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Old 09-17-2011, 04:16 AM   #1
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As evidenced by the law-enforcement community’s loyalty to the Ford Crown Victoria, dynamic prowess is not a high priority for police cruisers. Neither is interior space. In fact, the Crown Victoria’s success suggests that the only things police departments look for in their cruisers are a V-8 and rear-wheel drive.

Nevertheless, in the new Chevrolet Caprice PPV (Police Patrol Vehicle), the cops are getting much more than just any old rear-drive, V-8 sedan. Basically, they’re getting a stretched Pontiac G8, with all that car’s attendant strengths. And then some. The front struts were stiffened, as was every component in the rear suspension. Talking to the Caprice’s chassis engineers, you’d think they’d been developing a track package for the defunct G8. They say they focused mostly on strengthening transient response. Their new cruiser feels planted but will happily wag its tail when properly coaxed.





Officers transitioning into this car from a Crown Victoria are in for a surprise the first time they spin the Bow Tie’s steering wheel. What is this? Effort? Feedback? Revelation? A car this planted and responsive seems like overkill for patrolling broad, flat highways, but officers and troopers in twisty locales will be praying for pursuits.

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Chevy will offer two engines in the Caprice PPV, a 3.6-liter V-6 and a 6.0-liter V-8. The six makes 301 hp and 265 lb-ft of torque, while the eight ups the count to 355 and 384, respectively. The last V-8 G8 we tested needed 5.2 seconds to get to 60 mph and 13.8 to rip through the quarter-mile; figure on the new Caprice needing a couple extra tenths, thanks to a few additional pounds. The V-6 car should need an extra second to hit the same marks. Departments hoping to put on drifting exhibitions with their cruisers will have to opt for the V-6 car, as the V-8’s stability-control system can’t be fully disabled to keep the cops in the more-powerful cars from getting in over their heads.

Interestingly, the Caprice’s price with either engine will be the same $31,495—before contract and bid pricing enter the picture to lower it, anyway. Considering that the bulk of GM’s development costs for pushrod V-8s was amortized sometime, oh, say, in the early ’70s, and that the V-6 is a modern—and recently developed—dual-overhead-cam aluminum piece with direct injection and variable valve timing, that actually makes some sense. It also leaves each department to choose more freely whether it wants the higher performance of the V-8 or the better fuel economy of the six. With the eight, the Caprice is rated at 15 mpg in the city and 24 on the highway. The V-6 car hasn’t been tested by the EPA yet, but figure on it bettering those numbers by a couple mpg in each category. (Should probably go with the sixes, fellas. Fuel costs and whatnot. And, the higher the speed in a pursuit, the greater the danger to the public.)





Both engines will be paired with six-speed automatics. Like the civilian G8, the transmission has a Sport mode that holds gears longer and downshifts under braking, but we take issue with the name for that function. Shouldn’t it be Pursuit? Or, if two Ps on the shifter surround are going to be too confusing, maybe Chase? As opposed to other police cars, which have their shifters relocated to the column—somewhat clumsily in the case of the last Dodge Charger police car we drove—the Caprice’s shifter remains on the center console, albeit offset to the driver’s side. This is done to make room for computers, but we drove a car with the computer mounted on a pedestal that lifted it above the shifter, which seemed fine. The PPV also will be offered in a “detective package” set up for stealthier duty; in this car, the shifter remains where we remember it from the G8, and even retains its manual-shift gate. (We’d be very impressed to see the in-car footage of an officer banging off manual shifts during a pursuit.)

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With other police cars, there’s a long list of what’s been changed from the civilian version; but with the Caprice, the mere existence of the car is unique to the police market: In the U.S., there simply is no civilian version. Of course, our late G8 lives on in Australia as a Holden—and in the Middle East as a Chevy—and the differences between this car and those follow the usual police-duty script: upgraded suspension components, cooling system, and brake calipers, rotors, and pads. In the police market, the testing performed by the Michigan State Police and the California Highway Patrol is referenced by departments and posts throughout the country; Chevrolet says that the Caprice’s braking performance was among the best ever recorded in California’s testing. There’s also a second battery to power all the auxiliary systems in a police car, with an isolator between it and the primary battery to make sure that the car always starts even after sitting on location with lights, computers, and cameras sucking juice.

The biggest difference between this car and that formerly known as G8 is its size. Stretched 3.7 inches between the wheels—overall length is up 8.1—the Caprice has a startling amount of space inside. We’d be happy to sit in the back seat for overnight stakeouts, the 43.1 inches of legroom nearly equaling that of a long-wheelbase BMW 7-series. That volume shrinks significantly with the perp partition fitted, the most devastating loss being the total abolition of toe room. But we’re not too upset by the discomforts forced upon those who find themselves behind the glass in a cop car. Neither is Chevrolet, apparently, as the PPV only has curtain airbags in the front seat. Pipe down, ACLU. That’s because, with the partition blocking off the front and rear seats, the regular full-length curtain can’t deploy. Based on the number of times we’ve seen baddies on TV and in the movies bonk their heads getting into the back seat—which we can only assume is an accurate depiction—an external curtain airbag might be more useful anyway.

Now that the Ford Crown Victoria is dead (Long live the queen!) and replaced by the Taurus, the rear-wheel-drive V-8 cop-car market is left exclusively to the Dodge Charger police car and the Caprice. We’ve heard a lot of cops gripe about not having enough space inside the Charger. We can’t see that complaint being very common in the Caprice, and there is no dynamic reason it shouldn’t be the go-to pick of police officers everywhere. The law-enforcement community is about to get a very effective tool.




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Old 09-17-2011, 04:43 AM   #2
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Probably what the Impala should have been in the first place.
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Old 09-17-2011, 12:11 PM   #3
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It'd look fine in civvies too, especially as it lacks Chevy's corporate grille split by body-colored panel and oversized bowtie. Let's see an unmarked one.
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Old 09-17-2011, 04:11 PM   #4
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Now everyone can get one for very cheap in a few years.
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For us car savvy guys, an unmarked one will stick out just as much as one with lights and labels all over it
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And I thought the Maryland troopers cars were intimidating as crown vics. They are going to look really scary with this car in Maryland trooper colors.
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Old 09-17-2011, 08:21 PM   #7
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They sell this car in China with leather and wood and niceties as a Buick. I want one for my limo for work!!!
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From the rear quarter shot, it looks like it will appear super dated ten years from now, like an 80's Crown Vic.
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:39 AM   #9
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And I thought the Maryland troopers cars were intimidating as crown vics. They are going to look really scary with this car in Maryland trooper colors.
i'm more worried about those white vehicles parked on the medians and shoulders
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Old 09-18-2011, 11:52 AM   #10
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Now everyone can get one for very cheap in a few years.
I would love one...but now I am of the opinion that after being retired the cars should simply be recycled. In my area they are nothing but trouble IMO...The individuals that cling to the larger B-body and Panther platform vehicles often drive them recklessly, have tint darker than they can see out of at night, use them to intimidate other drivers, pose as police officers and look at them as throw away cars.

They for some reason think they are fast because they are V8s and attempt to drive them like sports cars. You rarely see people under 40 driving one of these that hasn't been in some sort of collision that they don't plan on repairing because they don't care about the car or what they hit with them.

Most of these same drivers can't judge the size of their vehicles as well but always go after big cars, they have little experience with the dynamics of RWD vehicles in most cases as well. My first car was totalled by a driver like this in a Crown Victoria who hit my car while it was parked, they immediately abandoned their car and ran on foot.

I could definitely see myself looking for a clean Caprice PPV...I nearly purchased a 1996 Caprice 9C1 as my first vehicle back in 2001...it was a detectives vehicle so it never had a cage, it was white with a blue interior and the owner had put Impala SS wheels on it. Seller couldn't wait for my loan to come through, still wish I could have gotten that car...but again I'd rather not have the option of buying them if it keeps the roads safer.
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From the rear quarter shot, it looks like it will appear super dated ten years from now, like an 80's Crown Vic.
The tail lights are just so bland that it makes it look dated...but there are options seeing as I believe you can swap tail lights from all the other Commodore/Caprice/G8/Lumina/Park Avenue clones and maybe even the rear fascia.
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a modern bubble caprice!!!
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Just saw one of these in my town, marked but without a light bar on top. Nice to know my taxes are hard at work for the PD to buy the latest and greatest.
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Cant wait to see these on the road. ”why do you drive a cop car?”

I should tint my windows.
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Just saw one of these in my town, marked but without a light bar on top. Nice to know my taxes are hard at work for the PD to buy the latest and greatest.
Uhm, what else would they buy. You can't exactly go out and buy an unused 3 year old crown Victoria. How else do you suggest they replace cars that get miled out? Just like rental car companies, police agencies liquidate older cars because it is more economical on a fleet wide basis to buy replacement cars than it is to fix the old ones.

Seriously though. They must have known you'd be concerned which is why they cut costs by not buying the light bar.
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LEDs mounted high up on the windows does just as well nowadays. Improves fleet fuel economy too.

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I had good luck with my last police-spec Caprice ('94 9C1) so I'll probably try to pick one of these up in 5 years.
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Just saw one of these in my town, marked but without a light bar on top. Nice to know my taxes are hard at work for the PD to buy the latest and greatest.
I dont know about you but when I call 911 and need the police I'd like them to respond quickly and safely.

I dont want some old beat up Crown Vic with 100k+ miles breaking down on the side of the road when I call 911.

New equipment also motovates officers and makes for better moral.

But your right...they should have asked you first.
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Uhm, what else would they buy. You can't exactly go out and buy an unused 3 year old crown Victoria. How else do you suggest they replace cars that get miled out? Just like rental car companies, police agencies liquidate older cars because it is more economical on a fleet wide basis to buy replacement cars than it is to fix the old ones.

Seriously though. They must have known you'd be concerned which is why they cut costs by not buying the light bar.
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I dont know about you but when I call 911 and need the police I'd like them to respond quickly and safely.

I dont want some old beat up Crown Vic with 100k+ miles breaking down on the side of the road when I call 911.

New equipment also motovates officers and makes for better moral.

But your right...they should have asked you first.
Wow, who pissed in your collective cornflakes? I'm actually glad they bought them.
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Wow, who pissed in your collective cornflakes? I'm actually glad they bought them.
Apologies but your original post seemed laced with snarky anti Police sentiment. Apparently I wasn't the only one who read it that way. Sorry but I've been conditioned by other posters on this forum who are constantly poo-pooing anything police, government, regulation or financially related.
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Apologies but your original post seemed laced with snarky anti Police sentiment. Apparently I wasn't the only one who read it that way. Sorry but I've been conditioned by other posters on this forum who are constantly poo-pooing anything police, government, regulation or financially related.
Accepted, thanks. I'm really not that way at all and I don't mind seeing my taxes used to improve infrastructure. I'm also not anti-GM as I like a lot of what they're cranking out the last year or two (which I write without knowing its long-term reliability). Now that OnStar thing, maybe I can slip a tinfoil hat on for that...
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Stretched Pontiac G8? The G8 was already a big car.
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With respect to tax dollars and government spending, I do find it interesting that the vehicles police in the USA utilize are at the lower end of the mileage spectrum.
At least in my community, all the police vehicles I see are either SUV's or V8 sedans, none of which can be considered particularly economical.
This car doesn't change that situation.

Wonder how long it will be before cash strapped local governments decide to save on the fuel bills by changing over to cars that get better mileage?
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It becomes a reliability issue with 4 cylinders and 6 cylinders. To get the same performance you typically end up losing durability.

Look at the CV's. Didnt make hardly any power...something in the 220-240HP range. It was a low compression small V8. It could do 0-100-0 and spend two hours idiling afterwards and do it for over 100k miles.

At the end of the day a V6 driven in the city isnt going to get great milage just because of the nature the cars are driven.

A V8 with cylinder deactivation is about as good as you can expect I believe.
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We start getting our new fleet of cars in December, as our CVs now are tipping the 150K km scale.

We're getting a handful of custom Ford Taurus'. The non-turbo 3.5 but with the AWD system.
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