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Old 12-08-2011, 12:52 PM   #251
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Will ya'll take 1 minute and go to this link to email our local representatives to bring more E85 to town and make sure the current tax credits stay in place for small businesses that bring this to town and that E85 be rated as an Alternative fuel?

http://action.coalitionfore85.org/56...e85/?m=2546279

It really only takes 2 minutes. Thanks for the help!
That's pretty awesome. How many other forums have you posted this on?
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:46 PM   #252
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Clearfield JP"s just tested @ 70% for my fill-up. Sweet
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:16 PM   #253
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Had a nice face to face visit with Omar in Bountiful today. He's looking for another supplier than Christensen Oil so he has competetive pricing options. Keller Strass told him no.

Anybody know anybody else I, he or Derk Deez can talk to to source E??
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:17 PM   #254
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:18 PM   #255
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Had a nice face to face visit with Omar in Bountiful today. He's looking for another supplier than Christensen Oil so he has competetive pricing options. Keller Strass told him no.

Anybody know anybody else I, he or Derk Deez can talk to to source E??

Also told him ya'll would be stopping by to say hello and keep it fresh in his mind that we want E85 in Bountiful.

Please show him the interest. And spread the work to all the other folks you associate with.

Thanks for the help!
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Old 12-08-2011, 06:15 PM   #256
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I would consider contacting Dal Soglio, as they are a local fuel and lubricant distributor: http://www.dalsoglio.com/
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Old 12-08-2011, 06:19 PM   #257
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Had a nice face to face visit with Omar in Bountiful today. He's looking for another supplier than Christensen Oil so he has competetive pricing options. Keller Strass told him no.

Anybody know anybody else I, he or Derk Deez can talk to to source E??

Also told him ya'll would be stopping by to say hello and keep it fresh in his mind that we want E85 in Bountiful.

Please show him the interest. And spread the work to all the other folks you associate with.

Thanks for the help!
I sent a pm to Derk last night, letting him know that I have access to E. It would come in 5-15-55 containers and can be purchased in bulk also. It comes from a performance fuel blender in the south.

It can be here in a few days if you guys are interested.
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Old 12-09-2011, 04:39 PM   #258
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I sent a pm to Derk last night, letting him know that I have access to E. It would come in 5-15-55 containers and can be purchased in bulk also. It comes from a performance fuel blender in the south.

It can be here in a few days if you guys are interested.
Please PM me details, pricing structure, etc. Thank you.
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Old 12-09-2011, 06:51 PM   #259
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pm me details as well. blue junk
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Old 12-09-2011, 06:56 PM   #260
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Has anyone else experienced fuel pump failure recently? My walbro just died on me after only 3 months of use which wouldn't normally raise any red flags except for my buddy who owns a flex fueled gm had 2 fuel pumps go out in the last week. GM tested the mixture and found a fungus. This is what they are saying caused the failure. I just bought a new dw300 pump and I sure dont want to put it in only to kill it. we both fill up in clearfield only

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Old 12-09-2011, 07:26 PM   #261
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Has anyone else experienced fuel pump failure recently? My walbro just died on me after only 3 months of use which wouldn't normally raise any red flags except for my buddy who owns a flex fueled gm had 2 fuel pumps go out in the last week. GM tested the mixture and found a fungus. This is what they are saying caused the failure. I just bought a new dw300 pump and I sure dont want to put it in only to kill it. we both fill up in clearfield only
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Old 12-09-2011, 08:50 PM   #262
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Has anyone else experienced fuel pump failure recently? My walbro just died on me after only 3 months of use which wouldn't normally raise any red flags except for my buddy who owns a flex fueled gm had 2 fuel pumps go out in the last week. GM tested the mixture and found a fungus. This is what they are saying caused the failure. I just bought a new dw300 pump and I sure dont want to put it in only to kill it. we both fill up in clearfield only
I fill up there also with no problems. I have walbro but my car is not a dd.
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Old 12-09-2011, 11:49 PM   #263
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Has anyone else experienced fuel pump failure recently? My walbro just died on me after only 3 months of use which wouldn't normally raise any red flags except for my buddy who owns a flex fueled gm had 2 fuel pumps go out in the last week. GM tested the mixture and found a fungus. This is what they are saying caused the failure. I just bought a new dw300 pump and I sure dont want to put it in only to kill it. we both fill up in clearfield only
Either my stock fuel pump (which is a siphon/feeder pump) or my external Walbro GSL392 255 L/h pump is weak. I've gone over the rest of the fuel system with a fine-toothed comb and it must be one of the fuel pumps. I'm monitoring pressure at WOT this weekend to ensure it's not my injectors. Will report back.

Wow. I wonder if I have a strong case if I find my engine is now in need of a rebuild. When I've tuned I have seen as rich as 10.x AFR, but sporadically AFR's have been into the mid 13's during WOT. And this is with around 500 WHP uncorrected. Leak down test is inconclusive (8%-13% across all cyl's) and 1 cylinder has begun leaving dry carbon deposits on its plug. Ugh. I spent almost two years waiting to piece this car back together; I can't describe how I'll feel if I have to tear this engine down again to replace a set of pistons.
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Old 12-10-2011, 01:09 AM   #264
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Let me know what you find out.I think this is the last straw for me. I will be switching back to 91 Oct and saving up for meth injection. I filled up on monday, did a few pulls with afr's right on Target. Started up my car the next day and heard a terrible whine from the fuel pump. Wot pulls saw afrs up to 14.1 up top.
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Old 12-10-2011, 10:32 AM   #265
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you can run 14.1 up top? that's sounds pretty sketchy even for E. How old is your pump? I haven't seen too many pump fail ever. 1 I say failed from the beginning. Just a bad pump to start with. It might just have been your pumps time.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:12 AM   #266
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The pump was only 3 months old and on my set up it shouldn't be overly stressed either (02 vf48@19psi, 750cc) surprisingly I had no knock correction even at 14.1 afr. I am not trying to freak anyone out or jump to conclusions but after hearing what happened to my buddy with his flex fuel chevy I think it may be more than a coincidence.
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Old 12-10-2011, 11:19 AM   #267
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Jason, have you filled up there recently? perhaps you could test my theory. go fill up and do a bunch of WOT pulls then report back.
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Old 12-10-2011, 03:05 PM   #268
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Let me know what you find out.I think this is the last straw for me. I will be switching back to 91 Oct and saving up for meth injection. I filled up on monday, did a few pulls with afr's right on Target. Started up my car the next day and heard a terrible whine from the fuel pump. Wot pulls saw afrs up to 14.1 up top.
Wow. Too much of a coincidence. I'm definitely going back to 91 once I run out of E85. I hope the pump itself is OK.

You don't think it's possible that they mixed in methanol to correct the E% problem? It has a much higher fueling requirement than even ethanol and would throw off AFR's up to 1 pt or more. I know I'm sounding conspiracy theorist-like at this point, but it wouldn't surprise me given the level of incompetence displayed thus far.

Also, methanol in place of ethanol would still pass a water-based ethanol % test as the anhydrous methanol used as a pure fuel is hygroscopic just like ethanol.

I'm just trying to come up with reasonable explanations here. I've actually seen low 14's (gasoline AFR) up top on this latest batch of fuel, before letting off completely.
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Old 12-10-2011, 03:14 PM   #269
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Sorry to ramble here, but wow, looking back chronologically, my lean-out events at WOT began EXACTLY when I filled up at JP's after the 91 fiasco was rectified. Before that fill up, I had tuned to the E60-ish mix from the Provo Sinclair station, and all was perfect. Actually, rather pig rich up top for E.

This problem has gotten notably worse with the latest fill up from Orem, which is the correct E70-ish mix according to a water-based test.

How exactly are ethanol and gasoline blended together for E85? Is there any way what we're seeing is simply fuel separation due to the weird remixing and adding that Christensen have had to do? I wish I knew more about ethanol blending, but if they just dumped ethanol on top of a large amount of 91 octane in these tanks, would it truly blend? I'm leaning toward "no."

This seems illogical given that the two fuels should be blended by the time they reach the fuel pump inlet, but I can't say for sure. I know E85 is a bitch to store because of how easily the ethanol separates from the gasoline, so maybe it does require a special blending procedure in order to retain its uniformity.

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Old 12-10-2011, 05:14 PM   #270
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ethanol and gasoline are pretty heavily emulsified, so it would be difficult to mix when it was already in the tank. Also, if the fuel is more gasoline then expected, the car would be running really rich, not lean.
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Old 12-10-2011, 05:34 PM   #271
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warmandsci, what's the deal with your afr's? I'm having issues too, that I'm hoping are just due to a boost leak somewhere. Mine exist when I'm letting off the gas abruptly, shifting and anytime I get close to boost.

From what I've heard from Todd, it's more or less them dumping a certain amount of 91 into the pump and then adding a designated amount of E. I couldn't tell you the about the chemistry about it, but I can look into it. I got a chemist at the refinery that loves this stuff. I'll hit him up Monday and see what he says.
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Ask him about this supposed fungus. I am not sure where the gm dealership had the test done but I can find out more details.
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:38 PM   #273
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warmandsci, what's the deal with your afr's? I'm having issues too, that I'm hoping are just due to a boost leak somewhere. Mine exist when I'm letting off the gas abruptly, shifting and anytime I get close to boost.

From what I've heard from Todd, it's more or less them dumping a certain amount of 91 into the pump and then adding a designated amount of E. I couldn't tell you the about the chemistry about it, but I can look into it. I got a chemist at the refinery that loves this stuff. I'll hit him up Monday and see what he says.
I'm currently leaning out above 7000 RPM on my setup. As lean as 13.5-14.1 AFR on this latest fill up on E70 from Orem. Previously, I was seeing low 13's from a tank of approximately E55. It's acting almost as if my inline Walbro 255 is doing nothing and all that's pushing fuel is my stock pump. I was going to install a spare in-cabin pressure gauge I have over the weekend, but my wife is really sick so I'll have to wait a few days to see what's up with it. Judging by the noise my external Wally is making now, it's on its way out. It's harder to tell since it's plumbed in series with my stock pump.

I read in this E85 PDF (really popular document, passed around on the 'web all the time) that this is an acceptable way to mix E85. The small component of gasoline is first added to the tank, and then the larger component of ethanol is poured on top.
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Old 12-11-2011, 07:59 PM   #274
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I actually just read today that "splash mixing" as it's called is a completely inadequate method for blending "E" mixes. If this is what Christensen oil did on these latest tanks, it could very well explain the issues we've been seeing.

Now the question is... is my fuel pump actually bad or is the fuel just not mixed properly?

I'm going back to pump 91 pisstane this week, regardless. Sick of this crap.
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