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Old 08-17-2012, 12:27 AM   #901
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Ah you guys forgot that the Impreza Sport Premium comes with All weather package as standard while the XV Premium does not come with AWP which is another $500.00 option. AWP is important for those of us in the snow states.
I know it has already been addressed that All-Weather Package is indeed standard on XV Crosstrek, but note that on Impreza Sport Premium the AWP is NOT standard on the automatic, only on the manual.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:27 AM   #902
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Hi Staryoshi,
Sounds like you've already done a bunch of research. Note the XV Crosstrek has a better power-to-weight ratio than CX-5. Crosstrek's ground clearance is also superior: 8.7" to 8.5". Crosstrek's visibility should be excellent in all directions, too... Impreza has been praised for visibility, and Crosstrek will only improve on it with the additional height.
CX-5 will be larger in and out, more like Forester.
Fuel economy is a wash (assuming AWD automatics), with Crosstrek 1MPG better on the highway and CX-5 1MPG better in the city. (Crosstrek gets the "best in class" bragging rights, though, because the highest rated MPG is 33 vs 32.)
Both should be pretty darn nice cars, eh? Not really a bad pick either way. Subaru should have the resale & reliability advantage, but I'm sure the Mazda will most likely be fine as well.
To say that I've done quite a bit of research is an understatement!

The Automatic AWD CX-5 is actually rated at 25/31 - The Automatic FWD model is 26/32 Resale isn't a concern of mine, as whichever one I choose I'll keep for 5+ years.

Either option is great, but I can only choose 1 :P Unfortunately, I can't see, touch, or drive one of them for quite some time and there's no incentive to pre-order it and tie up $500 without some sort of... incentive

I have to balance interior quality/features and extra cargo capacity (CX-5) against capable offroading and a superior AWD/safety system (Crosstrek).

Decisions... If anyone has any CX-5 questions, I can probably answer some of them... I've test driven them a few times and done hours of research on both the CX-5 and Crosstrek... more like days of research

I find that my knowledge of the cars I'm shopping for exceeds that of the salesmen I work with... -_-
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:30 AM   #903
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^Oh, thanks for the correction on the CX-5 fuel economy! Comparing AWD models puts that solidly in Crosstrek's favor, then.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:44 AM   #904
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^Oh, thanks for the correction on the CX-5 fuel economy! Comparing AWD models puts that solidly in Crosstrek's favor, then.
One key difference is that the CX-5 weighs a good 300lbs more than the Crosstrek. It's much taller and has quite a bit more cargo capacity while only being a few inches longer, though. The CX-5 is built with even more urban intentions than the Crosstrek, as is evidenced by its front end.

I've found with the CX-5 that it's pretty darn easy to surpass the EPA numbers if the on-board computer is to be believed. (According to the computer, I was averaging over 30MPG in the city with some brief mountain climbing - I live near some foothills :P) The Crosstrek should also exceed the EPA ratings, I think, given thoughtful acceleration :P
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:22 AM   #905
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Pricing is too high. $23,990 for a Premium CVT. That's within just a few thousand of the larger, and just about equally fuel efficient, Outback.
Essentially, $2200 gets you this stuff above Impreza Sport Premium CVT:
Upgraded/raised suspension, larger sway bars, larger front brakes, all-weather package, cooling/towing capacity, reinforced body, cargo tray, side-curtain airbag rollover sensors, exclusive alloys, various claddings/trims, tinted glass, etc.

A steal? Nah, but it seems reasonable to me, and less than if you tried to add all that stuff separately. *shrug*
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I've found with the CX-5 that it's pretty darn easy to surpass the EPA numbers if the on-board computer is to be believed. (According to the computer, I was averaging over 30MPG in the city with some brief mountain climbing - I live near some foothills :P) The Crosstrek should also exceed the EPA ratings, I think, given thoughtful acceleration :P
On the fueleconomy.gov website, CX-5 is underachieving by about 1MPG so far. (Take into consideration that it's only 5 drivers reporting at this point, and the vehicles may still be in a break-in period.)
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.d...rue&details=on

I haven't looked at Fuelly. Maybe they've got more info.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:43 AM   #907
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On the fueleconomy.gov website, CX-5 is underachieving by about 1MPG so far. (Take into consideration that it's only 5 drivers reporting at this point, and the vehicles may still be in a break-in period.)
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.d...rue&details=on

I haven't looked at Fuelly. Maybe they've got more info.
The Fuelly results look encouraging. (Lots of responses, too) As with anything else it'll depend on driving style. I don't think 30MPG average is out of the question.

That said, we need to keep talking about the Crosstrek! I'm not sure whether I like Desert Khaki or Dark Gray Metallic better... Hmm...
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Looks sinister in the dark gray w/black wheels, and khaki stands out from the crowd without being flashy. Both are nice. I also really like the Ice Silver with the silver accents on those black wheels, but there's so many silver cars out there...

Because of my old Garnet Red Pearl '06 Outback 3.0R, I'm particularly partial to the Venetian Red... even the XV's bodystyle is similar to that generation OB, just a little shorter in the cargo area. And the Tangerine is sure fun (though I'd never order it myself). Glad to see Subaru trying a couple new things.
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I know it has already been addressed that All-Weather Package is indeed standard on XV Crosstrek, but note that on Impreza Sport Premium the AWP is NOT standard on the automatic, only on the manual.

I am looking at it now. It is either standard or not available at all. It doesn't show an option for it on Subarunet; and since I am looking at one now with the AWP, I'd say it's standard on the Sport.
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I was going to get the premium but only $1500 more for limited with all those extra features, may force me to get the limited.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:16 AM   #911
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I spoke with a dealership yesterday about OTD price quotes on ordering a few different WRX configurations, and for Ss & Gs I asked about ordering a limited XV in desert khaki. According to the gentleman I spoke with, they could order an XV, but couldn't tell me the price... at least not an OTD minus TTL quote. Is that accurate?
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Old 08-17-2012, 03:59 PM   #912
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Maybe not many people will cross-shop the Crosstrek and the Legacy, but I have a Legacy now, and have been considering both the Crosstrek (more ground clearance than Impreza, cheaper than outback) and the '13 Legacy.

Getting something similarly-configured, in Premium or Limited trim, is within $400 of an equivalent Legacy. (Though part of that is I want moonroof, but not factory nav, which is required to get moonroof on Crosstrek Limited, but not on Legacy Limited. Adding nav would bump the Legacy price considerably.) Fuel economy on the Legacy is just -1 city and hwy. (More weight, more power, but better aero.)

For anyone who's spent time in both the current-gen Impreza (Crosstrek should be about the same) and Legacy, does the Legacy have better sound dampening, better interior? I haven't test driven an Impreza since MY07, but I did test drive a '12 Legacy.
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I spoke with a dealership yesterday about OTD price quotes on ordering a few different WRX configurations, and for Ss & Gs I asked about ordering a limited XV in desert khaki. According to the gentleman I spoke with, they could order an XV, but couldn't tell me the price... at least not an OTD minus TTL quote. Is that accurate?
Probably not wanting to promise anything now for a car that won't be here for a couple months. Things can change.

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For anyone who's spent time in both the current-gen Impreza (Crosstrek should be about the same) and Legacy, does the Legacy have better sound dampening, better interior? I haven't test driven an Impreza since MY07, but I did test drive a '12 Legacy.

Impreza is really nice. Especially compared to previous models; but, the Legacy is still better in those categories you listed.
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I am looking at it now. It is either standard or not available at all. It doesn't show an option for it on Subarunet; and since I am looking at one now with the AWP, I'd say it's standard on the Sport.
Hmm. That definitely conflicts with what I read earlier elsewhere. I'd say your info trumps mine, though. Thanks for keeping the facts straight, JustyWRC.
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Roof rails are a $250 option and the CX-5 has a 2,000lb towing capacity I'm torn between the two :P
I bought the 2012 Impreza over the CX-5 just simply because the finance manager at Mazda would not actually listen to me. I kind of wish I just went to a different dealership.
The CX-5 had way more room, especially trunk space, i have 2 kids, so this is a huge concern for me (don't know your situation).
The Impreza has excellent 360 degree visibility, the CX-5 has multiple major blindspots, they have the detection sensors, but I feel paying more to compensate for a design oversight kind of sucks.
If the XV was available when I was looking, I don't think I would have questioned my choice so much. But in another year, i'll be back at it cross shopping to replace my wifes Forester, I already know it'll come down to XV, CX-5 diesel, and Escape 1.6T AWD (I get a Ford discount, but still bought a Subaru!)
Also, Thule and Yakima make better rack set ups for less $$$, so don't worry about rails

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That said, we need to keep talking about the Crosstrek! I'm not sure whether I like Desert Khaki or Dark Gray Metallic better... Hmm...
According to an article at http://www.torquenews.com/1084/first...ers-first-look, there's a Crosstrek making the rounds at dealerships in your neck of the woods. So you might want to call some nearby dealers to find out when it will show up at their lots so you can at least sit in one.
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I've already received an email invitation from my dealership to go test drive it but I am afraid that I will like it too much...lol!
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According to an article at http://www.torquenews.com/1084/first...ers-first-look, there's a Crosstrek making the rounds at dealerships in your neck of the woods. So you might want to call some nearby dealers to find out when it will show up at their lots so you can at least sit in one.
Thanks, I wish I knew that 2 days ago! I was in Colorado Springs this weekend and I could have taken a look at it :'( Hopefully they'll bring it up north near me... I'll have to hassle the dealers up here to find out.

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I bought the 2012 Impreza over the CX-5 just simply because the finance manager at Mazda would not actually listen to me. I kind of wish I just went to a different dealership.
The CX-5 had way more room, especially trunk space, i have 2 kids, so this is a huge concern for me (don't know your situation).
The Impreza has excellent 360 degree visibility, the CX-5 has multiple major blindspots, they have the detection sensors, but I feel paying more to compensate for a design oversight kind of sucks.
If the XV was available when I was looking, I don't think I would have questioned my choice so much. But in another year, i'll be back at it cross shopping to replace my wifes Forester, I already know it'll come down to XV, CX-5 diesel, and Escape 1.6T AWD (I get a Ford discount, but still bought a Subaru!)
Also, Thule and Yakima make better rack set ups for less $$$, so don't worry about rails
The technology disparity between the two is massive considering the $1,300 price difference between a loaded Limited Crosstrek and a loaded AWD Touring CX-5, but I'm still leaning toward the Crosstrek. I'll have to replace the headlamps, speakers, and perhaps the red LED interior lighting, though :P Which ever one I get I'll just slap one of those tiny hitch adapter thingies on and get a Thule 2-bike carrier - that's easier than using the rails IMO. The rails would be reserved for large, awkward objects like those I'll end up with after Ikea trips Any idea what kind of load the rails/roof can handle in terms of weight?

I just wish the Crosstrek had more tech-centric options to go with its premium price :/
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:42 PM   #919
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But in another year, i'll be back at it cross shopping to replace my wifes Forester, I already know it'll come down to XV, CX-5 diesel, and Escape 1.6T AWD (I get a Ford discount, but still bought a Subaru!)

I have a feeling you'll also be considering replacing her Forester with the new Forester. My sources are saying it is going to be quite nice.
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I have a feeling you'll also be considering replacing her Forester with the new Forester. My sources are saying it is going to be quite nice.
If they drop the CVT in there and offer the revamped Outback engine it'll be quite nice, I think. It's crazy that it still uses the 4-speed, IMO. I'd love to see Subies with 6-speed automatics rather than the CVT, but at least the CVT is implemented well. Economy should improve quite a bit. I'm tempted to wait for it if my dealers won't offer me anything but MSRP on the Crosstrek. (Where are the pre-order incentives we saw with the '12 Impreza? )
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If they drop the CVT in there and offer the revamped Outback engine it'll be quite nice, I think. It's crazy that it still uses the 4-speed, IMO. I'd love to see Subies with 6-speed automatics rather than the CVT, but at least the CVT is implemented well. Economy should improve quite a bit. I'm tempted to wait for it if my dealers won't offer me anything but MSRP on the Crosstrek. (Where are the pre-order incentives we saw with the '12 Impreza? )

Look how long the MPGs were competitive(for an AWD)!
The CVT is a given. I think the pre-order incentives on the Impreza were because of the big delay of releasing the car. They would not have done those if the car released on schedule.
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Then unfortunately I probably won't order one I was hoping to see some incentive for tying up $500 and all but guaranteeing a sale The Crosstrek is the vehicle I want... but I'm not a Subie fan-boy... yet. They've really got to entice me if I'm going to convert to their brand, especially when ordering a vehicle I can't meet in person for two months.

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Then unfortunately I probably won't order one I was hoping to see some incentive for tying up $500 and all but guaranteeing a sale The Crosstrek is the vehicle I want... but I'm not a Subie fan-boy... yet. They've really got to entice me if I'm going to convert to their brand, especially when ordering a vehicle I can't meet in person for two months.
That reminds me of the other week went I went to the Hyundai dealership. I had never checked out the Veloster, so I sat in it for a while, but wasn't in the mood to test drive. After I was done I was introduced to the sales manager and told him I was interested in just SEEING the Veloster Turbo when it arrived, even if it was pre-sold. He told me, "These things go quick. If you really want to see one you can put down a $500 deposit and we'll configure one for you any way you like."

... Seriously? You want me to put money down on a car that I've NEVER driven before? With my 2011 WRX it was different because my sales guy let me test drive a 2009 WRX Premium hatch, so I at least knew how the WRX would accelerate and shift. Recently I pre-ordered a car the way I wanted it without any money because the dealership knew they could sell it. The Hyundai sales manager seriously needed to grow a pair.

Anyways, staryoshi, I can totally understand your apprehension. For its class the Crosstrek needs to step it up just a bit more. It's so close already, though! We can almost taste it!
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That reminds me of the other week went I went to the Hyundai dealership. I had never checked out the Veloster, so I sat in it for a while, but wasn't in the mood to test drive. After I was done I was introduced to the sales manager and told him I was interested in just SEEING the Veloster Turbo when it arrived, even if it was pre-sold. He told me, "These things go quick. If you really want to see one you can put down a $500 deposit and we'll configure one for you any way you like."

... Seriously? You want me to put money down on a car that I've NEVER driven before? With my 2011 WRX it was different because my sales guy let me test drive a 2009 WRX Premium hatch, so I at least knew how the WRX would accelerate and shift. Recently I pre-ordered a car the way I wanted it without any money because the dealership knew they could sell it. The Hyundai sales manager seriously needed to grow a pair.

Anyways, staryoshi, I can totally understand your apprehension. For its class the Crosstrek needs to step it up just a bit more. It's so close already, though! We can almost taste it!
Hyundai is particularly annoying from my experience. They have an "Our cars sell themselves" attitude from every salesperson I've talked to. My attitude toward that is that they'll do with one fewer sale :P BTW I checked out a '12 Veloster (non-turbo) because of its unique styling and tech feature set.... and it was much too weird and not enjoyable to drive. They basically told me they never get in any Turbo models (which is what I had wanted to look at) and did not inform me that I could even order one.

It still kills me that I missed the chance to check one out on Friday... I'll contact some local dealerships today to see if they'll be getting the demo model.
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Subaru Canada has updated its website at subaru.ca with detailed info (trims, specs, prices, etc) about its versions of the 2013 XV Crosstrek.
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