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Old 11-01-2011, 11:39 PM   #101
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Absolutely reeks of potential.... imagine a full motor build on this thing. It would be a complete rocket! I honestly think subaru wanted to sell people a blank canvas with sh** tons of potential.
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:15 AM   #102
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I've been following this as the FT86 for about 2 years now. Was hoping for around 250hp turbo. About 6 months ago when they squashed any FI ideas I gave up on waiting and bought my 07 wrx. It's a nice looking car but I'd want a bit more power. I expected subaru to come out with a 305hp sti since they already have the engine, kind of surprised all the sti badge gets you is suspension and brakes
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:42 AM   #103
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Might be trading in the WRX. That's a fantastic car.
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:53 AM   #104
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its an awesome car with a lot of potential. but its not subaru.
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Old 11-02-2011, 03:26 AM   #105
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btw the specs posted on the OT are for the base model BRZ and not the STI model. I'm assumming this but am super sure about it :P... because it says BRZ and not Concept BRZ STI. (for all of those who are saying the STI is underpowered.)
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:23 AM   #106
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with todays safety features and creature comfort i highly doubt this thing is going to be 2500lbs, unless they make it more spartan which i doubt.. as far as power goes, sure this thing is going to be a dream on the twisty and corners but with low tq you would have to rev the engine more like honda to get it going,and when your not in the corners your going to wish for 300hp and more tq, thats the problem with na low displacement, no matter how much technology advances the physics line can be pushed so far, with gas engines anyway..

and for all the people who say we shouldnt be complaining about power, if there were 2 versions youll be taking this one as opposed to a 300hp turbo awd tq monster version?

-__- have you not done your reading? this car WOULD NOT exist if it were an "AWD TQ MONSTER". If it were AWD its center of gravity and engine placement would be back where the impreza has it because of the transaxles. And yes I would take this car over a 300hp awd tq monster because Im taking it over an Impreza WRX STI.

It seems to me that all the new kids who can finally afford a subaru and who just obtained one in the past few years because theyre pretty inexpensive now are caught up in this awd turbo nonsense. I think those of us who have been around Subaru for a while appreciate this car a lot more. I am proud of Subaru and this current path theyre venturing down. Cant wait for a Top Gear review either.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:22 AM   #107
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My thoughts exactly!
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:06 AM   #108
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I'm having trouble believing the power specs in that chart. To make 200 hp with only 170 ft-lb of torque, the motor would have to have its torque peak up at almost 6200 RPM. That's not a typical Subaru power curve. Their N/A engines are usually tuned for more low-end torque and don't like to rev to the stratosphere like some other makes.

I highly doubt the 2500 lb curb weight, too. That's Miata territory, and it's hard to believe they can build a hard-top car that meets safety specs and is that light, unless it's Smart car sized.

I do like the rendering, though, if it's remotely accurate. Offer a model with a more subdued wing and different wheels, and it will probably be a big hit.
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Redline is 7200ish.
That still doesn't explain where all this extra power out of the 2.0L motor is coming from, though.

From the 2012 Impreza review on the home page:
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The car weighs 2911 lbs and has 148hp @ 6200rpm, 145 lb-ft at 4200 from an all-new 2.0-liter flat 4. This motor is a smaller version of the 2.5 that made its debut in the Forester last year.
That means that the new motor makes a peak of 145 ft-lb of torque at 4200 RPM and is dropping off to 125 ft-lb at 6200 to equal 148 hp. I can't see them just re-tuning that motor to increase the torque and hp by 50% and to completely change it from an economy car power curve to a sports car power curve. It would need better breathing heads, much more aggressive cams, and probably a host of other improvements to see that kind of power increase.

Subaru has never been known for building high-revving N/A sports car engines. When they want a powerful small engine, they've always gone the turbo route instead. I'm guessing then when it finally does arrive, the numbers are going to be more like 160 hp/150 ft-lb and several hundred pounds over the 2500 lb estimate. If they can keep it down around 2500, it will make a pretty decent Miata competitor. But if it ends up around Impreza weight, it's going to have a tough battle for market share.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:35 AM   #109
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This Is Not Subaru You People Are Jumping Ship!!! Awd Four Doors Is Subaru Rally Roots Wtf Is This If You Want This Buy A Bmw
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:34 AM   #110
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WANT!! any release about MSRP of the STi BRZ?
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:08 PM   #111
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Ive been out of the Subaru market for quite some time. -simply because to own anything worth a hoot it will cost me ~$40k to get there (in a new vehicle state)

This car will be amazing. 200hp, close to 2500#, I'm sure a well built diff, 6spd, brembo's, lightweight, recaro style seats...

$25k. I'll take one.
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:42 PM   #112
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not convinced i like the lack of a turbo, if they do however offer a turbo'd version....or just wait til 2014 when they completely redo the wrx/sti
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Old 11-02-2011, 12:52 PM   #113
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Why are some of you asking for a 300hp, 2500lb, RWD car??? Most people in the demographics for buying this thing can barely handle a 300hp, 3300lb, AWD car.

I think the current specs are almost spot on for a perfect production car. Even if it ends up being 2800lbs. Looks pretty, power is reasonable, good gas mileage.
Thank you! I was thinking the same thing. I know this is a Subaru enthusiast site with many people preferring AWD cars, but I don't understand why people are screaming for an Impreza STi drive train in this car. This car was built with a different focus on light weight, low center of gravity, and decent fuel mileage, but still using Subaru engineering. That has been the focus ever since the car was rumored and concepts appeared, so I'm not sure why people are surprised by this.

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This Is Not Subaru You People Are Jumping Ship!!! Awd Four Doors Is Subaru Rally Roots Wtf Is This If You Want This Buy A Bmw
Let's see, Subaru has built 2-door cars in the past. The Impreza coupe, SVX, Justy, and Brat all come to mind. They have also built 2WD cars before, like the old FWD Imprezas. Just because they decide to offer a RWD coupe doesn't make it any less of a Subaru. It's still a Subaru flat-4 engine after all. How about the roadster concept they showed a couple of years back? If I recall, that concept car was a two seater using a diesel hybrid drive train. Was that any less of a Subaru?

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Old 11-02-2011, 12:59 PM   #114
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This really needs a turbo model. It looks to aggressive to be relegated to the right lane. Styling wise it looks like it should just have balls.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:13 PM   #115
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Their rally roots were in coupes for the most part, actually.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:25 PM   #116
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Why are some of you asking for a 300hp, 2500lb, RWD car??? Most people in the demographics for buying this thing can barely handle a 300hp, 3300lb, AWD car.

I think the current specs are almost spot on for a perfect production car. Even if it ends up being 2800lbs. Looks pretty, power is reasonable, good gas mileage.
You restore some of my faith in NASIOC!

Is it wrong to be happy that so many idiotic drivers will be turned off of the BRZ because it can't outrun their mom's minivan in a drag race?

The biggest killer for this car (in my decision) would be a 270hp (1.6-2.0L) turbo WRX for $1000 more.
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:37 PM   #117
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yes its nice but its no subaru. I dont think its believes in the subaru line up what so ever. Doesnt really look there style, no awd, no turbo and why would they want something that competes with there wrx and sti when those two arlone are perfectly fine.
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:04 PM   #118
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It looks like a Peugeot. The wing is pretty ugly too. Still, once this motor gets some aftermarket love, that curb weight and rwd should make it funnnn
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:04 PM   #119
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Potential of a great balance for the car, N/A engine which will hold up to continual track abuse (less heat). Like the inclusion of the Brembo kit, that will be a huge plus for those who track the car. We all know there will be F/I kits coming out a few months after the release of this car. Reminds me so much of the S2K.

Did not notice if anyone picked up the direct injection on this model, designed by Toyota. Hearing a lot of grumbling from the Audi and BMW crowd about direct injection and valve deposits, dont know if it would be applicable since this is N/A, not turbo though, just a thought....

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Old 11-02-2011, 04:29 PM   #120
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This really needs a turbo model. It looks to aggressive to be relegated to the right lane. Styling wise it looks like it should just have balls.
can no one do their homework... there is a release about a Subaru BRZ STI... in motortrend, IIRC
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:24 PM   #121
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Ive been out of the Subaru market for quite some time. -simply because to own anything worth a hoot it will cost me ~$40k to get there (in a new vehicle state)

This car will be amazing. 200hp, close to 2500#, I'm sure a well built diff, 6spd, brembo's, lightweight, recaro style seats...

$25k. I'll take one.
I think you're confusing two different cars. They're claiming 200 hp and 2500 lbs for the base BRZ, which should cost around $25k.

Then they're also showing off a prototype STi version for the auto show that has Brembo brakes, better seats, 6-speed (maybe). I can pretty much guarantee that the base model won't have Brembos or Recaro seats for $25k. Maybe in a couple of years they'll offer an STi version for $35k with all the cool goodies, though.

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Old 11-02-2011, 06:45 PM   #122
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Wow, give us at least 200ft/lb stock and I'm in. Very interested to see the final specs on this one...
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Old 11-02-2011, 06:46 PM   #123
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yes its nice but its no subaru. I dont think its believes in the subaru line up what so ever. Doesnt really look there style, no awd, no turbo and why would they want something that competes with there wrx and sti when those two arlone are perfectly fine.
How is it not a Subaru when they have worked on the suspension development and are providing the boxer engine? No, it doesn't have AWD, but that's the point, to offer a lightweight RWD coupe with excellent handling. How exactly does that compete with the existing WRX and STi? This car has a different focus from those two. Also, not all Subaru models have a turbo, though there are rumors that there may be a turbo version of this car.
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:50 PM   #124
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Waste of R&D and money... Awesome style, but my s2000 is way faster stock, let alone an Impreza sti. I would hope a car like this would be 265hp or more to be competitive with Infinity G37, Honda s2000, and other Japanese rear wheel drive cars on the market.

Cuz we will figure out how to swap in an EJ257 and but some more HP down.
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Waste of R&D and money... Awesome style, but my s2000 is way faster stock, let alone an Impreza sti. I would hope a car like this would be 265hp or more to be competitive with Infinity G37, Honda s2000, and other Japanese rear wheel drive cars on the market.

Cuz we will figure out how to swap in an EJ257 and but some more HP down.
So your $10k more expensive car that is no longer produced is faster so this is a waste?

It is not designed to be competitive with ANY of the cars you listed.

A Corvette is faster than your S2000. The S2000 needs 400hp to be competitive. See who stupid that sounds?
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