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Old 12-14-2012, 09:36 AM   #76
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My personal experience with Raceland Coilovers is good. I hAve a 02 wrx sedan, Stock suspension was "okay" but i didnt have that confident feeling with taking turns. A couple months back I lost control on a turn from my tire popping and went into a gate.. After that, my suspension was shot and felt scary to take a little turn, (maybe it was just in my head from the accident) I had 17x7.5 rotas with 225/45s. After my accident I said screw it, my rims were bent, wobbly, and tires we dry rotted, let's start suspension mods. I got new rims (xxr 527 18x8.75 +35 225/45), then I bought whiteline swaybars 22mm front and 22mm rear. I installed the swaybars and noticed an INCREDIBLE feeling, I had some more confidence in taking turns. So, i come across I want Coilovers instead of lowering springs, my friend who has a 95 jetta has them installed, he said he loves them. I came across Raceland in the Import Tuner magazine and I said oh no **** this is the brand John was talking about. So I'm doin research and talking to my friend and he said there good, inexpensive, and they go low. I get them in the mail. Install them, and took em for a ride. Feels great. Front is a little low (forgot measurement) and rear was lowered a little also (forgot measurement). 2, 3 days ago I raised the rear to 6 inches, so when I have passengers It doesn't rub. Felt great, no more rub and felt better over bumps. Soft but stiff at the same time. I took it yesterday on the backroads of my old high school (and also 1 hour ago this morning again lol) and was taking turns at like 40 (in boost, stock turbo) and it just felt awesome. I'm even thinking about stiffening up my swaybars. Anyways. I suggest Raceland coils. My friend wants coils and he says I might get BC because I might autocross it and the only bad review he heard on them was ^ this guy 240. People can bash and say "why didn't you just spend the extra $400 or whatever and buy blah blah blah instead. Like dude, people are on a budget and if u can get something good for an inexpensive price then yea go for it man. I suggest these Coilovers, and I'm even gonna convince my friend with the Sti to get them. People tell me, oh well for $500 they can't be that good. Well for $500 I'm daily driving and taking turns and handling pretty good, and maybe I'll autocross it a couple times. Do what u wanna do, like another guy said, if they break, it's HIS money, and HIS problem, and I agree with him. That's my experience with them. Hope i can help
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:44 AM   #77
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I have learned a few things from reading this thread.
Mainly, that Psychoreo is an ******* to people who disagree with his opinion and also hates Racelands with more passion than the Pope loves Jesus. Funny, since hes never owned them that Im aware of.

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There's lots of things you can save money on. But components critical to the safe operation of a vehicle are not one of them.
So you have Volk wheels then? Certainly hope you dont have Rota, XXR, Sparco, or any of the other SEVERAL wheel companies that dont cost $2000 a set.

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I have never.
Not once.
Ever.
Seen another strut shaft fail like that.
From any other manufacturer.
Ever.
If the replacement was one strut, of course they would send you another. How about if he was actually moving and caused damage to his or someone else's vehicle?
Well, now you have Drama Queen.

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This is plain ignorance or denial or whatever you want to call it. A strut shaft breaks, putting your life in danger and others as well and that doesn't sway you away from them? How much cheaper can these critical parts of your vehicle go before it makes sense to buy quality parts? Imagine if the shaft broke while going 70 mph during a turn a the same side of the broken shaft...what do you think is going to happen?
Imagine that, oh I dont know, ANYTHING breaks on your car at 70 MPH other than the radio or your rear view mirror falls off. What if you cut a tire, brake line ruptures, wheel bearing seizes up, wheel studs break! Better still, what if the oil pan bolt comes out and you lock up your engine at 70 MPH and on top of that there is OIL on the road for other drivers to slip on OMFG!
There are a million and a half things that COULD go wrong on the highway. Stop being so dramatic. Besides, is there a "buyers guide to coilovers" published somewhere? Is it written by kenliu84? If not, who decides what "quality" is? Just cause I think 90's Ford cars are pieces of **** doesnt mean that someone else (a lot of people) think they are "quality" cars.


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Then go ahead and buy them. No one's stopping you.
I did. I loved them, more on that in a min...

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This would satisfy my concern for safety / quality right here. I know that some may want to go low for cheap, but this actually concerns me. Save the extra money, and get some BC's.
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Let's not get all mixed up here and try to talk in the general sense of ' what ifs'. Fact is, a raceland coilover damper shaft broke. This is not a common issue among quality dampers. It is great Raceland has good customer service but I wouldn't weigh that more than the safety risks. I am amazed at how much denial and defense people are putting up with this. My point is made here and in my previous posts.
Um... care to explain how this "quality" coilover broke in half then?


Or this one?


Or this one?



BTW, this one ^^^ Is Tein. A company I would agree makes "quality" coilovers. Oops... Guess theres that bad egg again.

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That being said, how many critical failures do you have to see before you realize that these parts are junk?

Perfect storm or not, a strut should NEVER fail like that. Ever. Not once.
Um. Ya, I think I covered that.

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I haven't seen additional failures from this product.

I have also NEVER seen any failure like that on ANY other product.

I'm not going to argue with you. You want to cheap out on suspension, go ahead. But, when you do, post a comprehensive review.

Initial thoughts.

Comparison between your set ups.

Long term thoughts(after 6 months, 12 months etc)

The only reviews we have here are:

"yea bro I can slam my car and it still rolls"

"yea bro I slammed my rwd impreza and can drift it"

And

"I had these on my car and had a critical failure"
Well now you have, again. Are you a high school girl? Im just curious cause damn, you could win the crown for drama queen.

Let me go ahead and toss in MY raceland coilover review. Short and sweet. Ready? Ok, but you're going to be sad since I'm not going to say "slammed" or "bro" in my review so you cant use that against Raceland again. Sorry.

I loved my Racelands. Let me say that AGAIN. I LOVED MY RACELANDS. I had them on my 98 outback and coupled with other mods I could corner faster and flatter than my buddies '11 STi. And if you dont believe that, well frankly you can suck it. I got it on video.


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Let us know how these coilovers last in the snow......
Well considering I work in Oakland, CA and live in South Lake Tahoe, CA and drive the 179 miles (one way) to and from work every weekend (even in the middle of winter) I have to say mine held up VERY well thank you.

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Have any evidence or photos of the bilstein or BC's?
I think we covered that already too.

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Use the period button.

Also, my comment wasn't "bashing" anything. If there is any sort of evidence showing similar failures I'd love to see them.
Grammar police! Nothing more mature than correcting them on their english beecuz you dont like da way dey type.



Lastly, let me say this. I loved my racelands, up until the last minute I drove on them on the mountain road Kingsbury Grade in Nevada going down into Gardnerville where I traded my beloved Brooke for a bugeye wagon. I put about 20,000 miles on mine, and while the ride was a little soft for a Legacy Outback (especially in the rear, with my photography gear and other stuff or people) it wasnt too bad. They allowed for a bigger tire than possible with stock suspension, firmer ride, more control, adjustable ride height, and above all, allowed me to have all of that at a decent price. Speaking of, I wonder how many of the so called "experts" we have on NASIOC (trying not to shoot soda out of my nose from laughing) would still be nay-sayers if Racelands werent the cheapest coilover you could buy. Lets say they jacked up the price by $300 to be on par with D2's, entry level Megans, and BC's. Then what? My thinking is that all of the negative comments made in this thread were made by people whove never once owned or driven on Racelands. I personally am not going to sit here and bash that Tein coilover you saw snapped in half because "a strut should NEVER fail like that. Ever. Not once." even though I think Ive shown that it can in fact happen to " quality products.

Like I said, I recently got a bugeye wagon. Racelands treated me very well for the time I drove on them and so I will be buying a new set for my GD in the next week or two. This time Im getting the "Ultimo Coilovers" with slighty stiffer springs. (505/315 ft/lbs verses the 450/280 on the original model)

Thanks for helping me pass the time while Im on duty by the way, I got a kick out of this thread!
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:25 AM   #78
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Wow, an actual review with more in it than "herp derp these are great."

+1 internets to you
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:42 PM   #79
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I wish you could like posts ^

Well done!
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:49 PM   #82
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raceland sucks because uh there not full race uh and its buy one strut and get three free. thats the post i been seeing when it comes to reviews. jac wagon had a good arguement everything fails even top shelf condoms. its when and how.
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everything fails even top shelf condoms. its when and how.
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Bought my second set of racelands today (new car, nothing wrong with the other set for all you negative nancys out there)

This time I got the ultimo set, stiffer spring rate but not back breaking. Pics and review to follow.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:47 PM   #85
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i duno what i did wrong but...this happened today...got them not even a year ago


thank god for warranty and i wasnt on the highway
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:02 PM   #86
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Bought my second set of racelands today (new car, nothing wrong with the other set for all you negative nancys out there)

This time I got the ultimo set, stiffer spring rate but not back breaking. Pics and review to follow.
You made this whole thread worth reading!
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Props to you Jac Wagon.
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bout to buy a set with 500 miles on em for 250$. ill be back with a review.
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So its been a few weeks, and I still LOVE the ultimos. The spring rate is perfect for daily driving with weekend canyon carving. Ive been tinkering with the ride height little by little getting the look I want. I think I finally got it dialed in. Any lower and Ill be stuck in parking lots with speedbumps (scraped a little on a tall bump last night).
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Do they make one specifically for the wagon, or did you have to get spacers from someone like turn in concepts? I am also interested in a set of these for my bugeye wagon, as my 257k mile factory suspension is shot and I am looking to get something that I can at least raise and lower for winter/summer.

Great review, by the way.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:54 PM   #91
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I will be ordering a set of these next week and i will also post my review. I am convinced (and on a budget) from what others have said.

Thank you to all (JAC-Wagon) who took the time to review these coilovers!
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Nevin, honestly dude at this point Anything will be an upgrade for your suspension lol

Seriously though, no they don't make specific wagon/sedan kits. Spacers aren't needed as ride height is very adjustable. I went from 4" of fender gap to less than 1"



I am low, too low in fact lol. I scraped my exhaust today on a speed bump. And when I want to run my studded snow tires for my roads in Lake Tahoe I can raise it up higher than my forester lol.

You guys are welcome. I hope you all enjoy yours as much as I do mine.
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Well, over 200k of the cars miles were highway, so it suprisingly still rides well, but it does have a saggy rear, and it is starting to give me a few bumps and squeaks here and there.

Thanks for the reply.

I look forward to having my wagon sitting a bit lower this summer with my sti wheels.

And your wrb wagon looks great!
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just bought a pair for my 08 sedan pretty excited
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I owned a set and never would again. I had to warranty 3/4 of the set within the first year and a half of owning them. And it was on my DD...never auto x'ed the car or anything crazy. Granted the company was great about warranting them, but still was unnecessary that I had to regardless. I now run Tein's and I love them.
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I owned a set and never would again. I had to warranty 3/4 of the set within the first year and a half of owning them. And it was on my DD...never auto x'ed the car or anything crazy. Granted the company was great about warranting them, but still was unnecessary that I had to regardless. I now run Tein's and I love them.
Yikes. Thanks for the heads up. I might go with BC.
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Picked mine up yesterday. The gentleman I bought them from explained clearly that he was not happy with them. He told me the pillow tops make noise. He expressed this to Raceland. They asked him to ship the top hats back for replacement. Short of doing that he tq'd the top but to 30#s with no change. He asked for a refund, but was denied being out of the 30 day return policy. He was disappointed.

So with the strut in hand I examined it. I could move the top hat on the pillow top and did feel/hear some play.
I don't think they are precisely built high end performance coils for 500$, so I kinda expect to find what sets them apart from more expensive sets. I also don't think metal on metal noise will contribute to a lifetime long coil over...but is any coil over rated for a lifetime?

I was also told by the seller that he felt the ride was harsh. I'm also expecting that with coilovers. I will report back.

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I owned a set and never would again. I had to warranty 3/4 of the set within the first year and a half of owning them. And it was on my DD...never auto x'ed the car or anything crazy. Granted the company was great about warranting them, but still was unnecessary that I had to regardless. I now run Tein's and I love them.
Im assuming you had a set from a few years ago? If so, that makes sense. Like I said in my first part of the review, the build quality and ride is greatly improved over my first set that I purchased in 2011. That set, while I never had any problems, didnt have quite the quality look and feel of $2000 coils. The newer ultimos however, do. Whats the spring rate on your Teins (just curious)

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Picked mine up yesterday. The gentleman I bought them from explained clearly that he was not happy with them. He told me the pillow tops make noise. He expressed this to Raceland. They asked him to ship the top hats back for replacement. Short of doing that he tq'd the top but to 30#s with no change. He asked for a refund, but was denied being out of the 30 day return policy. He was disappointed.

So with the strut in hand I examined it. I could move the top hat on the pillow top and did feel/hear some play.
I don't think they are precisely built high end performance coils for 500$, so I kinda expect to find what sets them apart from more expensive sets. I also don't think metal on metal noise will contribute to a lifetime long coil over...but is any coil over rated for a lifetime?

I was also told by the seller that he felt the ride was harsh. I'm also expecting that with coilovers. I will report back.

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sounds to me like you picked up a set used, which means its the older built ones. So no need for me to repeat what I just said ^^ but I hope you have good luck with them. How many miles were on them? My old set would make similar noises, the pillow tops would creak and I could hear the oil flowing but these new ones I dont hear anything. For what its worth.
What did you pay for them used if you dont mind me asking?
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Got raceland ultimos for my bugeye 3 months ago and I have to say, I love them. Ride quality is a little stiffer then the regular racelands but it improves cornering especially hard turns. The only downside so far is that I live in oregon and due to the weather conditions, when i went to adjust the ride height, the lock had stuck and it took some time to get it loose, and then the first 4-5 turns on the coilover to raise it was very very stiff, as the thread was exposed to harsh weather. Personally, i think this would have happened to any coilovers. The only other thing i can think of is when i go over bumps, it can squeak or make a chirping sound but i usually never hear it over any music.

Great product, great customer service, I would recommend them.
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Agreed, the adjustment does get a little stiff over time from road grime. Im pretty sure it is a problem for all coils like you said. I am in the habit now of using a little graphite, and a BRASS wire brush to clean and lubricate when I adjust.

I drove through some hard BUMPY corners last night, and I love the new ultimos.
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