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Old 11-13-2011, 10:00 PM   #26
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im going to be running a HX35 with a .70 BEP housing on my 08 wrx

their are only 3 other guys running holsets right now here is a Quote from a previous post of mine with some info and links to other holset builds

the dsm guys use them alot and have alot more info on their forums then you will find here




hope this helps and i have high hope for these turbos, they out flow and out spool the GT35R and are dirt cheap if you are willing to buy used and rebuild. and BEP has billet wheels for both the 35 and 40 and have Mitsu, T-3, and T-4 housing in all different A/R's

You had me at "dirt cheap" BTW, tons of great info on the DSM tuner link you posted. This really does sound interesting.

So the HX35 falls between a 30r and 35r in size and has good if not better spool up, am I reading that correctly?

I'm also a little confused about a comment someone made about fitment. If I were to go with a HX35 with a BEP T3 to V-Band housing, would it fit in my current rotated set-up?
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:13 AM   #27
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^^^^^^^^^basicly...some DSM people just are cost efficient. and yes, the BEP housing uses a 3in vband exhaust side and a 4bolt t3 inlet that connects to your rotated up pipe so yes..it will fit. and garret makes a 4 bolt .63 housing that works too if your downpipe is 4 bolt. the hx40 is essentially a little larger than a 35r depending on which one you get.
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:15 AM   #28
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the HX55 is just a shake down turbo...since it has zero miles and is free.

The details will be shared once things are sorted. Several custom parts are being tested in the setup. ALL new pistons, new rod material to help shave weight, a few changes to port work and I'll be testing the S3 up against my Kelfords. It'll be a guinea pig setup beyond my old 4340 rods and 2618 pistons. Should shave around 180 grams per cylinder over my old parts.

I'm actually debating on grabbing a set of 205 heads and working them over for the application. I have more control of the combustion chamber then. Otherwise I have a set of B25 heads sitting in wait with the work already done.
it sounds like an aluminum rod lightweight spin happy motor ahha. it should last, but im guessing your in for a rebuild after every race season? i would use the 205 heads since you can control the combustion chamber size if the duration of the s3 are better than the kelfords....GET EM!!! haha.
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:16 AM   #29
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I'm using a hx35 with 12 cm housing, ultimate racing rotated upipe. Getting it tuned as we speak so really can't say how awesome it is but I will update when it's done.



please chime in with results. whats yoursetup tho? fueling? injector size? motor? let us know!! gracias. my holset just came in!! in for pics tmrw!
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:15 AM   #30
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So where are you guys finding these turbo's?
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:39 AM   #31
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please chime in with results. whats yoursetup tho? fueling? injector size? motor? let us know!! gracias. my holset just came in!! in for pics tmrw!
Stock ej205, ultimate racing rotated uppipe, stock exhaust manifold, custom 3in downpipe, ssac fmic, modded stock injectors 830 to 840cc, stock fuel rails and a aeromotive 340 pump. Still have my tgvs. I'm hoping to delete those soon. Everything else is pretty much stock. I planned on putting this turbo setup on my last built motor bugeye but never got to it and sold the car. Now it's in my bugeye wagon!
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Old 11-14-2011, 08:44 AM   #32
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So where are you guys finding these turbo's?
Basically any where. Sign up on some dodge diesel forum some guys sell them to upgrade. I got mine off my buddy for 75$ and paid 100$ for the rebuild kit and did it myself. There a handful of writeups on the net of people rebuild them. I see a couple on eBay all the time, most are just cores that need a rebuild. Otherwise I would check your local Craigslist.
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:16 AM   #33
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Basically any where. Sign up on some dodge diesel forum some guys sell them to upgrade. I got mine off my buddy for 75$ and paid 100$ for the rebuild kit and did it myself. There a handful of writeups on the net of people rebuild them. I see a couple on eBay all the time, most are just cores that need a rebuild. Otherwise I would check your local Craigslist.
yea i went on craized list and got mine new for 280. american made n all that. sold my blown 35r for 200bucks and bought the hotside with the money i made for the sale...so basicly paid 200 bucks for a turbo that will outlast my car . im surprised so few scoobies are doing this setup. its pretty bang for buck imo. ut craigslist is your best bet. usually if you see them up for sale on a cummins forum, they go really quickly. the hx40 is like a td04 for them haha. and yea, the ebay ones are just cores tht need rebuilds..well they are hit and miss because they cannot test them for leaking so they just say it needs a rebuild but has no shaft play. i wouldnt buy the new new holset turbos for 280-330 because those are usually the chinese versions made by"emusa". but if it has the name holset on the compressor cover, then its probably legit. even chinese turbo diesels use em too haha. but make sure you get an american or UK made holset.
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:18 AM   #34
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Stock ej205, ultimate racing rotated uppipe, stock exhaust manifold, custom 3in downpipe, ssac fmic, modded stock injectors 830 to 840cc, stock fuel rails and a aeromotive 340 pump. Still have my tgvs. I'm hoping to delete those soon. Everything else is pretty much stock. I planned on putting this turbo setup on my last built motor bugeye but never got to it and sold the car. Now it's in my bugeye wagon!
haha go big or go home i say.....doing it big on the stock 205. so pump gas is what your aiming for? i have nearly the same set up as you accept its a 2.2l and its built and im using 100% meth pre ic and post ic. when are you gettting tuned tho!!! i want results! especially for my friends sake, hes getting tuned on a 3071 on a 100k stock lock ej205 and i wanna give him a little hope that it can be done on a stock block. just make sure you have low torque
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:01 PM   #35
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it sounds like an aluminum rod lightweight spin happy motor
not aluminum and the rods and pistons should actually last longer than the industry standard of 4340 and 2618.
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:01 PM   #36
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haha go big or go home i say.....doing it big on the stock 205. so pump gas is what your aiming for? i have nearly the same set up as you accept its a 2.2l and its built and im using 100% meth pre ic and post ic. when are you gettting tuned tho!!! i want results! especially for my friends sake, hes getting tuned on a 3071 on a 100k stock lock ej205 and i wanna give him a little hope that it can be done on a stock block. just make sure you have low torque
Go big or go home is right!!!!! Lol yea just pump gas. I wanted to do e85 but I don't have the $$$ to get some big azz injectors haha. I'm getting it tuned this week. It's a remote road tune through my buddy cam at camtuning.com. I should be getting a base map soon and then do some 3rd gear pulls. Im keeping torque low and hoping I can keep it together till I get some Forged internals. It can be done on a stock block not the greatest idea but it does the job till it blows hahaha
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not aluminum and the rods and pistons should actually last longer than the industry standard of 4340 and 2618.
yea 4340 has a pretty bad life cycle, but they are meant for the stress they are put under. whats the lifecycle your expecting from these components?
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:37 PM   #38
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Go big or go home is right!!!!! Lol yea just pump gas. I wanted to do e85 but I don't have the $$$ to get some big azz injectors haha. I'm getting it tuned this week. It's a remote road tune through my buddy cam at camtuning.com. I should be getting a base map soon and then do some 3rd gear pulls. Im keeping torque low and hoping I can keep it together till I get some Forged internals. It can be done on a stock block not the greatest idea but it does the job till it blows hahaha

Any updates on your tune? Care to post up some of your data logs?
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:50 PM   #39
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^^^^^^ YES!!!!! Exactly my approach but Im running the HY35W with the 9cm housing.
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yea 4340 has a pretty bad life cycle....but they are meant for the stress they are put under.
so long as you don't cross the knee (see 'rating') then you don't really have a life cycle concern.

As for my new rods, of course life cycle depends on the given power. With that being said, it's the reason I'm my own guinea pig...or select customers.

Not releasing anything yet as the ones for this application are prototypes, sorry.
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Any updates on your tune? Care to post up some of your data logs?
nothing yet tuner hasnt got back to me yet Im getting sad i just wanna drive my car!!!!!!!
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Old 11-17-2011, 05:18 PM   #42
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what size EWG's are you all running im still trying to decide what i will need for my hx35 W/ BEP .70 A/R turbine housing. 38/44/46/50/60MM ????
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tial 44 ewg

forgot to mention that im running a garret .63 a/r but made it v-band


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Old 11-17-2011, 07:03 PM   #44
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what size EWG's are you all running im still trying to decide what i will need for my hx35 W/ BEP .70 A/R turbine housing. 38/44/46/50/60MM ????
Mine is an old (out of production) tial 37mm, dont laugh, works fine, even on WG pressure no creep issues.

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tial 44 ewg

forgot to mention that im running a garret .63 a/r but made it v-band

Man now Im real curious. I have thought about doing something similar, but using only Holset parts (hybrid 40). Which comp wheel are you on and how much power? More importantly, when are you hitting 20psi, and when and how much peak?

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tial 44 ewg

forgot to mention that im running a garret .63 a/r but made it v-band


what had to be done to the Garrette housing to make it fit ???

also like asked above what holset do you have and @ what RPM are you hitting 20PSI on the EJ207

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what had to be done to the Garrette housing to make it fit ???

also like asked above what holset do you have and @ what RPM are you hitting 20PSI on the EJ207
garret makes a .63 housing for the holset turbos, and they are 190 if you can find them in the right spots. they are origianlly 4 bolt, but some people just wanna ball harder haha. im using a Greddy 47mm WG. no need in going bigger imo
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nothing yet tuner hasnt got back to me yet Im getting sad i just wanna drive my car!!!!!!!
::::::::::::::::(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( (( hurry up! we wanna see the fate of this motor!! i think this thread could get big depending on all our results haha.
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garret makes a .63 housing for the holset turbos, and they are 190 if you can find them in the right spots. they are origianlly 4 bolt, but some people just wanna ball harder haha. im using a Greddy 47mm WG. no need in going bigger imo
Tim from Tims Turbo's makes a hx35 T3 to 4 bolt .63 housing. You can buy them on ebay (or direct) right now for 150 bucks. I think he mentioned they were on sale.

He also makes one for the hx40, it's $190.

Not a bad deal at all.
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forgot to mention that im running a garret .63 a/r but made it v-band
For the love of Pete, you gota share more details. Like a full mod list and a data log.

Also, assuming you are running a rotated kit, were there any fitment issues when you added the V-Band connection? I ask because I was planning to use the 4 bolt to V-band adaptor but I was worried about adding 1.3" to the housing and what that would do for DownPipe fitment. Welding it may be a better option, because it probably only adds about 3/4".
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For the love of Pete, you gota share more details. Like a full mod list and a data log.

Also, assuming you are running a rotated kit, were there any fitment issues when you added the V-Band connection? I ask because I was planning to use the 4 bolt to V-band adaptor but I was worried about adding 1.3" to the housing and what that would do for DownPipe fitment. Welding it may be a better option, because it probably only adds about 3/4".

Hey Brian. Weld it, you will need the space. Holset specifies a maximum CHRA mounting angle of +/- 10* from centerline, and +/- 5* from rotor center line. The CHRA center line is easy to get, to stay within 10* on the rotor you have to control the amount of "lean-back" or rearward tilt. Needless to say, I spent more time building my up-pipe, than I did on any other single element of fabrication/installation.....

If you guys weld to a Holset turbine, please pre/post-heat, to normalize. If not you risk failure because of a cracked housing due to lack of normalization and dissimilar thermal expansion.

The HX40 and HX35/HY35 have the same 7mm rotor shaft bore, so swapping things around to build hybrids between the 40 and 35 is very easy. FYI the 8-blade 40 wheel is a 60lb/min wheel, while the "super/pro" wheels (6 and 7 blade) are 69lb/min, upgradable to (WTF!) 74lb/min. Hot sides (HY/HX35-40) are available in 9cm, 12cm, 16cm and Im pretty sure you can get a 40 with a 18cm.

I made a pretty nice chart that breaks down all the available trims and comp dimensions. Ill try and post it up tonight.
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