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Old 11-25-2012, 04:34 AM   #126
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The price wouldn't change since i'm still using a 12" tall core and cutting it down. I can't say if it will need a bumper beam replacement or not, we can make it however tall you want though as a custom intercooler.

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I'm running an AMR FMIC core (24x12x5) and Perrin pipes on my '08 FSXT, and there isn't any room for a bumper beam. I think a 9" tall core could coexist with a bumper beam, though.

Most STi FMIC kits should work on FSXTs with minimal modification. If you need/want to take measurements or mock-up a FSXT-specific core, I'd be glad to drop by.
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:55 PM   #127
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Sorry for bring up a dead thread, but what were the final results on the two. I am looking at a new turbo inlet, crawford AOS, ID 1000cc injectors, walbro pump, q300 and possible up pipe with 38mm EWG. Running cobb DP, Intake, and OTS map now.

I plan to keep the stock turbo...for now. BUt do plan to go 2.5XTR in the future. ETS TMIC or PW?
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:25 PM   #128
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PW is better than the ETS. If you have the money you might as well just go fmic. The only reason I went tmic with my blouch 2.5xtr when i had it was because I run spearco and meth. Even with the spearco I had heatsoak and that is with a turbo blanket wrapped headers dp heatshield etc.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:38 PM   #129
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I can't give you a comparison but I can show you the power that the ETS top mount is supporting in my XTI.

Here is a graph from my MPS LR 2.5/ HP Techs built motor, Killer B header, Dom 3.5XTR showing 93 pump gas and E85 results from the initial dyno tuning with Junior on 12/17/12. I had some chitty injectors that we swapped out since then for IDk's and we are now revving it to 8k and it's making more power on both the 93 pump gas and E85!

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Old 03-07-2013, 08:39 PM   #130
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PW is better than the ETS. If you have the money you might as well just go fmic. The only reason I went tmic with my blouch 2.5xtr when i had it was because I run spearco and meth. Even with the spearco I had heatsoak and that is with a turbo blanket wrapped headers dp heatshield etc.
Do you have any first hand experience with our TMIC? You make it sound like a fact. Just wondering if you have data to back that statement up? Our intercooler has more charge rows in the same given area with more heat transfer plates and a staggered fin pack that is similar to the Garrett design but allows more airflow through the intercooler. Nothing against PW. They make great products as well.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:04 PM   #131
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PW is better than the ETS. If you have the money you might as well just go fmic. The only reason I went tmic with my blouch 2.5xtr when i had it was because I run spearco and meth. Even with the spearco I had heatsoak and that is with a turbo blanket wrapped headers dp heatshield etc.
Let's see a dyno graph of your Spearco, 2.5xtr build with meth. Personally I think you are talking out of your azz!! How do you know the PW and Spearco are better than the ETS?

My graphs above are without a turbo blanket but a stock heat shield and with the IAT sensor a bit too close to the turbo and it picked up more heat from it's location than it should have during the 4th gear pulls. I've now moved the IAT under and directly in front of the throttle body and have a heat sleeve over it. I also added a turbo blanket and will most likely add a down pipe blanket soon. These graph will read lower than the next set I will publish!

I also used it on my last VF48, stock motor build and made 360 WHP and 440 WTQ on E85 and 320/ 350 on pump gas the same day, in 90+ degree weather!

Bottom line is the ETS TMIC is an excellent intercooler, it works very well.

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Old 03-07-2013, 09:07 PM   #132
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I can't give you a comparison but I can show you the power that the ETS top mount is supporting in my XTI.

Here is a graph showing 93 pump gas and E85 results from the initial dyno tuning with Junioor on 12/17/12. I had some chitty injectors that we swapped out since then for IDk's and we are now revving it to 8k and it's making more power on both the 93 pump gas and E85!
Thanks for posting this up. May we use this graph?

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Old 03-07-2013, 09:41 PM   #133
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Sure, but you may want to wait just a bit. I just sent you a PM let me know what you think.
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:54 AM   #134
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PW is better than the ETS. If you have the money you might as well just go fmic. The only reason I went tmic with my blouch 2.5xtr when i had it was because I run spearco and meth. Even with the spearco I had heatsoak and that is with a turbo blanket wrapped headers dp heatshield etc.
ive sold my PW tmic, it didnt perform any better than stock STI intercooler and now replaced it with a ETS one, which looks like a better core, im also running a dom2.5xtr but in twinscroll, mine is being mapped in a few weeks.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:47 AM   #135
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Sorry for bring up a dead thread, but what were the final results on the two. I am looking at a new turbo inlet, crawford AOS, ID 1000cc injectors, walbro pump, q300 and possible up pipe with 38mm EWG. Running cobb DP, Intake, and OTS map now.

I plan to keep the stock turbo...for now. BUt do plan to go 2.5XTR in the future. ETS TMIC or PW?
I'd go with the ETS TMIC and install EL headers, more specifically Killer B headers and a 44mm EWG not the 38.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:30 AM   #136
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Manitou,
have you seen any heat soak on the car with the 3.5 at 523WHP?
I know on the dyno it may be a possibility but have you driven the car on a 90+* day?

I am running a spearco core now and made 520WHP but was not speed density tuned so my IAT wasnt installed in the IC so I have no idea what sort of outlet temps I have been seeing.

E85 is a wonderful thing for cooling charge as well.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:35 AM   #137
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jnorth85, I have not had this build in the summer weather yet. Just completed the build in November, initial tune Dec. 17th, some new Id1k's and tweaks to the build and a very good touch up tuning session with Junior today! The TMIC has limited flow on the dyno so all the pulls were done in 3rd on my long ratio 07 box. We made 460/400 on pump and 562/490 on E85 today and maxed out the injectors.

Well see how she does in the heat but it flows very well and does a good job cooling the charge on the road!

I'd personally move the IAT to the IC in front of the throttle body or in the intake like the PCV inlet spot below the TB and give your ECU some real temps to use. I would do this even with the MAF tune. You should think about going SD on your tune!
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thats awesome you were able to push the 1K's that far!
I just completed my motor build over the winter (pistons, rods, crank, heads, valves cams bla bla bla)

I will be tuning on speed density as soon as its up and running.

I made 521WHP on 26 Psi and will be tuning for 30Psi on the new motor.

My IAT sensor is mounted right by the throttle body for the SD set-up


I also switched to an APS cold air style Air intake and got away from the hot air style.

I am very curious to see if these large top mounts will hold up to nearly 600whp on E85.

can anyone tell if the ETS is lower profile than my Spearco?
I have hood clearance issues with this core, if the ETS has less height above the throttle body it may be worthwhile to switch over.

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jnorth85, I have not had this build in the summer weather yet. Just completed the build in November, initial tune Dec. 17th, some new Id1k's and tweaks to the build and a very good touch up tuning session with Junior today! The TMIC has limited flow on the dyno so all the pulls were done in 3rd on my long ratio 07 box. We made 460/400 on pump and 562/490 on E85 today and maxed out the injectors.

Well see how she does in the heat but it flows very well and does a good job cooling the charge on the road!

I'd personally move the IAT to the IC in front of the throttle body or in the intake like the PCV inlet spot below the TB and give your ECU some real temps to use. I would do this even with the MAF tune. You should think about going SD on your tune!
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thats awesome you were able to push the 1K's that far!
I just completed my motor build over the winter (pistons, rods, crank, heads, valves cams bla bla bla)

I will be tuning on speed density as soon as its up and running.

I made 521WHP on 26 Psi and will be tuning for 30Psi on the new motor.

My IAT sensor is mounted right by the throttle body for the SD set-up

I also switched to an APS cold air style Air intake and got away from the hot air style.

I am very curious to see if these large top mounts will hold up to nearly 600whp on E85.

can anyone tell if the ETS is lower profile than my Spearco?
I have hood clearance issues with this core, if the ETS has less height above the throttle body it may be worthwhile to switch over.
Yeah that's it for the ID1ks and my base is as high as we will take it at 55 psi with my rewired Walbro 465. I also have Perrin rails and Aeromotive 1000 FPR. I don't think we can get any more out of them with my build.

We just made a 3" custom short ram intake from Vibrant parts, no MAF, velocity stack and filter, super simple and $50 in parts. It barely fits in my custom Cobb cold air box.

Sounds like your build is well thought out! What's your fueling system, injectors pump, rails etc...?

I'll tell you what I'll measure my ETS and post up dimensions here but from the looks of it I think it will sit lower than your Spearco.
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Yeah that's it for the ID1ks and my base is as high as we will take it at 55 psi with my rewired Walbro 465. I also have Perrin rails and Aeromotive 1000 FPR. I don't think we can get any more out of them with my build.

We just made a 3" custom short ram intake from Vibrant parts, no MAF, velocity stack and filter, super simple and $50 in parts. It barely fits in my custom Cobb cold air box.

Sounds like your build is well thought out! What's your fueling system, injectors pump, rails etc...?

I'll tell you what I'll measure my ETS and post up dimensions here but from the looks of it I think it will sit lower than your Spearco.
That would be AWESOME thank you for that!!!

I am running a fuelab Prodigy 1300hp pump (brush-less DC motor built in PWM controller) -8 SS hard feed line -6 SS hard return line, Aeromotive top feed rails, Denso 1400CC injectors Fuelab electronic fuel regulator (with feed back to the PWM controller)

My fuel system is massive over kill and could support 1khp on E85


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Old 03-12-2013, 11:33 AM   #141
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That would be AWESOME thank you for that!!!

I am running a fuelab Prodigy 1300hp pump (brush-less DC motor built in PWM controller) -8 SS hard feed line -6 SS hard return line, Aeromotive top feed rails, Denso 1400CC injectors Fuelab electronic fuel regulator (with feed back to the PWM controller)

My fuel system is massive over kill and could support 1khp on E85
Yeah, wow with that fuel supply you're good to go for whatever! Who's injectors are you using, 1400's?

I like your x brace. I've got a Whiteline quick release rear strut bar and I'm designing an x brace QR to work with it on my XTI!
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Yeah, wow with that fuel supply you're good to go for whatever! Who's injectors are you using, 1400's?

I like your x brace. I've got a Whiteline quick release rear strut bar and I'm designing an x brace QR to work with it on my XTI!
They are Five O injectors, so far they seem to work okay, I really wish I could run some Bosch EV14's but 2k's were too big on the Stock ECU and 1K's just aren't enough. Im still hoping we will see some other options in the future so I can run the EV14 Injectors.

To be on topic of the thread, I appreciate you grabbing those dim's if they IC fits in my application better I will drop the Spearco and eat the additional cost to get the ETS

Your XTi is pretty awesome, I hope to see it in person this summer!
do you have a build thread?
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They are Five O injectors, so far they seem to work okay, I really wish I could run some Bosch EV14's but 2k's were too big on the Stock ECU and 1K's just aren't enough. Im still hoping we will see some other options in the future so I can run the EV14 Injectors.

To be on topic of the thread, I appreciate you grabbing those dim's if they IC fits in my application better I will drop the Spearco and eat the additional cost to get the ETS

Your XTi is pretty awesome, I hope to see it in person this summer!
do you have a build thread?
I know there is a big gap right now with the Bosch EV14's, 1ks and nothing until 2ks. ID is bring some 1300's to market this spring/ summer. I may go down that road when they are out. The IDs are awesome injectors!

I have to do a few things with the XTI today so I will get those #s. I'll tell you the fit of the ETS is superb!! I did the FXT front cross member spacer delete when I swapped in my 07 STI driveline. This gave me perfect STI DL alignment and my motor sits higher in the engine compartment than a stock Forester. I have the 02-03 STI JDM hood scoop and splitter and the fit is damn near perfect!

Thanks for your kind words! It's been a labor of love for sure! No build thread yet but it's on my to do list so hopefully it'll be up soon!

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I know there is a big gap right now with the Bosch EV14's, 1ks and nothing until 2ks. ID is bring some 1300's to market this spring/ summer. I may go down that road when they are out. The IDs are awesome injectors!

I have to do a few things with the XTI today so I will get those #s. I'll tell you the fit of the ETS is superb!! I did the FXT front cross member spacer delete when I swapped in my 07 STI driveline. This gave me perfect STI DL alignment and my motor sits higher in the engine compartment than a stock Forester. I have the 02-03 STI JDM good scoop and splitter and the fit is damn near perfect!

Thanks for your kind words! It's been a labor of love for sure! No build thread yet but it's on my to do list so hopefully it'll be up soon!
Looking forward to reading up on your build!
you can check mine out here.
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that sounds like a great combo getting everything to fit!
everything fits pretty well in my car but the Intercooler rubs on the hood slightly in the top corners.

from the sounds of it the ETS is slightly larger than the Spearco with both flow capacity and cooling capacity, if it also fits better its a no brainier for me to switch over to it.
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I also have an ETS and I will also say that the fitment is excellent, the IC is also very very well built, definitely money well spent.
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Thanks guys!

Manitou - We will be in touch!

Thanks!!

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Manitou - We will be in touch!

Thanks!!

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No worries Michael! When you make good stuff and stand behind it it speaks for itself!!

I'm very happy with the performance of your top mount and it is proving to support pretty big power for me! It performed well for my VF build last year through the heat of summer. I'm anxious to see how it does with my new bigger power build this summer. I have graphs to send you from Junior's tuning session yesterday. We got another 30+WHP in both fuels yesterday from the 12/17 session with minor tweaks. To summarize 460/400 on pump and 560/490 on e85, pretty much ran out of injector!! LOL

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ive sold my PW tmic, it didnt perform any better than stock STI intercooler and now replaced it with a ETS one, which looks like a better core, im also running a dom2.5xtr but in twinscroll, mine is being mapped in a few weeks.
Pretty much contradicts everything out their comparing the stock intercooler to the PW.
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Pretty much contradicts everything out their comparing the stock intercooler to the PW.
Not to discount what mike stated but I'd have a hard time believing that the PW is less efficient than the stock STI TMIC. Subaru does a pretty damn good job with there stuff'
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Not to discount what mike stated but I'd have a hard time believing that the PW is less efficient than the stock STI TMIC. Subaru does a pretty damn good job with there stuff'
Not to mention the STi intercooler is crimped, which has been shown to fail/leak over time at high boost. Typically the PW outperforms at higher boost and won't leak do to crimps.
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