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Old 08-05-2002, 04:12 PM   #1
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Question Mod suspension or AutoX in DS?

Hello all,

Here's my dilemma: I have an 02 WRX wagon and some suspension bits waiting to be installed (sedan rear sway bar, Prodrive springs, and rims/tires). I REALLY want to put these things on. But I want to try AutoXing once or twice this year and I don't want to start out in an advanced class. Should I put off installing my suspension stuff until I've tried autoxing so I can start out in a stock class? Does it matter what class I'm in if I'm just doing it for fun and don't care about being too competitive?

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Old 08-05-2002, 04:28 PM   #2
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Welcome to the sport!
Unless you like making enemies quickly, I'd advise against modding the car and running in Stock. I'd say try one event stock, then for the second event install the mods and run in STX (or equivalent in your Region). Street Touring X is a class designed for cars like yours with mild mods (suspension, rims, tires, exhaust).

If you haven't AutoX'ed before, you shouldn't expect to win if your class is a decent size (unless they're ALL rookies!). Have fun & feel free to ask questions!
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Old 08-05-2002, 05:16 PM   #3
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Thanks!

That's what I figured. I guess I'll hold off putting my stuff on until after the next autox. I'll look into that STX class in my area and see what the deal is... Thanks for the quick reply!

And you're right, I have very little expectations as far as winning! I just want to throw my car around and learn how to drive!

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Old 08-05-2002, 05:34 PM   #4
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I wouldn't say that stx is a more "advanced" class than DS. It should be a bit faster, but not any more advanced. Your car will be easier to drive on the aftermarket springs and the other tires will most likely make it a more fun experience. The drivers in STX are as a whole no better than DS. In fact, the opposite may be true. Just have fun.
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Old 08-05-2002, 08:18 PM   #5
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The drivers in STX are as a whole no better than DS. In fact, the opposite may be true. Just have fun.
I agree with this 100%. I recommend running in DS for one major reason, learning how the car handles. Plain and simple if you go out there and run on the RE92's you'll learn so much more about the car than if you throw everything on & head to the track. I ran my first 3-4 events (including a Divisional) on the RE92's and NO mods. I'm so glad I did, now when I make a change, I have a better understanding if it worked in a positive/negative way.
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Old 08-05-2002, 09:08 PM   #6
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Okay, I think I got it. I do want to see what my car can do from the get-go, so I'll probably leave it stock, but it's good to know that I can put my mods on and not worry about embarassing myself in STX.

Thanks for your input guys! Too bad neither of you is in Cali!

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Old 08-05-2002, 11:14 PM   #7
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SCCA "stock" classes are not stock- if a region is competitive, you need to have konis and R-rated race tires (NOT RE-92s) just to have a chance. I have found that running in ST classes (STS in my case) is a lot more affordable and the level of competition is the same. Plus, I can put on suspension goodies and I don't have to change tires.

YMMV, of course.
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Old 08-05-2002, 11:39 PM   #8
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Ahh but the WRX goes into STX....

To be "seriously competitive" in each class:

DS: R-tires on extra rims (Hoosier/Kumho), Adjustable shocks, catback exhaust, panel filter, brake pads + fluid

STX: All of the above (less R-tires + rims (substitute near-R-Tires (Azenis, etc)) PLUS stiffer springs / coilovers, pillow-ball mounts / strut-tops/camber-kit, swaybars (F+R), high flow intake, uppipe, downpipe, catback exhaust, highflow cat, brake pads, pistons, calipers, ECU

Sounds like DS is cheaper to me!

Now, local competition likely won't require all of this to do well... but realize that STX is definitely the more $$$ option. Although the car is definitely going to be more fun driven on the street that way! STX classes are pretty weak right now, in the sense that few cars are prepared to the limit. However, this _WILL_ change given time.

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Old 08-06-2002, 02:52 AM   #9
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Put all your parts on, take it to a good allignment shop. have them squeek as much front end - camber as poss.(no adj.) but they can get you a little. Then get out to McClellan A/Port or Mather and run the thing. I will almost guarantee you, that you will probably be dissapointed. But you will know what areas you have to work on.
Let me know if you want to run up here in Sacto, and I can meet you, show you what I have done and we can compare notes.
I just run in a class that I know is over my head, and that way I dont piss off the competative guys. Next year I will be a little more aware of what class to run in, and be competative. I have been running in DSP, and having a ball!!
I will let you know when the next A/X is scheduled, and maybe we can meet. I had a great time yesterday up at Boreal with the Reno SCCA. Great A/X and BBQ.
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STX! STX! STX!

It is a brand new class, so even though you are a beginner you will be much more competitive in STX than in the well developed DS class.
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Old 08-06-2002, 01:38 PM   #11
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but realize that STX is definitely the more $$$ option
Maybe in startup cost, but definately not in long term cost. Hoosiers are crazy expensive, and dont last very long.
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Old 08-06-2002, 04:11 PM   #12
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Cool

Well, it sounds like there's good arguments on both sides. Either way, I'd like to go to the next Sacto SCCA autox and meet some of you guys (JerryC?) and maybe you can show me the ropes. Isn't there one on the 17th/18th of this month at McClellan? I can't make it the 17th, but I can go on the 18th. If I don't get my mods on by then, I'll run in DS, I suppose.

Oh, would a short shifter and debadging take me out of DS? I read the FAQ on classes and it mentioned debadging, but I'm not sure. That sounds really silly.

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Old 08-06-2002, 04:53 PM   #13
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FYI, neither the WRX nor the Talon listed in someone's signature above are DSP-legal cars. The 2.5RS is, while the WRX goes to ESP to play with Ponycars for the most part.

As STX develops more, you'll soon find that you need a really well-sorted car (like the STS cars now) and REALLY good drivers (also like STS is now) and that whichever class you run... you need to drive REALLY well to keep up with National-level folk, and it's way too darn expensive

BTW, the debadging should be legal under comfort/convenience, but the short-shifter is technically not Stock-class legal. It is not an allowed performance enhancement in Stock.
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Old 08-07-2002, 01:23 AM   #14
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I guess I have been pissing off the guys in DSP. I thought that the lower the letter designation the faster the cars. My error, but the the SCCA rep. at the sign in, said I would be ok in DSP.
Here are my Mods., maybe you can give me a clarification, as to what class to run?
Front and Rear Whiteline Sway Bars. Rear adjustable. r/Camber Bolts.
K/Boy rear Drop Links
17" Rota Wheels
Yokahama Street Tires
K&N Drop in Filter. Intake Silencer removed.
TXS HP Manual Boost Controller (can disconnect before running)
Planning on Turbo-Back 3" with High Flow Cat. also Vishnu Up Pipe. (very soon)
I have run 6 events in DSP, and now feel like a real Dunce.
Thanks for any advise you can offer.
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Lose the MBC and play in STX or get some serious tires and run in SM
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You know in a way it really doesn't matter what class DS/STX. In a number of regions if you look at the results the top DS car is faster or as fast as the fastest car in the STX class. What this tells me, and I think everyone would agree is that the most bang for your upgrade dollars is the "nut behind the wheel" (what an old tired cliche, but it is so true).

At our last auto-x we had exactly that happen, look at the results in this PDF. The top DS time was 74.694, and the top STX was 76.268. So for me it is like what Cone Masher said, STX is the more money option to be competitive. But in the long run, the best way to get better times, is not to worry about the class, and just put what you want on the car. Then spend time and money on improving the driver.
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Lose the MBC and play in STX or get some serious tires and run in SM
Everything JerryC has, except the MBC, is Street Prepared legal. The WRX is classed in ESP with the Mitsu/Eagle Talon twins along with the Camaros and Mustangs who think "4-pot" is the # of cylinders in your engine... .
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THANKS TO ALL !!!
It sounds like STX or ESP is the class I should have been running.
My apoligies to anyone in DSP that I ran against!
Just to clarify, are the exhaust mods going to put me out of either STX or ESP? I will pull the MBC, although I LOVE it!!

Hey Chris I will be there on the 18th, hope to see you there. The blind leading the blind. I usually dont run until the afternoon. Arrival, usually around 11:00 am
Thanks Again to all who responded!!
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Hey Jerry

That'd be cool. Glad you got everything straight. Should be fun.

Chris

PS Thanks again, everyone, for posting!
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If you are still interested in DS you should know that the original STI short throw shifter is legal. Also don't waste your money on Hoosiers. They are a great tire, but the WRX suspension cannot use them as designed.
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Thanks for the info, Subdued. I have a Rev-lab shifter though. Oh well! Thanks anyway.
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Hi Chris;
Just for your info., Competition Sports Car Club (Sacto) is holding a two day A/X at McClellan AFB. today and tommorrow. I might go tomm., it depends on how many Honey-do's I get done today. You might want to put thier add. in your favorites. www.csccautox.org/ They also are putting on a season ending event that sounds like a lot of fun. No run groups, run allday, work for one hour. Check out thier site. Maybe we should try to get as many Subies from No.Cal (rookies and expierienced alike),to attend the season final. NO PRESSURE, Just FUN RUNS.
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