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Old 09-27-2012, 10:35 PM   #1001
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Great color but it only comes in the taupe/ tan interior?
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:54 PM   #1002
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I forgot to look does anyone know if the back seat has it own a/c-heating vents?
No. That's available only in Outback/Legacy (Limited trim) and Tribeca.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:34 PM   #1003
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I'd definitely upgrade to that from my Impreza to get a little more size.
It's not bigger inside than the current Impreza. It has more clearance.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:04 AM   #1004
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XV Crosstrek has so much potential to be a street version of that rally idiom... yet is it slow, underpowered, and barely offered with a manual gearbox. Probably better that they didn't paint it WR Blue, with gold instead of black on the wheels.


Pretty sure this was NEVER their intention.
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:06 AM   #1005
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Pretty sure this was NEVER their intention.
This is just one of the minor reasons to put him on ignore. He keeps vomiting on his keyboard.

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Old 09-28-2012, 10:07 AM   #1006
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No. That's available only in Outback/Legacy (Limited trim) and Tribeca.
That is what I thought but after loading the car seats in on the teats drive I forgot to look
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:44 AM   #1007
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This is just one of the minor reasons to put him on ignore. He keeps vomiting on his keyboard.

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HTBS... lamenting on tangents in an effort to derail threads into areas he wants to rant on since 2004.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:25 PM   #1008
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i should be ordering mine tomorrow.
Im baffled on why subaru would do this. You cant get JUST the moonroof on the limited. It comes in a package, moon roof + GPS for $2000. So instead, im getting the moonroof in the premium with the cvt trans. Thank god im not getting the 5 spd, because you cant get the moonroof. What the hell does one thing have to do with the other?.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:36 PM   #1009
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Anybody know if the XV or Forester suspension subframe spacers and longer struts will fit a WRX STI?

Or if the plastic wheel well fender edges will fit?

If Subaru won't make a powerful, technically superior XV Crosstrek... nor a Forester XT with a proper drivetrain... and with the demise of the Outback XT after 2009...

maybe somebody could "roll their own" high-powered XV, starting from a GR STI 5-door.

It is supposed to be a rally car, is it not?


XV Crosstrek has so much potential to be a street version of that rally idiom... yet is it slow, underpowered, and barely offered with a manual gearbox. Probably better that they didn't paint it WR Blue, with gold instead of black on the wheels.


Your statements are dumb. As much as you probably don't wanna believe it Subaru doesn't revolve around "powerful rally cars". These "rally" cars you speak of besides the tribecca sell the least. Most customers don't care to have a 2.5L turbocharged car.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:24 AM   #1010
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Your statements are dumb. As much as you probably don't wanna believe it Subaru doesn't revolve around "powerful rally cars". These "rally" cars you speak of besides the tribecca sell the least. Most customers don't care to have a 2.5L turbocharged car.
After having owned 3 turbocharged 2.5L and 1 NA 2.5L, I can honestly say that I'm over them.

NA 2.0L DI in my future.
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:54 AM   #1011
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After having owned 3 turbocharged 2.5L and 1 NA 2.5L, I can honestly say that I'm over them.

NA 2.0L DI in my future.
correct. Today with higher gas prices, and simply getting older, driving habits and needs change. The turbo/h6 engines and non DI 2.5 s are way behind the curve with fuel economy ratings cars are getting today.

This is why the XV appeals to me. I'm cross shopping this with the new Mazda CX5 AWD touring. Will come down to road manners. And I know the Mazda has this going for them.

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Old 09-29-2012, 09:28 AM   #1012
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After having owned 3 turbocharged 2.5L and 1 NA 2.5L, I can honestly say that I'm over them.

NA 2.0L DI in my future.

I hear you. What about the 2.0DIT which gets great fuel economy? Or a potential FB25 DI?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:17 AM   #1013
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My local dealer called me up yesterday to tell me they got their first XV Crosstrek. It was a Desert Khaki Premium 5sp with a spoiler. I got to drive it before the dealer ever prepped the damn thing. Still had plastic on the seats, no fuses in for the radio and interior maps lights, and it even had plastic on the rims. I really enjoyed driving it and will probably purchase one soon.
I was worried about the slowness issue that a lot of reviewers have mentioned. While it is certainly not fast (I drive a Civic Si currently) it does certainly have enough power to drive safely and reasonably. At one point I shifted to 2nd gear too early and it was quite bogged down below 2000rpm. But, considering this is not a performance car, I appreciate the incredible utility it offers. The handling does not feel like a car at its height and it just eats up the bad pavement I was driving on. Interior is all lit with red back-lighting and is comfortable and functional.

Your photo shows a larger rear spoiler than I've noticed, is that the 300 dollar option?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:53 AM   #1014
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Your photo shows a larger rear spoiler than I've noticed, is that the 300 dollar option?

Yeah, that is the accessory spoiler. I think the Crosstrek doesn't look right without it. There were several at our training both with and without them. They had a red one with tons of accessories on it and I fell in love.

It does have less "get up and go" than the Impreza, and less mpg, but the overall feel of the car makes it my choice. I would have it over an Impreza easy.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:55 AM   #1015
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^ i think so - it looks so much better with the bigger spoiler
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:05 AM   #1016
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It does have less "get up and go" than the Impreza, and less mpg, but the overall feel of the car makes it my choice. I would have it over an Impreza easy.
What was it about the XV you liked more? Did it ride differently? Was it the grown clearance? Seating position? I have also considered the XV to eventually replace my car, but not with the FB20 as the only option. New Forester seems to be a better option (once officially released).
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:13 AM   #1017
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I think the XV is a perfect fun commuter camping go anywhere car. I think if it as the reborn outback sport. And it has a great price.

I would buy the outback first, but this is certain to create sales. I think the forester redesign will be adequately differentiated that there will be little overlap.
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:16 AM   #1018
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What was it about the XV you liked more? Did it ride differently? Was it the grown clearance? Seating position? I have also considered the XV to eventually replace my car, but not with the FB20 as the only option. New Forester seems to be a better option (once officially released).
There isn't really a difference. It's an uglier raised impreza. Just like they used to do with the old outback legacy sedans. They are just making everything thier own car so they can say we came out with 5 new cars.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:31 PM   #1019
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There isn't really a difference. It's an prettier raised impreza. Just like they used to do with the old outback legacy sedans. They are just making everything thier own car so they can say we came out with 5 new cars.

Fixed.

Have you driven one?

It just felt different. It is NOT just a raised Impreza. To the average Joe, then yes it is, but after the training and they showed us what it different, I won't ever treat it as a "Raised Impreza".

Getting in and out of it was a huge plus over the Impreza. I love the Impreza and the way it drives, but the Crosstrek just felt better being up a little. We drove it on regular streets and not on a track, so I didn't get to drive as aggressive, but the suspension did feel stiffer(of course). It will definitely handle the offroad fine.
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:57 PM   #1020
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Fixed.

Have you driven one?

It just felt different. It is NOT just a raised Impreza. To the average Joe, then yes it is, but after the training and they showed us what it different, I won't ever treat it as a "Raised Impreza".

Getting in and out of it was a huge plus over the Impreza. I love the Impreza and the way it drives, but the Crosstrek just felt better being up a little. We drove it on regular streets and not on a track, so I didn't get to drive as aggressive, but the suspension did feel stiffer(of course). It will definitely handle the offroad fine.
Prettier? You're joking right? The wheels are ugly as hell, and the only thing good about the height is clearance if you're into that kind of thing. Yes I drove one, I pdi'd the one that came in. Nothing different to me. Everything is in your head.
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You cannot say he is wrong for saying it is pretty. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you said nobody can think this is beautiful, that would also be overstepping. You can say you hate it. But you cannot tell Justy he is wrong for liking it.
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:46 PM   #1022
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You cannot say he is wrong for saying it is pretty. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you said nobody can think this is beautiful, that would also be overstepping. You can say you hate it. But you cannot tell Justy he is wrong for liking it.
If that is the case then I can say what I want and make what comments I want. He is more then entitled to love the way the car looks. I'm sure there are plenty of people that do. When you work at a dealer and you hear everyone say man those wheels are ugly it becomes a general fact that the wheels are ugly. If most people say that at a very large subaru dealer then I'm sure that is the same basic consensus everywhere else. It's called the law of averages. Same went with the brz wheels. Everyone hated them. You ask someones opinion of the car they will say looks great just wish they picked some better wheels.
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You cannot say he is wrong for saying it is pretty. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you said nobody can think this is beautiful, that would also be overstepping. You can say you hate it. But you cannot tell Justy he is wrong for liking it.
So is he being subjective?
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:44 PM   #1024
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I hear you. What about the 2.0DIT which gets great fuel economy? Or a potential FB25 DI?
After driving mostly Subaru vehicles for the past ten years, I've had this growing feeling that Subaru isn't really proud of their turbocharged Boxers when considering them for the long-haul. I think they've narrowed it down to a control group in the WRX and STI to where they can start to figure out what works and what doesn't with all of the plumbing and such. I do not counter the Forester XT because it's been "safely" mated to an archaic automatic system.

Back in the days, Subaru seemed excited about turbocharging because it was offered on pretty much every model. Now, though, there just seems to be a lot of question marks regarding Subaru and turbocharging for extended use. Direct-injection should help clean it up a bit, but until that's built up a good reputation I'm done with turbos, personally.

Now, an FB25 with DI would be EXCELLENT in the Crosstrek, which is a vehicle I'd consider after my BRZ is paid off in about 3 years or so. If the new Forester gets it that would be really cool, too, since I really liked my 2008 Forester. That moonroof!

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After driving mostly Subaru vehicles for the past ten years, I've had this growing feeling that Subaru isn't really proud of their turbocharged Boxers when considering them for the long-haul. I think they've narrowed it down to a control group in the WRX and STI to where they can start to figure out what works and what doesn't with all of the plumbing and such. I do not counter the Forester XT because it's been "safely" mated to an archaic automatic system.

Back in the days, Subaru seemed excited about turbocharging because it was offered on pretty much every model. Now, though, there just seems to be a lot of question marks regarding Subaru and turbocharging for extended use. Direct-injection should help clean it up a bit, but until that's built up a good reputation I'm done with turbos, personally.

Now, an FB25 with DI would be EXCELLENT in the Crosstrek, which is a vehicle I'd consider after my BRZ is paid off in about 3 years or so. If the new Forester gets it that would be really cool, too, since I really liked my 2008 Forester. That moonroof!
This is an interesting argument you're making here. I wonder how true this is though because it appears that they are producing turbo models for Europe and Asia.
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