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Old 09-25-2011, 04:58 PM   #1
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Default Meguiar's Gold Class Wax over Wolfgang Sealant

I did a full detail today and made a mistake that I found out only after completing my full detail. I did a wash, clay then put on wolfgang sealant. Immediately after I placed on Wofgang gold class wax. I found out late that you need to wait 12 hours for the wolfgang sealant to work before placing wax. So, what should i do? Is the sealant or wax going to hold? Should i do another detail next weekend?
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:11 PM   #2
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It will hold just fine. The 12 hour cure time on Wolfgangs DGPS is recommend but not exactly needed. I've topped it within a few hours and not had a single problem.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:35 PM   #3
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thanks bro...but i put it on immmediately, no wait unfortunately
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:37 PM   #4
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By immediately, do you mean you applied the sealant and didn't let it haze or dry, and then put on a wax? Or did you let it haze/dry and then wipe it off and then apply the wax?

If you didn't let the sealant haze/dry, and wiped it off right away.. then you will need to re-apply as it didn't do anything.

If you let it haze/dry and then you wiped it off, then applied a wax.. you are in the clear and no worries.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:48 AM   #5
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sealant curing time is mostly recommended so the sealant bonds well to the paint, in addition it makes it easier to bond with other products. but you be fine
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:07 PM   #6
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Personally, I would err on the side of caution and allow the product to properly cure as per the manufacturer’s directions in the future. While you may not have any issues in regard to application/removal of the wax you are applying over the sealant (or even consecutive coats of itself), there may be other affects that can compromise the base product and change its characteristics (i.e. longevity, durability, etc.). There is also the possibility of actually removing some of the underlying product depending on the traits of the wax that is being applied over it (i.e. carrier solvents can erode away some of the sealant, light abrasives or cleaners if the wax contains them, etc.). …..and with a product that is not fully cured, it may be even more susceptible.

IMO/IME, I simply haven’t found much use for “topping” LSP’s (aside from maintenance/touch-ups down the road). I prefer to choose a product with most (if not all) of the characteristics I want for a particular application and then stick with that. ….that’s just personal opinion however.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:43 PM   #7
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hmm, ive always done the same "mistake"....the wolfgang product doesnt state in the directions that you must wait for it to cure. Then again, it may be seen as a common sense thing. I am curious how one would go about resealing the car in say 2 months? Just wash the car, then apply sealant over paint? or would you have to strip the existing sealant using a clay bar?
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:59 PM   #8
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hmm, ive always done the same "mistake"....the wolfgang product doesnt state in the directions that you must wait for it to cure.
http://www.wolfgangcarcare.com/wg5500.html

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This product is moisture-sensitive. In order to achieve a slick, durable finish, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 must cure for at least 12 hours before being exposed to moisture. Do not apply sealant before dusk because dew will interfere with the adhesion to the paint. Park your vehicle in a garage or under a shelter while it is curing, if possible.
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* If you like the layered look, first lay down a coat of Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0. After it cures, apply a coat of Wolfgang Füzion Estate Wax to enjoy the benefits of both carnauba wax and polymers.




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I am curious how one would go about resealing the car in say 2 months? Just wash the car, then apply sealant over paint? or would you have to strip the existing sealant using a clay bar?
….simply use the clay if necessary/desired (i.e. the finish has contamination you want to remove). It’s not required but after 6 months you’ll likely have “stuff” on there you’ll want to remove. Assuming you don’t want to do any correction you can go straight to your sealant.
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Old 09-26-2011, 06:11 PM   #9
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do all sealants need a cure time? I use Collonite 845 as a sealant and final gloss wax, I never thought to put another wax on top of it...
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Old 09-26-2011, 06:38 PM   #10
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do all sealants need a cure time?
….I wouldn’t say “all do” but many will typically need some period of time before they reach the point of where you might say they are fully cured. Also, characteristics between products vary as do the recommendations of the manufacturers, so results can vary. …..couple that with whatever individual factors you might have in your own scenario (temperature, humidity, technique, etc.) and those can also affect the way the product performs. When in doubt, I always suggest (in most cases) to simply follow the product directions.
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Old 09-28-2011, 01:02 AM   #11
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No one mentioned humidity and Woflgang's. They recommend to do this before dusk to minimize humidity. We been havin some very humid days in NJ. I about to try this stuff for the first time. I will be using Meguiar's Tech Wax 2.0 also.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:26 AM   #12
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No one mentioned humidity and Woflgang's. They recommend to do this before dusk to minimize humidity.
....I though I did already.

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This product is moisture-sensitive. In order to achieve a slick, durable finish, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 must cure for at least 12 hours before being exposed to moisture. Do not apply sealant before dusk because dew will interfere with the adhesion to the paint. Park your vehicle in a garage or under a shelter while it is curing, if possible.
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* If you like the layered look, first lay down a coat of Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0. After it cures, apply a coat of Wolfgang Füzion Estate Wax to enjoy the benefits of both carnauba wax and polymers.
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:46 PM   #13
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Sorry about that Kean.

Unfortunately, we did both of our cars today and dint get done until about 7pm. It is now 10:45 and the roof and trunk are covered in moisture. : (

Does anyone think that another coat tomorrow (after dusting the cars off) would be beneficial? Or will another coat not work in the same way that a single coat on top of bare paint does? We only got about 3 hours of curing time.
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Unfortunately, we did both of our cars today and dint get done until about 7pm. It is now 10:45 and the roof and trunk are covered in moisture. : (

Does anyone think that another coat tomorrow (after dusting the cars off) would be beneficial? Or will another coat not work in the same way that a single coat on top of bare paint does? We only got about 3 hours of curing time.
Are you talking about Wolfgang DGPS (is that what you applied)? Also, were you planning to use NXT over it? I'm a little confused by your other post.

If you used DGPS, it's certainly possible the moisture it was exposed to may compromise some off its characteristics (including durability). ....it's anyone's guess though. If you want to add a second coat to ensure adequate coverage and/or to see how it goes, I would wait for a couple of reasons.... Since the car was wet within a couple of hours of application, the previous layer will not have had a chance to fully cure (assuming it even will at this point). Also, since the car was outside, wet and exposed to dirt/dust, I wouldn't "wax" the car unless it was freshly cleaned again.

....as far as the NXT, I would pick one or the other (not both). I see no point/benefit in mixing the two.
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:22 PM   #15
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Yes Wolfgang's Paint Sealant. I'm pretty bummed about about the situation. I am pretty sure most of the protective qualities will be gone in a few washes.

Should I do another coat after my next wash or will I need to strip the old stuff off which was one of the other guys' questions above.

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Would a spray wax after next wash be beneficial?
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:08 PM   #16
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Yes Wolfgang's Paint Sealant. I'm pretty bummed about about the situation. I am pretty sure most of the protective qualities will be gone in a few washes.

Should I do another coat after my next wash or will I need to strip the old stuff off which was one of the other guys' questions above.

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Would a spray wax after next wash be beneficial?
....personally? If I were in your shoes I might be tempted to strip it and start over but another side of me would probably just try a second coat after a few days (after the next wash) and see how that goes.

As far as spray waxes, you can certainly use one and IMO/IME they do tend to help by adding additional protection and added "pop" between applications of your wax/sealant. Something like Duragloss Aquawax can also be great for use during drying. ....adding lubricity between the paint and your towel.
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:25 AM   #17
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....personally? If I were in your shoes I might be tempted to strip it and start over but another side of me would probably just try a second coat after a few days (after the next wash) and see how that goes.

As far as spray waxes, you can certainly use one and IMO/IME they do tend to help by adding additional protection and added "pop" between applications of your wax/sealant. Something like Duragloss Aquawax can also be great for use during drying. ....adding lubricity between the paint and your towel.
Yeah its a tough situation. Sucks not having a driveway and garage. We did this an under office bldg parking hoping the cops wouldnt kick us out.

I think i'll use the quick wax until I can do it over.

I never felt all the little bumps like I did on this car. I know that I now need to use clay. The cleaner wax only helped slightly. I might just have to start over and wash, clay, and then the wolfgangs in the upcoming weeks before the cold NJ winter.
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