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The ads are all pushing this as a city car, or at most smooth dirt roads.
I think "city" was referenced at least a half dozen times in the first ad. Official ads all seem to show it on pavement. I guess thats why I didn't figure it neede 6" of body travel outside the wheel stance.
Check out video link, pretty much tells the tale. For city car why not just get the Impreza?

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Old 08-11-2012, 11:58 AM   #855
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I really wish Subaru would quit screwing around and release all the details and update the site with the available options already. I really want to hurry up and get the ball rolling here.
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Old 08-11-2012, 07:40 PM   #856
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I really wish Subaru would quit screwing around and release all the details and update the site with the available options already. I really want to hurry up and get the ball rolling here.


Options?

If premiuk, CVT yes or no.
If limited, leather yes or no.
Nav yes or no.
Moonroof yes or no (probably part of some package)
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Old 08-12-2012, 02:09 PM   #857
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Leather is standard on Subaru's Limited trims.

Option packages and standalone options, and their MSRP, here:
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/crosst...3.html#options
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Old 08-13-2012, 12:45 AM   #858
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Leather is standard on Subaru's Limited trims.

Option packages and standalone options, and their MSRP, here:
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/crosst...3.html#options

Yeah that is right. I had a brain fart on that one.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:09 PM   #859
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So only the manual has all the time AWD huh. So when did this start happening?
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So only the manual has all the time AWD huh. So when did this start happening?
Brett, that is incorrect. Both have AWD all the time.

Manual= continuous AWD
CVT= Active AWD

There is lots of info on here and on the internet in general about the differences and pros/cons.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:41 PM   #861
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So only the manual has all the time AWD huh. So when did this start happening?
If you're referring to this, from cars101:
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CVT models use "Active" all wheel drive with electronically controlled front/back power split. Mostly front wheel drive under normal driving conditions.
Then it's been that way for a long time. It's still "all the time" AWD, it's just not always a 50/50 split. IIRC, the previous-gen Legacy 4EAT was like a 90/10 split by default, under normal conditions, and it adjusts as needed.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:48 AM   #862
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So only the manual has all the time AWD huh. So when did this start happening?
All Subarus are all the time AWD. Even Active varies torque under braking, steering, and throttle inputs. That's what it's called "Active" as it's just not primarily FWD all the time and "Reactive" to slipping. It's FWD biased under cruising but anything you do to the car will cause varying degrees of power to shift to the rear.

That's why even on wet pavement and even on a wet incline you aren't going to chirp the front tires if you floor it. An AWD RAV4 or CR-V will.

The vast majority of Subarus sold are Active AWD systems. There's no way Subaru would have earned its AWD reputation over the years if the rears were just along for the ride.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:47 PM   #863
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If you're referring to this, from cars101:
Then it's been that way for a long time. It's still "all the time" AWD, it's just not always a 50/50 split. IIRC, the previous-gen Legacy 4EAT was like a 90/10 split by default, under normal conditions, and it adjusts as needed.
According to Subaru's global website, the Active AWD has a torque split of 60:40.

http://www.subaru-global.com/tec_awd.html

And the new heavy duty CVT is mated to the VTD system on the Legacy 2.0 DIT. The VTD has a torque split of 45:55. It would have been nice to see the XV come with the H/D CVT + VTD AWD system to differentiate more from the regular Imprezas.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:49 AM   #864
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In case you don't read other threads, Crosstrek ordering goes live 8-15 at 2pm eastern according to Subarunet. That also includes Impreza, WRX, and STI.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:37 AM   #865
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In case you don't read other threads, Crosstrek ordering goes live 8-15 at 2pm eastern according to Subarunet. That also includes Impreza, WRX, and STI.
Subarunet is the internal site for Subie dealerships et al, right? I had heard from my dealership that they were unsure whether or not they'd be able to offer pre-orders for the first wave... I might have to check back in this afternoon. If they offer pre-order incentives like they did with the Impreza, I think I'm in for a Limited w/Nav in Desert Khaki
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This may be a dumb question, but is there a way for ordinary people to enter Subarunet?
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:08 PM   #867
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This may be a dumb question, but is there a way for ordinary people to enter Subarunet?
No question is dumb, just some require more research to be answered.

Subarunet is for DEALERS only. Usually people on here or at your local dealership are cool with sharing info on whatever you're looking for. You just have to ask nicely.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:31 PM   #868
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No question is dumb, just some require more research to be answered.

Subarunet is for DEALERS only. Usually people on here or at your local dealership are cool with sharing info on whatever you're looking for. You just have to ask nicely.
I accidentally ended up with a Crosstrek Marketing Preview pamphlet if anyone wants to know who Subaru is targeting with the Crosstrek
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:58 PM   #869
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All Subarus are all the time AWD. Even Active varies torque under braking, steering, and throttle inputs. That's what it's called "Active" as it's just not primarily FWD all the time and "Reactive" to slipping. It's FWD biased under cruising but anything you do to the car will cause varying degrees of power to shift to the rear.

That's why even on wet pavement and even on a wet incline you aren't going to chirp the front tires if you floor it. An AWD RAV4 or CR-V will.

The vast majority of Subarus sold are Active AWD systems. There's no way Subaru would have earned its AWD reputation over the years if the rears were just along for the ride.

Nicely said. Well you brushed away any doubt.

At the person above: Subaru made it pretty clear who they are targeting.
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I meant in a bit more detail. It's obvious they're targeting city-dwellers despite the Crosstrek's seemingly impressive off-road performance. Personally, I'm interested in it for its unique styling (Every soccer mom in this city of 100,000 and Colorado in general drives an Outback, so the sheer ubiquitous-ness of it makes it unappealing to me), the increased ground clearance, and ability to perform when needed in rough/wintery terrain (mild off-road capacity).

Spoilers: Their estimated target population size is 9.4 million, 56% male and 44% female, at a median age of 33 of whom 61% have an "executive or white collar" career (EG city dwellers). They're going after "youthful explorers."
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Oh, so you're just saying that you're privy to projected numbers? Because we've already seen from their site who they're marketing this car to. It's mostly been dudes that I've talked to that have been interested in the XV. The women, including my mother, are more interested in the Impreza because it's lower and gets better gas mileage (although overall travelling mileage seems to be the same).

More power (or torque) for the XV would make it much more appealing.
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I'm only privy to a marketing preview pamphlet, nothing more

I'd like to see the Crosstrek available with the same 2.5L as the Outback, personally. 173hp/174ft-lb torque seems more than adequate for a vehicle that's about 350lbs lighter than the Outback (Limited) - excluding the additional weight of the transition to a larger engine.

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I meant in a bit more detail. It's obvious they're targeting city-dwellers despite the Crosstrek's seemingly impressive off-road performance. Personally, I'm interested in it for its unique styling (Every soccer mom in this city of 100,000 and Colorado in general drives an Outback, so the sheer ubiquitous-ness of it makes it unappealing to me), the increased ground clearance, and ability to perform when needed in rough/wintery terrain (mild off-road capacity).

Spoilers: Their estimated target population size is 9.4 million, 56% male and 44% female, at a median age of 33 of whom 61% have an "executive or white collar" career (EG city dwellers). They're going after "youthful explorers."
Young urban explorers = YUPPIES as in young urban professionals. That basically sums it up.

But who they target it to doesnt exactly mean theyre the only ones who will buy it. Over at the XV forums it seems the majority of buyers are in their late 30s or 40s so far.
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Subarunet is the internal site for Subie dealerships et al, right? I had heard from my dealership that they were unsure whether or not they'd be able to offer pre-orders for the first wave... I might have to check back in this afternoon. If they offer pre-order incentives like they did with the Impreza, I think I'm in for a Limited w/Nav in Desert Khaki
Looks to me like you can place an order. Everything is up in there.


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No question is dumb, just some require more research to be answered.

Subarunet is for DEALERS only. Usually people on here or at your local dealership are cool with sharing info on whatever you're looking for. You just have to ask nicely.

And sometimes they post things that could get them in trouble. Not everything on there is for the public. If you were to ask someone at SOA, I'd bet they would say that nothing on that site should be shown.
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I'll have to get a hold of my dealerships and say "What can you do to get me in a car today!?" (October)

It's between the Crosstrek and the CX-5 for me at the moment, as Outbacks are much too prevalent out here, a bit longer, and are a bit expensive to configure to my specification for my consideration.
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