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Old 11-14-2011, 02:14 PM   #26
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You forgot to add "around cones"
There are some hella fast N/A cars out there... doesn't have to be an evo.

you need to spread your horizon a little.

besides if I need fast, I throw a leg over a bike.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:51 PM   #27
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Personally, I like the car. I like the design, and I like the low center of gravity and the low weight. I've been excited about this project since the beginning. It's shorter, wider, lower and much lighter than a bug-eye, so what's not to like? I've told my girlfriend that I need to get my finances in order ASAP so I can get one when they come out. I would buy one in a heartbeat if I have the funds for an extra new car at that time.

Now that being said, I think it's too bad that it's not AWD. I would park it for the winters. I just prefer to be well equipped for the winter road conditions. Yes, I can drive a RWD vehicle in the snow and on ice, but it's not as stable or consistent as my AWD subarus with winter tires.

Also, I am a big fan or 2-door vehicles. I do not like the 4-door look, and aesthetics aside, the B-pillar hits me in the wrong spot, and there's not enough leg room with the seat all the way back for me to sit comfortably in the drivers seat. I noticed it in my 05 STi and I'm not liking my 91 Legacy for the same reason too. I liked the seating position in my 01 RS coupe, and also my 95 coupe. The longer door (moving the b-pillar back) accommodates my long monkey arms better that the 4-door Imprezas I've driven. And the seat seems to slide back further allowing my legs to extend further too. Which is much more comfortable. I'm hoping the BRZ has this feeling for me too.
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:09 PM   #28
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Purpose is for profit, not catering to Alaskans.

haha nice
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:55 PM   #29
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Wondering what the TRD and STI versions will bring to the table.

That might actually lead to key differences outside of looks if they let both devisions do their own thing. Maybe they will share a couple things like breaks and suspension while going their own route for power.

It is a crap shoot and I am waiting to see what they come up with. Give it a couple years then pick one up is my suggestion though.
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:10 PM   #30
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besides if I need fast, I throw a leg over a bike.
How's that bike doin on the roads these last few days?
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:28 PM   #31
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About as good as the evo you keep in the garage
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Old 11-14-2011, 06:56 PM   #32
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How's that bike doin on the roads these last few days?
OT... But I saw a guy out riding his chopper (yesterday) w/a training wheel running off the right side of his bike. It was totally awesome watching him in the snow!

Now... As you were. I believe you're up Phil.
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:11 PM   #33
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About as good as the evo you keep in the garage
Ah the old garage queen bit.

I'll have you know the Evo was on the road 5 days out of this past week, thank you very much.

Got another zinger that'll fail?
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:33 AM   #34
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haha nice
+1 if you don't like it then don't buy it. They aren't building it for the people of Alaska they are building it to make some $$. I think it's pretty cool if you want something "fast" to drive around in a parking lot and chase traffic cones around in. The projected 0-60 and 1/4 mile make a bit of a slug for anything else.
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:15 AM   #35
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Ah the old garage queen bit.

I'll have you know the Evo was on the road 5 days out of this past week, thank you very much.

Got another zinger that'll fail?
Now your just clearly looking for a fight so I'm out.

nice try
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:10 PM   #36
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It's an interesting approach. For the price tag though I'm curious to see where it goes. I think the price tag is what puts me out. For $25k I lean closer to just investing the extra to get the front wheels to work. At the time, I think it's the look that might be selling it for some. I need to see it in person lol. At least they're trying something new, that's a plus.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:29 PM   #37
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We've only seen drawings or computer generated pictures of the car. Over the next week we shall see the acutal BRZ and BRZ Concept STi =) . Should be a good show in LA.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:54 PM   #38
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I think the images that people have gotten and manipulated from the dark advertisement are the real car.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:54 PM   #39
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Now your just clearly looking for a fight so I'm out.

nice try
Fight? Nah....
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:59 PM   #40
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I think people are manipulated by government mind control like MK Ultra, to buy the car that is going to help pay for their next war.
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Old 11-15-2011, 08:25 PM   #41
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And I like the review of the prototype from earlier this year:

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2013 Scion FR-S First Drive
A Sports Car Worth Waiting For
By Matt Prior, Contributor | Published Nov 15, 2011

Like an impatient child told in February what he's getting for Christmas, our wait for the 2013 Scion FR-S Coupe has seemed an interminable one. First there were clues, then a Toyota concept, then a Scion concept. Then...nothing.

This time, however, we've finally driven it, or at least a prototype of the Scion FR-S. And we're glad to announce that it's very much the car we've been waiting for — figuratively, not just literally.

Clearly, this is a sports car that had its development driven by feel and intuition, not lap times and lateral grip levels. "Sports cars have gotten boring," Toyota officials told us. "They're only interested in going fast." So the FR-S aims to bring speeds down but push enjoyment up. Is that really possible?


Yeah, There's Plenty of Subaru in This Scion
By now you've heard that the 2013 Scion FR-S is built on a rear-wheel-drive platform co-developed with Subaru. It'll be called the Subaru BRZ, and the production version will debut at the Tokyo auto show in just two weeks. We still don't have all the technical details, but we can tell you that it's about as small as a sports car can get while still offering four seats.

For reference, the FT-86 II concept shown at the Geneva auto show earlier this year measured 166.7 inches long, 50 inches high and 70.7 inches wide. It also had a short wheelbase that measured a mere 101.2 inches, or 5 inches shorter than the wheelbase of the Scion tC coupe. The dimensions of this prototype are at least that tight, if not tighter.

Keeping the size down helped control the weight, too. At just 2,822 pounds, the FR-S undercuts the tC by around 300 pounds. Couple that with the 2.0-liter flat-4 engine that produces roughly 197 horsepower and the FR-S looks pretty good on paper. Figure in the six-speed manual transmission and limited-slip differential and the FR-S starts to really look good.

Feels Good, Too
First impressions are that it feels light and compact, not unlike a Mazda MX-5 or the last Toyota MR2. The driving position is low, straight and snug. The front seats are grippy, the rear seats tiny. Think of it as a poor man's Porsche 911 and it feels just fine.

You'll have a harder time channeling those thoughts when it comes to the car's powertrain. The 2013 Scion FR-S is no stoplight hero. It's not slow either, though, so ripping through the precise six-speed shifter feels satisfying. There's a broad power curve and the engine revs clear up to 7,500 rpm, but like a typical Subaru boxer engine, there's no desperate need to wind it that far.

You'll be glad to know that the stability control system can be switched completely off. That means the FR-S has burnout potential even if it's a little low on displacement. We were glad to get some seat time, so we didn't bother roasting the rubber this time out.

A Scion That Slides
It's hard to accurately gauge the ride on the concrete airfield where we drove the prototype, but the FR-S feels quite deftly set up and light on its feet. It steers easily, too. At 2.5 turns lock to lock, it has a quick but not hyperactive rack, and is light to average in terms of its assist. It all adds to the impression of a car that's easy to get along with right from the start.

Hit a corner and you'll find some roll, but the rate is well contained. The 2013 Scion FR-S's weight distribution is 53/47 percent front/rear, so it'll nudge into steady-state understeer if you're on a constant throttle, where it grips moderately well and is poised.

Push any harder and the FR-S starts to get really fun. Add any amount of power and it'll turn at least neutral. Trail the brakes into a bend, lift midcorner and it'll give you armfuls of oversteer. For that alone, the FR-S is better than any Scion coupe before it.


There's still a bit of tweaking to do on the damping, but it's 90 percent of the way there, at least according to our limited time behind the wheel. The gearing isn't always perfect either, at least if you want to pitch it into a long turn and hold a slide. Third gear just doesn't have the guts, so serious momentum is the only way to keep playing games with the chassis.

More Power?
Of course more power would be nice. But more power means a turbo, stronger brakes and maybe even bigger wheels and tires to go with them. All that adds weight, and that's where the downward spiral starts, right?

That's Toyota's thinking, at least for now. We can't argue with that reasoning either. More stuff equals more cost, too, and the 2013 Scion FR-S is supposed to be an affordable rear-drive sports car for the masses.

As it is now, that's exactly what it is, and a good one at that. There's no doubt a hotter, 200-plus-horse FR-S will arrive eventually, but until then this first attempt feels as it should. The handling is well sorted, the engine has usable power and you can even turn off the nannies to have some real fun. This might have been worth waiting for after all.
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:10 PM   #42
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:28 PM   #43
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I want that car!!!!
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:42 PM   #44
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Dat ass.
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:46 PM   #45
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a return to lightness. makes me happy.

There aint much room in those wheel wells for the 285's i had planned though.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:02 PM   #46
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Awesome. Basically like what happened to the RX-8.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:12 PM   #47
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:34 PM   #48
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if it turns out anything close to that i may have to buy one
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:58 PM   #49
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Awesome. Basically like what happened to the RX-8.
What's Mitsubishi been up to lately?
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Old 11-16-2011, 07:07 PM   #50
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What's Mitsubishi been up to lately?
Some exciting stuff!

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/busin...bu095000c.html

Cheap, compact cars.
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