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Old 08-05-2002, 02:52 AM   #1
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Question Ideas for Cheap, Dirt, with snow capability, back up set of tires?

Ironically, my mom wants me to get a set of back up tires/wheels for my car for dirt/offroad and snow capabilities We have a family cabin up in the sierras that my 17"s with khumo 712's just wont get to very easily in the winter... And I'd like to try some rally crosses with my car albiet not with these wheels and tires...

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anyone know what tire I could get for say, less than 200 for all 4 that can work decent in the snow and rally-cross as well? (or am I asking too much here, LMAO!)

Oh, and if anyone wants to sell me a set of 15" outback/legacy/forester alloy's (or would I have to go with steelies?) that can clear RS brakes for say $100-150 give me a buzz
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Old 08-05-2002, 02:57 AM   #2
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Oh, and I have to drive on interstate 80 for an hour to get to the cabin... And I believe studs are illegal in california...
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Old 08-05-2002, 02:19 PM   #3
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Old 08-05-2002, 02:27 PM   #4
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Dirt and snow are two different animals. But it sounds like you can only pick one set of tires, so Id go with a decent speed-rated snow tire.
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Old 08-05-2002, 06:23 PM   #5
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Actually I looked this up on the dmv site a while back.

You can drive studded tires in California for certain months. I believe that they are legal between November and March, maybe even april. However if you have ever driven studded tires, you'll know why you don't wan't them unless you have to drive on snow every day.
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Old 08-05-2002, 06:46 PM   #6
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Just a side note, if you get snow tires or even rain tires make sure to stick to the SAME width as stock. Otherwise your attempts to increase contact area will decrease traction. This is most true on water.
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Old 08-05-2002, 07:25 PM   #7
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I'm surprised no one said this yet, but how about... RE92s? They are dirt-cheap on the board, and are semi-decent on dirt/snow.

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Old 08-05-2002, 10:09 PM   #8
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Kostamojen,

Buy any old winter tire..... any winter tire will do for rallycross..... but if you do plan to do rallycrosses..... put tubes in them cause last year, we had 2 guys on winters tires/steel rim (combo) that the tire unbeaded from the rim...

soft sidewalls in hard aggressive cornering = lot of flexing in the tire.... If you install tubes, it will minimize the risk of unbeading the tire from the rim...

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Old 08-05-2002, 10:37 PM   #9
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Default Pirelli Snows

I've got a set of Pirrelli Snow Sport and they're great. The car is invincible in the snow and it performs well on dirt. Tubes are an excellent idea as Snow tires usually have softer side walls than all seasons and summers.

I got a set of VW steel rims that have a 10 mm wider track (bigger offset, or is it smaller offset?) and it gives the car a nice stance. They're 1/2" skinnier than stock (which is good) but the wider stance makes the car dart around a bit - not a big deal. This was recommended to me by a rally team.
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Old 08-06-2002, 12:11 AM   #10
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VWs have the same bolt pattern? I thouht they were 5x112?
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Old 08-06-2002, 12:39 AM   #11
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I agree with the Cooper Weathermasters.

I have a set on my spare Legacy alloy 15" rims that I used last winter - great on snow dirt or dry.

I am actually thinking of selling them since I now have 4 pot brakes on my car and don't want to switch back every winter.

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Old 08-06-2002, 01:44 AM   #12
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Seems like the weathermasters are the best choice... Too bad I cant get any of those off-road truck tires though

How much are tubes btw? Expensive to install or no?

The weathermasters are not studded, correct?
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Old 08-06-2002, 08:48 AM   #13
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VWs have the same bolt pattern? I thouht they were 5x112?
I'm not sure... The shop told me they were and they fit fine. I could find out if anyone is interested.
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Old 08-06-2002, 07:53 PM   #14
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I had VW wheels on my car for a track day, and the offset is wrong - the 205x50x15 BFG R1 race tires rubbed badly in the rear with bumps on the track.
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Old 08-07-2002, 04:08 AM   #15
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So... are the weathermasters studded? I cant tell from what they say on the site... sounds like it just has the pineholes for studs or something
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Old 08-08-2002, 12:16 AM   #16
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Old 08-08-2002, 01:49 AM   #18
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I know you said you wanted cheap but... I highly recommend any Nokian snow tire and especially the Hakkapeliita NRW. The NRW has a harder compound so you can drive on them year round if you want. They are unbelievable in snow and ice and also work great in dirt. They are pricey though (about $100/tire).

BTW, I've seen at least one local guy with the Cooper Weathermasters at a local rally-x and he liked them for the price. I found the Hakka's weren't too much expensive though. Good luck.
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I have to resurrect this thread since I'm currently looking for some dirt-cheap winters...

Roughly how much should I expect to pay for a set of these Cooper Weather-Master winter tires in 205/55R16 ?

I see they offer THREE different Weather-Masters in this size:
S/T 2 (studdable)
SiO2 (silica compound)
S/T (basic, non-directional)
XGR (hard-particle additive like Green-Diamonds)

I'm guessing the S/T is the cheapest followed by the S/T 2, XGR, and SiO2....

a little help?
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Old 01-22-2003, 12:32 AM   #20
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Haha, im looking into the largest tires i can get on the 16" stock 2002 wheels w/o rubbing I REALLY wans 245/70/16...but I dont think thats gonna fit (but would look REALLY cool)

Im thinking 225/65(or 70)/16 will fit, and i really want a 4x4 or truck tire with a high treadwear rating and good rain/snow/gravel traction.
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Old 01-22-2003, 12:54 AM   #21
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Originally posted by Suba_Roo
Actually I looked this up on the dmv site a while back.

You can drive studded tires in California for certain months. I believe that they are legal between November and March, maybe even april. However if you have ever driven studded tires, you'll know why you don't wan't them unless you have to drive on snow every day.
because they make really cool sparks when you drift around corners
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If you don't want to spend alot of money just find a set of RE-92s
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Old 01-22-2003, 07:38 AM   #22
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I know you hate to hear this from me...again...but these RE92's have done stellar around here in the snow. Haven't been stopped yet, on any steep hill in the snow and slush. I'm bailing out on the slick ice though. $25 each on the board.

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Old 01-22-2003, 08:27 AM   #23
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call a cooper dealer. if you lived up here in ma i could get you a set cheap...my dad is a mechanic at a cooper dealer. in the 15" size i can't imagine them being a whole bunch more than your $200 price target. i've never bought their snow tires but last year i bought some all seasons for my old outback (lifeliner ste) and paid a hair over $60/tire for them (installed). coopers are a good value tire.

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Old 01-22-2003, 08:28 AM   #24
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regarding the RE92: they are decent in snow, but not great. the other thing is that they wear really quickly. bald tires do not make good snow tires.
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so how much $$ are these Cooper Weather-Masters in 205/55R16?
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