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Old 11-07-2011, 02:25 PM   #1
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Ever since my accident in May, I've been considering getting a camera in my car, and I just wanted to ask if anyone had any experience with them. There are a few available on Craigslist, but I don't really trust Craigslist for that sort of thing, and while I'd consider spending $200 at a store, I definitely won't fork over that much to some random person on the internet. Has anyone seen any cheaper ones around? I think there used to be a few on CL for under $60, but it seems everyone's decided to up the price (or they were crap).


I figure my options are:

A) Actual "Accident Recorder/Blackbox"

- Pros: Compact, auto-overwrite of old files (no need for extra SD cards), easy to install.

- Cons: Potential cost, poor quality, don't know where to get them in stores, may not actually save all data (some only save 20 seconds before and after an accident).

- Bottom Line: I'd get one if it was cheap ($100 or less) and saved a couple hours of driving, rather than just a few seconds before and after an accident.


B) GoPro/Contour Camera

- Pros: High quality video, great for track days/having fun in the car, (relatively) easy to install.

- Cons: Cost, might not be able to auto-overwrite old files, might need an extra memory card to swap out, not sure if there's a good way of telling when the memory card is full.

- Bottom Line: If the accident recorders are actually around $200, then this is a much better option, as the versatility and video quality would be far superior. If either the GoPro or the Contour camera offers an auto-overwrite feature for old files, then this is definitely the best option. If not, there should be some indication of how much space is left on the memory card so I can swap it out for a fresh one, otherwise I'll be guessing when I have to replace it.


C) Cheap "Modified" Camcorder

- Pros: Cost! Probably better quality video for the price than the other two, some are fairly compact.

- Cons: Difficulty of installation (I'd have to modify the wiring to turn on and record when I start the car), no auto-overwrite (again, unless it's modified), need extra memory cards, no wide-angle view.

- Bottom Line: The only benefit of this one would be the ridiculously low cost... Budget camcorders are available for under $60, and if I get a return/open box from a store, the price goes down further. The quality on most should be good enough for what I need, and there's a few that are relatively slim and would be easy to mount in the car. The biggest hassle would be wring up a relay or something to turn the camera on and start recording when I start the car, and I'd have to hack the internals to do it. There probably isn't an "auto-overwrite" feature on them either, so again I'd either need to program that somehow, or just keep spare memory cards on hand.


Anyone have any suggestions or experiences with the first two? I don't think many people have done the third, so it's not a serious consideration, unless the other two won't work for any reason.
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Old 11-07-2011, 06:51 PM   #2
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Im running KCI communications black box.
Smart Black Box | High Resolution Mobile Event Data Recorder
All in one Camera, GPS, 3-Axis Shock sensor.
It automatically deletes older data when you run out of memory card space.
I guess you could wire it to always on, but I only have my on when the car is on.

Heres what the unit looks like mounted.
Passenger's View:

Driver's View:

Outside:


Videos are sync'ed with google maps so when you review them, you'll see exactly where you've been.
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Old 11-07-2011, 08:53 PM   #3
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My driver in Taiwan recently got something like this:

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/h-264-7...-2-5-lcd-54137

The one he's got does 1080p and can be wired in for power for around $200cnd which is similar price to getting a GoPro. Not sure if there are copied versions of the real dash cam so I can't vouch for quality.

Either way, around town you'd still have to unmount the suction cup mount. I've been using a GoPro 720 Hero and it's been working well with the suction cup mount, and of course you can use it for biking, boarding, etc. Don't have to worry about running out of memory space on a 16GB card driving around town. Worry more about running out of batteries after 2.5hrs.
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Old 11-08-2011, 02:20 PM   #4
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just had an accident last month, and I provided the video was taken by driving recorder to ICBC and won the case

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Old 11-08-2011, 02:23 PM   #5
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just had an accident last month, and I provided the video was taken that Ken mention we called driving recorder in Taiwan to ICBC, of course it approved 100% third party fault made unsafe left turn in intersection. The driving recorder has much better night vision ability and easy to use then goPro or any that you see on market here.
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Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4LYz6eLTAo
Huh? I'm sorry but that's impossible to read and understand.
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Old 11-08-2011, 02:35 PM   #6
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had an accident and i had a video recorder that Ken ( from previous post) mentioned. I provided it to ICBC and won the case.... so.. clear now?
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Old 11-08-2011, 09:10 PM   #7
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Thanks for the suggestions guys...

RCubed: That seems like a really nice model, but the cost is quite high for something that doesn't do much more than record video... The FPS is pretty low, and for the same price I could get a GoPro (or something similar) and have a higher quality video. I'd also just have it on when the car is running, but maybe I didn't make that clear.

Ken: That unit seems alright... I can't tell the quality, but at least it's cheap. The site doesn't have much info on manufacturer or anything though, and some people seem to have issues with the unit (like corrupt memory, which is the last thing I want if I'm in a bad situation).

As for a GoPro, I'd just keep it in my car all the time, and make a permanent mount. There's a few locations I could mount it... Just behind the rearview mirror, near the interior light, in the dash, etc. If I could have it start recording as soon as I turn the unit on, that'd be best. Having to swap out memory cards would be a pain in the ass, but if I could figure out how much I can record on a memory card then I'm sure I could set up some kind of timer that would count down the remaining time, and have it trigger an alarm when the card is full. Then, I'd just have to pull over, turn off the car, swap the memory card, and reset the timer. If I need something from the card, I could copy it onto my computer, otherwise I'd just format the card and put it back in the car. If I could get 8+ hours of recording time on a memory card, even at a relatively low quality, I'd be happy.
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Old 11-08-2011, 09:44 PM   #8
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Thanks for the suggestions guys...

RCubed: That seems like a really nice model, but the cost is quite high for something that doesn't do much more than record video... The FPS is pretty low, and for the same price I could get a GoPro (or something similar) and have a higher quality video. I'd also just have it on when the car is running, but maybe I didn't make that clear..
i have it wired to auto-on when i turn on the car. It lasts 2 weeks of daily driving recording and it has GPS and an accelerometer in it. its non-intrusive and once you set it up, you never have to worry about it any more.
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:43 PM   #9
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had an accident and i had a video recorder that Ken ( from previous post) mentioned. I provided it to ICBC and won the case.... so.. clear now?
Better. Punctuation and grammar FTW
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:51 PM   #10
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had an accident and i had a video recorder that Ken ( from previous post) mentioned. I provided it to ICBC and won the case.... so.. clear now?
But that's because it is within the view of the camera. Plus, my friend was involved in a similar accident and was ruled to be at fault because he was turning even though the other car was trying to run a yellow. ICBC said the car going straight has the right of way. So, either way, in your case you would've won.

I don't get how a camera will do any good if none of the accident happens in the view of the camera.

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Old 11-09-2011, 12:36 AM   #11
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Well duhhhh...4 cameras FTW!!!!!!!

Do I hear VIC group buy and Timmys install meet?
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Old 11-09-2011, 02:15 AM   #12
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LOL, I'd love to see how the final installed product will look like.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:56 AM   #13
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LOL, I'd love to see how the final installed product will look like.



I would go with the GoPro, if you could get it to rewrite it would be perfect..
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Old 11-09-2011, 12:08 PM   #14
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I got one from a friend who runs Autolismo (likely the person you are seeing advertising on CL). Been meaning to set it up but haven't done so yet.

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Old 11-09-2011, 02:20 PM   #15
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KKullar, how much did you get your camera for? Did they give you a referral code for discount?

I want to pick 1 up to.

Thanks.
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Old 11-09-2011, 02:28 PM   #16
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Hi yoall, you can e-mail Thomas at autolismo@gmail.com.

I didn't pay for the camera as I exchanged him some car parts for it.

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Old 11-09-2011, 03:07 PM   #17
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Group buy would be nice...

Kevin: I'll give him a shout... Can I name drop to get a good deal? :P Which brand do you have?

Yeah, the GoPro would be nice, so I might email their tech support and see what they say. I do have another possibility though... I found a tiny little computer I bought a couple years ago, so if I could rig up a little webcam and program it to auto record, I could have it save an almost limitless amount of data... It's only about the size of two cd cases stacked on top of each other, and it uses a 12 VDC input, but there's no monitor, so I'd need to track one down.
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Old 11-09-2011, 08:46 PM   #18
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I feel out of place here thinking that it's over-kill or paranoia having a camera in my car recording everything. I guess I just don't find myself in situations often enough that I would find this practical.

Changing memory cards every few hours or wiring in hard drives just seems so un necessary. But to each their own!
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:38 PM   #19
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I feel out of place here thinking that it's over-kill or paranoia having a camera in my car recording everything. I guess I just don't find myself in situations often enough that I would find this practical.

Changing memory cards every few hours or wiring in hard drives just seems so un necessary. But to each their own!



I was so thinking that too in the 20+ years of driving I needed something like this ZERO TIMES! My insurance broker even said I could cause 3 accidents and still be at 40% discount.

If anything this could be used against you if you were ever caught speeding and weaving in and out of cars. But no one on Nasioc would ever drive like that.

I would use a harddrive and go pro setup for filming track days or somehting like that or to have hidden cameras for if I dropped my car off at a shop to make sure they did't joy ride in it.

Or in my wifes case when someone kept vandelizing her car keyed it 6-8 times and slashed 11 tires....
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Is the driver of the google subaru giving a thumbs up for flipping the bird

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I would go with the GoPro, if you could get it to rewrite it would be perfect..
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Andrew: I agree, I wouldn't've thought so myself, but after my last "accident", I now see the point... Right now, I'm being held liable for an accident I didn't cause, where the other driver purposely pulled into my car. If I'd had an accident recorder, I'd be laughing right now. Because I didn't, I can't prove what happened, and not only do I have to cover his damages, I also have to cover my costs (or simply live with the dents). Yes, an accident recorder is not something everyone needs, and it's not something I ever thought I'd need, but after what happened, I'm kicking myself for not getting one sooner.
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