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Old 10-08-2011, 12:54 AM   #1
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Question BG Outback springs, are they actually taller than regular Legacy springs?

(Cross-posted from the Outback section.)

This seems like a dumb question, but hours of Googling and scanning backwards through various Subaru Outback, Legacy and suspension forums didn't give me a definitive answer. I have a '97 Legacy Outback. I know the struts are OB specific and my impression is that the additional height of the Outback comes from the struts and bigger tires. Did the OB actually have taller springs, anybody know for sure?

I would like to lower mine maybe 2" but keep my 215/60-16 tires, which I am pretty certain will rub in back on shorter Legacy struts. Is it as simple as putting say Legacy GT springs on new OB KYBs? Please, no discussions on why anybody would want to lower an Outback. Mine never leaves the road, certainly nothing worse than a rough dirt road, so no need for the height. I have had it since new and I'm ready to give it a new personality.

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Old 10-08-2011, 12:14 PM   #2
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Yes, you can lower the Outback with Legacy springs. It's actually more common than you think. My only uncertainty is whether or not the top hats are the same between OB and GT springs.

Member Sybir is very familiar with what you want to do so I would contact him. Here's his car.

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Old 10-08-2011, 01:31 PM   #3
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Yes it has a 1" lift over stock legacy. Gt is like. 50" lower than stock legacy.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:18 PM   #4
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I don't think there were any differences in the Tophats throughout the BD/BG/BK chassis.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:56 PM   #5
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I don't think there were any differences in the Tophats throughout the BD/BG/BK chassis.
I assumed there wasn't but I didn't want to tell him otherwise.
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:34 PM   #6
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Hi there. Are you sure about this? I know the Outback specific struts put the springs at least an inch higher and the OB tires are quite a bit taller as well. I am not sure the springs are actually taller. The GT uses the same strut as any other Legacy, so the springs must be a bit shorter. Thanks, Doug

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Yes it has a 1" lift over stock legacy. Gt is like. 50" lower than stock legacy.
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:35 PM   #7
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Thanks I actually remembered him from years ago and shot him a PM. He has only ever used coilovers on his BG and isn't really sure about lowering and keeping the bigger tires. Doug

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Yes, you can lower the Outback with Legacy springs. It's actually more common than you think. My only uncertainty is whether or not the top hats are the same between OB and GT springs.

Member Sybir is very familiar with what you want to do so I would contact him. Here's his car.

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Old 10-08-2011, 10:01 PM   #8
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I think you will get more info on sl-i.net
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:32 AM   #9
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Interestingly enough, I have never really checked that place out... Doug

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Old 10-09-2011, 01:22 PM   #10
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if your planning to lower the vehicle, the OB springs have more retention on the spring. If I recall OB struts are much taller than the Legacy GT struts or WRX struts too. If your keeping the same tire of the OB and wanting to lower, you might want to look at Legacy GT wagon struts and also WRX wagon struts since they are specific to wagon applications. I ran WRX sedan struts on my old BG wagon and had some sag in the rear which I offset with Paranoid fab spacers.
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:28 PM   #11
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Thanks for responding. The OB struts are definitely taller and allow the bigger tires. I don't think there is a big difference in the spring heights, but there may be some. Regular Legacy struts will definitely not clear the tires in back, but it appears that some of the newer WRX/STi struts might clear. Here, I am specifically wondering if I can get an inch plus of drop using springs from some other Subaru on OB struts. Doug

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if your planning to lower the vehicle, the OB springs have more retention on the spring. If I recall OB struts are much taller than the Legacy GT struts or WRX struts too. If your keeping the same tire of the OB and wanting to lower, you might want to look at Legacy GT wagon struts and also WRX wagon struts since they are specific to wagon applications. I ran WRX sedan struts on my old BG wagon and had some sag in the rear which I offset with Paranoid fab spacers.
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Thanks for responding. The OB struts are definitely taller and allow the bigger tires. I don't think there is a big difference in the spring heights, but there may be some. Regular Legacy struts will definitely not clear the tires in back, but it appears that some of the newer WRX/STi struts might clear. Here, I am specifically wondering if I can get an inch plus of drop using springs from some other Subaru on OB struts. Doug
If you use STi springs or even GT wagon springs, you should get the drop you need. Just remember that when you load the car, you will scrape. I had that issue when I had the OB loaded and forgot I was running that suspension...many funny moments when the tailpipe scraped on driveways. Also looking into H/R springs or Eibachs may give you a more aggressive drop.
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FYI- Tophats are the same on the BG/BK chassis as the GD- so you can use WRX (NON WAGON) tophats if you want- I had GD Cusco rear Camber plates on my 97GT, as well as GC fronts, all on BC Coilovers designed for a GD- 8k/6k. Ride was amazing, plus since I was lowered, having the rear camber plates made it much easier to get the camber settings correct in the rear. GF Wagons have different rear tophats.

The struts for all the GC/GD/BD/BG/BK are all the same length other than Outback from what I understand also.


You can Also run GD front camber plates, but they will be slanted a few degrees- which is great because when you kick them out for extra camber, you also gain a bit of caster.
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