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Old 10-05-2012, 11:05 PM   #26
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I have to give it another try. Watched about 30 minutes of the movie and gave up on it a while ago.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:26 PM   #27
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I have to give it another try. Watched about 30 minutes of the movie and gave up on it a while ago.
It's not meant to be exciting, it's supposed to be engrossing.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:43 PM   #28
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It was pretty gross the first time i watched it, yea.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:46 PM   #29
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:59 PM   #30
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Well then I'll be on my way and let you smarties have your thread.
















































































































your movie sucks
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Old 10-07-2012, 12:52 AM   #31
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I see why you were so excited about The Expendables.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:53 PM   #32
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Phenomenal movie. Loved "Le Mer" in the final scene. I didnt know 70's British intelligence was so homosexual, it seemed like everyone had a "young boy" or a "cute sailor".
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:09 PM   #33
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Great book, bad movie. Sure, the novel you can sit through for endless hours, but the movie tortures you with a plot of Machiavellian twists only your gf or aunt could top.
For realsies!

Watched this in the theater and then tried to watch it at home a few months later to see if I could fully untangle the plot.

I'm not a stupid man. I like complicated twists and turns. This was a very hard film to follow. I got the broader plot points easily enough, but beyond that I was lost. It didn't help that the film jumped around in time without making it very clear they were doing so.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:14 PM   #34
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For realsies!

Watched this in the theater and then tried to watch it at home a few months later to see if I could fully untangle the plot.

I'm not a stupid man. I like complicated twists and turns. This was a very hard film to follow. I got the broader plot points easily enough, but beyond that I was lost. It didn't help that the film jumped around in time without making it very clear they were doing so.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:17 PM   #35
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I loved the movie. It was a serious effort to follow though. The time jumps totally ****ed my **** up. But we complain endlessly about stupid, simplistic, contrived plots here in OT, so I am happy to watch a good movie with a seriously twisty plot, that doesn't go out of its way to connect the dots for you.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:18 PM   #36
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I loved the movie. It was a serious effort to follow though. The time jumps totally ****ed my **** up. But we complain endlessly about stupid, simplistic, contrived plots here in OT, so I am happy to watch a good movie with a seriously twisty plot, that doesn't go out of its way to connect the dots for you.
Really, I'd LIKE the plot if it had been possible to follow what was happening. But it wasn't. So the cool twists are ruined by me going "wait, what? When was this?"
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:20 PM   #37
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Meh, I don't think it is necessary for a movie's plot to be entirely discernible to the last detail after one watching for that movie to be great. See Primer, for example. I was able to follow enough of TTTS to fill in the parts I missed as I went along. Just because it was a hard movie to follow doesn't make it bad.

Of course I have not read the book. Perhaps I missed a TON of plot, because it was cut out of the movie entirely, and that's what you're reacting to.

To be honest, the crazily twisted plot almost wasn't even the point. It was the structure the movie hangfs on of course, but the characters, sets, acting, and all the rest of that crap is what made it an awesome movie. They could have hung all that on a simplistic, easy to follow plot, and the movie would probably have been a great, simple spy movie, instead of a great, complicated spy movie. I know which type I'd prefer.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:24 PM   #38
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Meh, I don't think it is necessary for a movie's plot to be entirely discernible to the last detail after one watching for that movie to be great. See Primer, for example. I was able to follow enough of TTTS to fill in the parts I missed as I went along. Just because it was a hard movie to follow doesn't make it bad.

Of course I have not read the book. Perhaps I missed a TON of plot, because it was cut out of the movie entirely, and that's what you're reacting to.

To be honest, the crazily twisted plot almost wasn't even the point. It was the structure the movie hangfs on of course, but the characters, sets, acting, and all the rest of that crap is what made it an awesome movie. They could have hung all that on a simplistic, easy to follow plot, and the movie would probably have been a great, simple spy movie, instead of a great, complicated spy movie. I know which type I'd prefer.
Primer was great, but the POINT was trying to untangle the mess of time travel.

TTSS isn't about time travel. I don't need EVERY detail, but really whole chunks of it just became confusing.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:25 PM   #39
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but it's a crazily complex cold war spy story! the individual characters were often operating without a clear picture of the whole thing, and I don't think it's terrible that the audience was put in the same position. the POINT is that it's crazily complex!


Of curse everyone is welcome to their opinion. I just think that given how much we bemoan oversimplification, when we see a great movie that is perhaps overly complicated, we should take that as a blessing instead of a curse
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:32 PM   #40
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but it's a crazily complex cold war spy story! the individual characters were often operating without a clear picture of the whole thing, and I don't think it's terrible that the audience was put in the same position. the POINT is that it's crazily complex!


Of curse everyone is welcome to their opinion. I just think that given how much we bemoan oversimplification, when we see a great movie that is perhaps overly complicated, we should take that as a blessing instead of a curse

It's not that complex, it's just that the story is told in a fashion that is anything but straightforward.
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:16 PM   #41
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Saw this for the third time and I finally saw and got everything I think. I just don't think its possible to fully understand the story in one sitting.

Awesome movie now that I have a handle on it. Loved the cast and the cinematography. The twists weren't completely ridiculous, rather they were quite believable.

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The few things that I couldn't grasp until the third viewing:

-Hayden went after Smiley's wife as part of his "job", not because he's an *******.
-The significance of Roy Bland singing the song in the stairway that was played in the background of the phone call from Guillam's "mechanic"
-Hayden was being traded, rather than executed.
-Control died shortly after being forced out, and was forced out because of Prideaux being shot, not for questioning witchcraft.
-Guillam was Ricky Tarr's boss.
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