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Old 09-15-2011, 09:16 AM   #1
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Just a week after Lexus confirmed its LFA Nurburgring Edition had set a new lap record on the Green Hell, Dodge has one-upped the Japanese automaker. With a 7:12 time, the now out of production ACR’s time is a solid two seconds ahead of the $400,000 LFA supercar.
With a 32-hp advantage on the LFA, the Viper ACR’s real strong points are excessive amounts of torque and a nearly absurd spoiler that provides race car like downforce at speed.
In addition to this news, Dodge also reportedly ran a Viper ACR-X track car on the ‘Ring, lapping almost 10 seconds faster than the standard car with a 7:03 run.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:36 AM   #2
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i predict the LF-A going back but shod with the same michelin pilot sport cups as the ACR.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:36 AM   #3
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Does anyone care about a car that is not even in production anymore? Isn't the ACR a race car anyways?
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:00 AM   #4
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Nice times by the ACR. I hope they can squeeze a few more secs off the Lexus.

I know people are gonna dismiss Nurburgring times, but it's just good ol competition. Like everything in life.
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:06 AM   #5
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Yeah I agree. It doesn't MEAN anything so to speak, but who cares? It's fun to watch companies one up each other even if the tires and drivers are different each run. I enjoy watching the vids! heh.
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:16 AM   #6
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Does anyone care about a car that is not even in production anymore? Isn't the ACR a race car anyways?
Well yes. I don't care about the LFA though if it is any consolation to you
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:20 AM   #7
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I care as well, Love the ACR, very impressive car.
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:20 AM   #8
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Meh, it's all show...but...

That LFA on the same R-comps would easily surpass that time.
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:23 AM   #9
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i predict the LF-A going back but shod with the same michelin pilot sport cups as the ACR.

yea the LF-A was supposedly wearing some sort of RE070's-- I'm sure that 2 seconds wouldn't be a problem to make up with moar sticky
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Old 09-15-2011, 11:29 AM   #10
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A stripped race car beat a fully dressed luxury sports car. Go figure...
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This is what I was thinking and was hinting at in my original post.
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Some of you have no idea what your talking about... lol. Stripped car lol? First of all the ACR is actually a bit more comfortable then the regular Viper and plenty have daily driven or made a trek across the U.S. no problem. Where do you get your "race car" info, your "stripped car" info from by the way? The ACR still has a/c and navigation head unit if you want, how exactly is that stripped? And still has the Vipers excellent leather bucket seats, that are about eh most comfortable and supportive seats from any manufacturer. The ACR is a tweeked Viper, namely excellent aero mods and different suspension setup... otherwise it's the same. By the way these were still left over production cars still on the showroom that they decided to use, hence why it still qualified for "production car" runs from a major manufacturer.

Viper already kicks ass on the track, I've owned porsches and have driven GT3 and RS plenty of times, and none still have that brutal raw feel of the Viper. ACR just up's the ante more, I wouldn't say race car...it is designed as a track killer, but happens to be able to be daily driven on the street no prob,, can't exactly do that with a "stripped" out race car.

Now the ACR-X ran even a lot quicker, at 7:03 but that isn't street legal... there is your "race car".

BTW the LFA was the NBR edition that ran, which had a slight power bump, but also different suspension, and aero changes, and lighter wheels vs the regular LFA.
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Maybe not fully stripped... but it is pretty spartan.



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Some of you have no idea what your talking about... lol. Stripped car lol? First of all the ACR is actually a bit more comfortable then the regular Viper and plenty have daily driven or made a trek across the U.S. no problem. Where do you get your "race car" info, your "stripped car" info from by the way? The ACR still has a/c and navigation head unit if you want, how exactly is that stripped? And still has the Vipers excellent leather bucket seats, that are about eh most comfortable and supportive seats from any manufacturer. The ACR is a tweeked Viper, namely excellent aero mods and different suspension setup... otherwise it's the same. By the way these were still left over production cars still on the showroom that they decided to use, hence why it still qualified for "production car" runs from a major manufacturer.

Viper already kicks ass on the track, I've owned porsches and have driven GT3 and RS plenty of times, and none still have that brutal raw feel of the Viper. ACR just up's the ante more, I wouldn't say race car...it is designed as a track killer, but happens to be able to be daily driven on the street no prob,, can't exactly do that with a "stripped" out race car.

Now the ACR-X ran even a lot quicker, at 7:03 but that isn't street legal... there is your "race car".

BTW the LFA was the NBR edition that ran, which had a slight power bump, but also different suspension, and aero changes, and lighter wheels vs the regular LFA.
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Some of you have no idea what your talking about... lol. Stripped car lol? First of all the ACR is actually a bit more comfortable then the regular Viper and plenty have daily driven or made a trek across the U.S. no problem.
The ACR sounds pretty badass, it must be doing well for Dodge. 2012's must be hitting the showroom now, I wonder if I could get a deal on a 2011.
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Now the ACR-X ran even a lot quicker, at 7:03 but that isn't street legal...

The ARC that ran the 7:12 isn't street legal either. That front splitter has always been illegal on the road.
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The ACR sounds pretty badass, it must be doing well for Dodge. 2012's must be hitting the showroom now, I wonder if I could get a deal on a 2011.
Your right... b/c you know nobody makes a new gen of any car and takes a hiatus sometime. Which by the way some of us were able to see the "shape" of at an invited vca event and it will look sweet, as well as new reports of the V10 getting DI and pushing around 700hp, their def not playing games with the GEN V snake.
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Spartan how? B/c it doesn't have alacantera everywhere or look futuristic? Here's the thing we don't care about how luxurious the interior is, what matters is how functional it is (and actually though it's not all leather etc it's put together well, no rattles etc) and that is awesome in that regards to seating position, pedals (once you get used to the slight offset) and transmission. Viper is meant to be a raw brutal car, kinda like the anti-christ of sports cars. If it's price was well over 300k I'm sure they could make a more "pretty" interior. Surprisingly it's quite comfy, even more so then the ZO6 whose rear end feels skittish on uneven tracks or rough surfaces.
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Your right... b/c you know nobody makes a new gen of any car and takes a hiatus sometime.
A hiatus is fine, but don't be bragging about your 2 year old out of production car while you're on it.
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The ARC that ran the 7:12 isn't street legal either. That front splitter has always been illegal on the road.
Really. show me the law.. funny how ACR owners are daily driving it no prob, and though I have the 2nd gen ACR.. I went on a trip from FL, through GA, to North Carolina in a friends 10' ACR with no problem. Which btw we got pulled over once for "slight" speeding, and no ticket, but nothing about the "splitter" either. That little "fed" law about the splitter doesn't seem to matter, as I don't even know of any ACR owner that has been hassled over it, police etc don't seem to care. It is easily and quickly removed and reattached if you "want" to, don't know anybody that does though. So if you really want and don't want to make a mess of your diapers on the way to the track, you can take it off, and quickly put on when you get there.

The ACR is street legal... why do you think people can drive it around, drive to the track, race, drive home, drive to the office next day.. and not have a worry? ACR was marketed as street legal, if the car wasn't, Dodge would have had a massive class action law suit.

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A hiatus is fine, but don't be bragging about your 2 year old out of production car while you're on it.
So a 2yr old, "out of date" I guess, car, decimates an $$$$ hyper exotic loaded with tech gizmos... isn't impressive? May be out of production, but some are still left over and can be bought from the dealer. I understand what your saying though, no hard feelings. Always enjoy a good "critical" chat.

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I'd still take an LFA over an ACR.
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:07 PM   #21
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Really. show me the law.. funny how ACR owners are daily driving it no prob, and though I have the 2nd gen ACR.. I went on a trip from FL, through GA, to North Carolina in a friends 10' ACR with no problem. Which btw we got pulled over once for "slight" speeding, and no ticket, but nothing about the "splitter" either.

The ACR is street legal... why do you think people can drive it around, drive to the track, race, drive home, drive to the office next day.. and not have a worry?

When they sell you the car, the removable portion of the splitter is not attached because it is illegal on the street. It's called the "track extension".

That's common knowledge. Driving with it and not getting ticketed, and driving a legal car are two entirely different things. Was that actually your attempt at logic?

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t10_acr_page_3

Again, the car, without the splitter extension, is street legal. The car that was run, is not.
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Oh common guys give him a break its not like he joined the forum to defend a car no one was really bashing to begin with
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I've always liked the Viper AC-R. I'm not sure how many of us could even get on a list for the LFA, but a viper is a sports car for the not so rich. Even better that are car that had 2007 technology was super fast.
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Really. show me the law.. funny how ACR owners are daily driving it no prob, and though I have the 2nd gen ACR.. I went on a trip from FL, through GA, to North Carolina in a friends 10' ACR with no problem. Which btw we got pulled over once for "slight" speeding, and no ticket, but nothing about the "splitter" either. That little "fed" law about the splitter doesn't seem to matter, as I don't even know of any ACR owner that has been hassled over it, police etc don't seem to care. It is easily and quickly removed and reattached if you "want" to, don't know anybody that does though. So if you really want and don't want to make a mess of your diapers on the way to the track, you can take it off, and quickly put on when you get there.

The ACR is street legal... why do you think people can drive it around, drive to the track, race, drive home, drive to the office next day.. and not have a worry? ACR was marketed as street legal, if the car wasn't, Dodge would have had a massive class action law suit.
Wrong. And yes, the fact it's not street legal with the splitter on does pretty much make it a race car.

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So a 2yr old, "out of date" I guess, car, decimates an $$$$ hyper exotic loaded with tech gizmos... isn't impressive? May be out of production, but some are still left over and can be bought from the dealer. I understand what your saying though, no hard feelings. Always enjoy a good "critical" chat.
Decimates?
Two seconds is not a lot of time on a course the size of the Nurburgring. The Viper has like a 50hp advantage, weighs less, was running R-comps to the LF-A's street tires, and all it can manage is two seconds? I think it's kind of embarrassing to say that it "decimates" the LF-A.

Further, the LF-A is no "hyper exotic". It's expensive, yes, but it's not like it's a Koenigsegg/Bugatti/Zonda or something.
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I've always been a Viper fan. I love the LFA, too!

But for the amount of money you pay for the Viper, I'd much rather it for the performance. If you bumped the money into the Viper, as what the LFA costs, you'd be killing that course faster. At least that's what I think.

Anyways, not bad from either contenders. Both are great cars IMHO.
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