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Old 10-22-2011, 08:26 PM   #1
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Default Need some help about identifying parts(Ej22t, built engine, vf39)

For some background, I am looking at purchasing a 1st gen legacy with a built EJ22t swapped in along with other miscellaneous parts. Since the person selling the car does not have receipts for work and parts, (did the work their self) I am looking for some tips to make sure I am buying what he has stated.

1. Does the EJ22t have ej22t stamped below the alternator? Or how do i identify the block?

2. He stated it has forged piston, upgraded rods, and has had the heads ported. The pistons should make a slapping sounds at start up when the cold right? But is there any quick ways to tell about the heads and rods?

3.The engine is bored 30 over, is that max for a ej22t?

3.The turbo is a VF39, what and where is the identifier on these turbos?

4.He stated currently he is running a rrfpr and has the knock sensor on the transmission. I know this is not optimal but is this a common and effective way to manage boost?

Thank you for your time and opinions?
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:38 PM   #2
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The block codes should be stamped on the top of the block just forward of the tranny mating seam Below the intercooler. as far as internals go unless he has receipts or pictures of the build there's no way to be 100% certain of anything. You can look at the seam for the case halves and see if it looks like it has been split recently and if the edges of the halves look like have been decked at a machine shop but again that will all be a judgement call on your part. I'm not sure what you are trying to say by rrfpr. But if you are referring to some sort of fuel pressure regulator then no it will have nothing to do with managing boost. As far as knock goes if the motor was built properly the stock knock sensors should work fine in stock locations. However sometimes you WILL get false knock signal when running forged internals that is just one of the bi products of them. It sounds to me like your about to buy something that you will regret putting money into. As a guy who has made this mistake before you only real advice I can give you is if you do not know the guy well and or know the guys at whatever shop he used for the building/ machine work then stay away from the car. I know it probably sounds like a awesome car but with no receipts no pics and no shop vouching for any of the parts or work it will probably end up being a nightmare of a headache for you.
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:48 PM   #3
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The ej22t has EJ22 on the block marking near the alternator. It doesn't say ej22t there. The vin plate from the car it came from will say ej22t, but that's about it.

As for the internals, 04stinugget is right, there's no way to know what it has for internals unless you see them.

No idea about the extent of boring a block can take. I'm sure they are "out there" if you look for it.

The turbo will have "IHI Turbo" cast into the housing, for identification, you can read the engraved area and it will has VF39 printed on that area.

A rrfpr (rising rate fuel pressure regulator) is a way to add fuel to an add on turbo kit, but it's far from the ideal solution for fuel management.

The stock knock sensor on the ej22t is on the drivers side of the block near the case parting line, under the throttle body area. Mounted on the transmission would seem too far away to be effective.

First gen turbo legacy's are fun. I've got one that I've been working on too. So I know the situation of not having receipts for the work done, since I do my own work too. If he built the block and all that himself, see if he's got any pictures of the process. That's common practice for most do-it-yourselfers. You can probably see pictures of shiny pistons and a nice machined block. Also, see if he's had an account on NASIOC or on any other car enthusiast forum (legacy central) and check out his posts or build thread.

What are you gonna be paying for it?
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Old 10-23-2011, 12:51 PM   #4
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Thanks for the info. $1500 for the car. The body and interior pretty beat but my eventual plan is to swap it into early Impreza. Its just nice to find a ej22t were the body is trashed so i donít fell bad about destroying the car . After talking to him more he really seems to know his stuff about subies. I guess I am going to take a look at and see what pictures he has, he says he has a ton so hopefully that includes the engine build.
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Old 10-23-2011, 10:46 PM   #5
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it will say turbo on the time timing belt cover on the front
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Old 10-23-2011, 11:14 PM   #6
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Checked out the car and it was a complete turd, the guy lied about pretty much everything. No vf39, no rrfpr, the block looked disgusting and I doubt its ever been opened. All I know is i would never by a "built" engine when the person spends 1000 on internals but does not replace the valve cover gaskets.. Any ways thanks for the information hopefully i can find a nice EJ22t with some of the turbo goodies in nice shape for a swap.
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Old 10-24-2011, 03:43 PM   #7
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Was it a turbo car though? Did it run? You could low-ball him a little and still come out of it with a good donor car for your impreza swap. Sucks that he possibly lied about all of it. I can understand just walking away from someone like that. Keep in mind that these cars are 20 years old now, so the oil leaks, grease and caked on dirt is a common thing. Good luck with your search.
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Old 10-24-2011, 04:53 PM   #8
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It was a turbo block in a NA car. I understand the age and wear, I have no problems with that. I work on a lot of older subies but that car has really been beat. The car even had a small fire after we drove it (tons of oil on exhaust) and It felt like it was getting hot although the temp gauge stayed oddly low . I am considering low balling him for the engine, turbo cross member, exhaust up to the down pipe, the spare DOHC ej25 engine, turbo legacy brakes, and wheels. That's really all I want but I am going to give it a couple days and think about it. I am pretty pissed he would waste most of my Sunday and $100 in gas, food, and ATM fees. The engine did stat fine and it had no knocks or ticking but itís been really neglected and may need to be torn down. I am worried itís been beat and overheated constantly. The guy was running as much boost as the vf11 would pump, spiking at 15-20 PSI with it hitting fuel cut way, way, too much. Do you think the block could have been ruined by overheating? I really want a ej22t to start the build from
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Old 10-24-2011, 10:17 PM   #9
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Wow, that poor car. I would be hesitant too. It's hard to walk away from something you've been looking for, but it sounds like that car has had a rough life. That being said, if the parts you are looking for are there, and you get the car for a good deal, then you come out ahead.

My motor was filthy when I swapped it. I took a long time cleaning things when I got ready to put it in my car. After it's all said and done, I'm 100% happy with it.

Here's a link to mine if you wanted to see my build journal: http://www.fairbanksforum.com/phpbb3...t=7056&start=0
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:15 AM   #10
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EJ22T block can be identified against EJ22E (n/a) since it has ribbons on the block housing between the knock sensor and the starter motor. It also has hatchings around the oil pressure sensor whereas the n/a engine is smooth in these areas. The turbo block also has an extra crank case breather pipe on the passenger side of the block near the waterpipe.
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Old 10-25-2011, 02:13 AM   #11
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I just checked the EJ22T that I have in my basement waiting to be built up, and it doesn't say "Turbo" on the timing belt cover. The guy I got it from said it was from a 94 legacy. This is just my two cents. I don't think that it needs to say turbo on the cover.

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