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Old 10-06-2011, 12:00 AM   #51
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looks like the ford focus and ford fiesta had an inbred child
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now it just looks like every other sedan out there. :/
All cars have similarities. I like the new design and so will a lot of new car buyers. Good thing we can all voice our opinions on this forum.
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:03 AM   #52
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Coming from owning both an 05 RS and now an 08 2.5i, I would buy this car just the same. Considering I saw about 28city -33 highway mpg in both of my aforementioned cars in manual(including some spirited driving), I'm excited to see what I will get out of the new engine.

I buy subaru for it's core competency- an economical, awd, fun car to drive, with utility...I can't find this anywhere else at this price point, period. And low and behold they nailed this segment again. If it's too economical for you, subaru makes a turbo model...actually a few turbo models, so quit bashing this car based on a performance based car's standards. I for one am excited to see the new wrx/sti in the new design. However I think the 2011 5-door sti's are near perfect in my taste, so I will miss those.

Looks are never going to be perfect since we don't design our own car, thats why they make aftermarket wheels, tinting, suspension, lips, spoilers, CF parts etc. Having said that I don't mind that it blends in a little more, its not a bad design to start with.

The only downside is there are going to be more subaru's on the road, being a less common car was a point of pride for me.

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Old 10-06-2011, 08:54 AM   #53
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I agree with DexteRS. I sold my 02 WRX wagon due to fuel prices. I could afford the gas, I just got tired of the low fuel miles and 93 oct gas. 99% of eco loving, tree hugging, artist types are not buying the STI/WRX.

I modify every car I own, AKA like my 01 Forester dropped 8in's and rolling 18in blackout wheels and custom paint with a full Yakima rack. Most anyone I know drives cars because they are A to B and who cares if it produces 300hp.

Mom and Dad wants little Billy and Sally to get to school and swim practice safely. And with AWD, great gas mileage and it to top 300,000 miles with only regular oil changes.

After all that the new Impreza looks like the Ford Focus. I won't buy it but Subaru really doesn't care if I buy it or not. Because a lot of regular citizens will.
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:54 AM   #54
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In the video the driver says: "You have two good gears, first, and second." Hence why I bought my new 2011 Impreza, because it's the last model with an aluminum intake manifold, a 5 speed that actually accelerates in more than the first two gears, and retains the higher hp.

On another note, I parked next to a white BMW 3 series the other day, and realized the body lines on my car are stolen straight from that vehicle. The owner came out and kinda smiled, thinking what I was thinking.

The 2012 won't have that problem looking like a BMW 3 though, it actually looks just like a Mazda instead, I just wonder who the heck is coming up with these very unoriginal designs - they need to be fired and replaced.

Subaru used to be a unique brand in the styling dept, now it's all just to please the masses. Granted at the end of the day, the CEO is about the bottom line - no more niche market crap for us enthusiasts over at NASIOC. No sir, that's what used cars are for.

I couldn't bring myself to purchase the new STI because my 06 was so great, the new one wasn't what I wanted so I bought the Impreza - to hold me over until the 2013/2014 STI. That is, if the car is even still being produced at that time.

At the rate they are watering down all the cars, Outback having no turbo model, (since there is no legacy GT wagon to choose from) and almost eliminating the manual transmissions in favor of the CVT for careless commuters, one of the drivers comments in the video is very true.

"The new Subaru is for a different kind of buyer, not the enthusiast but the people looking at the numbers."

36 mpg, room for 5, AWD, sounds great.. if you don't even change your own oil. That is the kinda person who is going to snap up the new Subaru.

Which by the way is ironic, because they FINALLY got a perfect oil filter placement, right at the top, upside down so oil doesn't pour all over the place... genius.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:34 AM   #55
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At the rate they are watering down all the cars.
The 2011 WRX says otherwise.
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:32 PM   #56
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About the 2012 Impreza, I like it, not horrible looking, good gas saver, better than civic with AWD.....

But with the reduction in performance of the impreza for higher MPG, now rises the questions whether Subaru will increase or decrease their power or WRX adn STi models.

I honestly think that Subaru WRX's and Sti's are too big of a profit that subaru won't get rid of them (Like Mitsu. did with the EVO).

Although Subaru will have to put some major flares on the WRX STi if they plan to use that 2012 exterior.....
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:48 PM   #57
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I think the sedan looks better than the current (08-11) sedan, but I don't care for the new hatch/wagon.
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:44 PM   #58
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I love it. And I don't care how little horse power they put in it, I'll still pass dumb ****ers like it's nobodies business. Seriously, do you guys really stand by loosing mpg for the ability to pass people with ease? Hell there really isn't a situation where you need to pass really fast. Now I know people get all agro and ignorant road rage style and want to pass but that's lame.
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Old 10-09-2011, 07:30 PM   #59
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Seriously Subaru? WTF?
I'll never, ever, ever purchase a new Subaru at this point unless they come out with a decent hybrid of some sort.
The cars have been getting visually shafted since the 2010 lineup. They look like Toyotas. If I wanted a Toyota or a Mazda, I would have bought one. I wanted a Subaru because they were unique and had styling of their own but now they look like every other car on the road. They might as well be made by GM if you ask me.
As far as the argument about losing MPG for fun, I think there's A LOT more that can be done to increase hp/mpg both at the same time but it's a matter of whether Subaru wants to do the engineering.
The Impreza looks like ass but if it were powered by hydrogen electric I might think about it.
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:45 AM   #60
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148hp 145ft/lbs?


What a joke. Even at 2900lbs, its going to be dangerously slow merging into traffic on the highway.


Way to fail Subaru. The only way they could get decent MPG was to MASSIVELY underpower the car.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:23 AM   #61
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As for buying a NEW subaru, I doubt I ever will again. I just demand too much from a horsepower standpoint, and Subie motors are incapable of doing it without a big investment. If I have to build the motor anyway, and will be doing suspension and brake work, I may as well buy a car with a ton of miles and save the money. I would either go GC chassis or an 04 STI.


*note* That statement MAY change once the RWD car comes out. If its not heavy, and is available in a turbo version, it should have decent potential. Wheelspin will keep transmissions from breaking as easily, and without AWD, it wont take as much power to go as fast anywhere over about 25mph. Plus, the 2.5L turbo motors can do up to around 375-390hp (crank) completely reliably, which would yeild a mid 12 sec car on decent tires (drag radials).

And for the flatbill drifter brotatos, I think it will be wildly popular.
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:16 AM   #62
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Box This...i wouldnt say the oil filter on top is genius...but it is an improvement over the "ring of fire" oil filter design, haha. ive prolly changed a hundred of these new subaru oil filters located on the top of the engine, and about half of them still loose all their oil when spinning it off. even worse, it doesnt drain back into the engine, so it just sits there filled all the way to the brim, some even overflow past the sidewall. it is supposed to have a special anti-drain back oil filter to keep the oil in there, but it looks identical to the older H6 oil filters. so i think that could be a problem...part numbers are like 031 and 130 also...so that doesnt help. the engine also takes 0w20 synthetic oil only, which the car salesman do not tell u about ($80 oil changes). plus it takes 5.75 quarts of oil (this is the 2011 forester im talking about). i havent done any oil changes on the 2012 imprezas yet, but we do have one in and i must say it is very ugly with weird mirrors attached to the doors themselves.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:02 AM   #63
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The 2012 Subaru Imprezas are coming to Sewell Subaru!!! Come by TOMORROW, Tuesday October 11th from 4-7 pm for a sneak peek. We'll have both the 4 & 5 door Imprezas. Come by to check it out and enjoy some delicious treats. We're located at 7800 Lemmon Ave. Dallas, TX 75209. Call us with any questions. 214.902.6000 or e mail me. mkoleychik@sewell.com
Hope to see everyone here!

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Old 10-10-2011, 01:54 PM   #64
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Well, obviously it's going to get good gas mileage if you strip it down like that. And on top of that, the Ford Focus is an awesome economy car, so if you can copy it then you've got a good product.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:43 PM   #65
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no amount of fender flare or ground hugging bumper can fix that. friggin fugly, i would rather buy a turbo suzuki or kia
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:41 AM   #66
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I'm beginning to think Subaru needs to just fire all their body design staff and start with fresh ideas.

The '08 style front fascia is a bit funky. It lacks the niche appeal of the '02, the balls of the '04, and the personality of the '06. It's like the '06's cheery cousin. However, even the '08 can be loved... this thing looks like a civic and a camry had a baby and beat it with a boring stick.

I understand that this is the fuel-economy impreza, and that's nice to have. But, the WRX and STI versions better look downright pissed off driving down the road. The fenders better have the signature flares (with sharper edges to match the grille) and an edgier '08esk hood scoop (which would look somewhat like a stealth fighter, I think). Hell, they might as well pay prodrive for royalties and have them design one that looks similar to the Prodrive P2. If there's anything that people complain about in reviews it's understeer and lackluster body styling. We can fix understeer with a few simple mods, but styling is 90% up to subaru.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:47 AM   #67
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I don't like playing the "it looks like" game, since realistically it's an economy, mass-market car and will inevitably look like something else. That said, however, yes there's merit to originality - Hyundai is a prime example. Their Elantra is very sharp, and the Sonata hardly looks like a cheap car. I agree that Subaru could stand to add some visual appeal here and there, but my opinion is that the 2012 Impreza is a step in the right direction.

Yes, the front resembles the Gen4 2005-2009 Legacy - not a bad thing, if you ask me. The rest of the car has a relatively Civic-like silhouette, but it's very friendly and appealing overall. Arguably, of course.

I'd like take one for a test drive. I think moving to the new 2.0 and bumping up fuel economy THAT much was a wise move, namely for the economical driver. If I were to buy an economical, new small car, that would probably be my top choice. The older base Imprezas were always an odd-man-out, mostly because the fuel mileage was slightly below par, and they had little else to offer, other than a hatch/wagon version (not unique anymore, with the resurgence of hatchbacks), and AWD (which not all buyers care about). So Subaru really needed to up the ante on mileage.

Of course I'm anxious to see the new WRX and STi, but I really think this Impreza will win its fair share of awards and praise, and deservedly so. Douthit probably has a good point about the long gears in the new 5MT, but in the effort to achieve fuel economy above all else, I'm sure that was a conscious choice for Subaru.
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i wonder what the wrx and sti looks.

I doubt it will look good.
unless its a totally different body style
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:19 PM   #69
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:00 AM   #70
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What a joke. Even at 2900lbs, its going to be dangerously slow merging into traffic on the highway.


Way to fail Subaru. The only way they could get decent MPG was to MASSIVELY underpower the car.
My friend gave me an 86 civic SI 5 speed. It had something like 46 +/- hp. NOW THAT THING was dangerous to try and merge onto a highway with, haha.
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I don't like playing the "it looks like" game, since realistically it's an economy, mass-market car and will inevitably look like something else. That said, however, yes there's merit to originality - Hyundai is a prime example. Their Elantra is very sharp, and the Sonata hardly looks like a cheap car. I agree that Subaru could stand to add some visual appeal here and there, but my opinion is that the 2012 Impreza is a step in the right direction.

Yes, the front resembles the Gen4 2005-2009 Legacy - not a bad thing, if you ask me. The rest of the car has a relatively Civic-like silhouette, but it's very friendly and appealing overall. Arguably, of course.

I'd like take one for a test drive. I think moving to the new 2.0 and bumping up fuel economy THAT much was a wise move, namely for the economical driver. If I were to buy an economical, new small car, that would probably be my top choice. The older base Imprezas were always an odd-man-out, mostly because the fuel mileage was slightly below par, and they had little else to offer, other than a hatch/wagon version (not unique anymore, with the resurgence of hatchbacks), and AWD (which not all buyers care about). So Subaru really needed to up the ante on mileage.

Of course I'm anxious to see the new WRX and STi, but I really think this Impreza will win its fair share of awards and praise, and deservedly so. Douthit probably has a good point about the long gears in the new 5MT, but in the effort to achieve fuel economy above all else, I'm sure that was a conscious choice for Subaru.
+1. However, I wonder if the styling of the new Elantra will endure and pass the test of time. I would rather have a more conservative style that is still nice to look at after several years vs one that gets out of fashion quickly. Of course, it would be nice to have a distinctive styling that could become a classic. IMO that of the 2007 Impreza 2.5i is not far from it.

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Old 10-12-2011, 02:02 PM   #72
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NASIOC is a bad place to advertise this car. Nobody here will really be able to appreciate it. This just isnt the market for it. If and when the WRX/STI versions are released I'm sure Subaru will come through for us. Don't confuse this version with a WRX. For me, driving a Subaru is much more than whats on the outside. If it was about looks, I would have NEVER bought my bugeye and I would have never let my wife by a Baja. This car should be roughly the same power to weight ratio as the current 2.5i, there fore there should be no issues with it being (relatievly) underpowered.

Now my baja at 3,500 lbs and 165hp is underpowered! But u know what....I learned to adapt and I know its limits.
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Really why does everyone think subaru used to be unique? My 95 impreza looks like a camry of the same era. If it was unique it wouldnt be liked because of that. The SVX is a good example. The rear windows are often ridiculed because they look goofy as no other car had window like that. Get over the looks because 95+% of the time you are behind the wheel and dont even see the car's exterior.


I think a 2L with active cams wont be bad on power. I drove my impreza for a few years with a 1.8 before I swapped it. That was a turd. It ran a 18 flat in the quarter. If you have a CVT that can keep the 2L in peak torque power shouldnt be a big issue for the market this new impreza is going after. If you get this car and want more power I am sure the aftermarket will be there for support if the demand warrants the volume.
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The 2011 WRX says otherwise.
The last hope for anything exciting out of Subaru. I guess I snatch up a Spec.B and a 2011 STi in two years used for a good price and tell my children tales of a once "cool" car company that assimilated into the typical Japanese bar of soap with high wheel arches.

You know you should make a review for the enthusiasts and really express how much FAIL Subaru as a whole is becoming, as it pertains to us.

*Thinks of Perrin's former boosted H6 STi
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:24 PM   #75
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148hp 145ft/lbs?


What a joke. Even at 2900lbs, its going to be dangerously slow merging into traffic on the highway.


Way to fail Subaru. The only way they could get decent MPG was to MASSIVELY underpower the car.
Are you a poor driver? If you can't drive a 148hp car that weighs 2900 pounds safely, than you're certainly an unskilled driver... I can easily drive a 3389 pound Outback with 170hp (worse power to weight ratio than a 2012 Impreza), and merge into highway traffic. Obviously, it doesn't accelerate as quickly as my STI did, however, this is where driver judgment comes into play. If you need the power to weight ratio that a WRX offers to drive safely, you're deficient, not the car.

I think many people here are caught up in the concept that Subaru should manufacture high performance cars, and high performance cars only. They still are going to make the WRX for people who want that, they are also making a more fuel efficient Impreza for people who want that. Quite frankly, if you look at this objectively, rather than with a very narrow view (power only) you would realize that the majority of their customers, current or potential, would prefer a car that got 7city/10hwy MPG more over one that had 22 more horsepower. Especially if it offers similar performance to the outgoing model with more room at a similar price.
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